""So far four Arab airlines have purchased the new aircraft and we are in discussions with Saudi Arabian Airlines," Boeing Saudi Arabia President Ahmed Jazzar said in a press conference. The four Arab airlines were named as Qatar Airways, Emirates, Etihad, and Royal Jordanian."
Actually, I'd guess quite a few. They have 9 A300s (8 of them from the 80s) and 23 pax 747s (19 of them from the 80s). The A300s could be replaced by 783s, and the 747s by whatever they feel fit, as they really don't need a plane of that size until the pilgrimage, and they usually lease planes anyways. Not to mention their 22 777s, all of them the -200 non ER versions, would be nearing the age of replacement by 2020, and I'm guessing Saudi would like to get rid of those 97 versions especially.
I'll guess around 15 to start, with around 10-15 options.
*note, fleet numbers by airfleets.net, so they could be off
piercey in CLE
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XT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3150 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4472 times:
Quoting Piercey (Reply 1): Actually, I'd guess quite a few. They have 9 A300s (8 of them from the 80s) and 23 pax 747s (19 of them from the 80s). The A300s could be replaced by 783s, and the 747s by whatever they feel fit, as they really don't need a plane of that size until the pilgrimage, and they usually lease planes anyways. Not to mention their 22 777s, all of them the -
Lets call it 31 frames that are "787" class, plus likely a few frames for growth. How does 20 firm, 20 options, 20 purchace rights sound? Just a WAG though.
Azhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4371 times:
Quoting Azhobo (Thread starter): The four Arab airlines were named as Qatar Airways, Emirates, Etihad, and Royal Jordanian.
And how come the Qatar order remains UFO? Seems that Boeing and QR have unofficially confirmed this to the media. What reason could Qatar have for wanting this to remain unofficial. Are they looking to back out since they now have the large A350 on order?
My guess is they really want/need the 787. Mostly as insurance against A350 delays. Will also force EK to do the same if they go with a large A350 order later this year. Even if they dont need them, I am sure they can get a good price to those wanting those slotted aircraft. Will be interesting to see when the QR planes start delivery.
Piercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4371 times:
Quoting Iwok (Reply 4): I'd say this article is bogus.
Well, not entirely. There are four middle eastern customers (El Al and Kuwait, along with Jordanian and Qatar), and SV has been rumored for a while to be looking at these planes, so if anything, the article is just strengthening the rumor.
piercey in CLE
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Azhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4359 times:
Quoting Piercey (Reply 7): El Al and Kuwait, along with Jordanian and Qatar
El Al would be out of context of being an arab carrier, and Kuwait is leasing theres from what I remember. So are there two other UFOs we do not know about?
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11429 posts, RR: 50 Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4320 times:
Quoting Azhobo (Reply 8): Could make for interesting speculation on Anet.
It seems very odd that a senior Boeing official would say that EK and EY have both ordered the 787.
The only UFO 787 orders shown by Boeing are for 2, 2, 8, 30 = QR, and 6. None of those look like EK-type numbers, but I guess the 8 could conceivably be for EY.
Azhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4310 times:
A little about the boeing exec.
"Ahmad Jazzar was named president of Boeing-Saudi Arabia in September 2005. He is responsible for coordinating all company business activities in Saudi Arabia and is based in Riyadh.
Jazzar joins Boeing with 30-years experience in the commercial aviation industry. He retired from Saudi Arabian Airlines in 2004 as vice president of the Technical Services Division. In this position, Jazzar oversaw the engineering, planning and maintenance operations of the commercial and royal fleet of Saudi Arabian Airlines, which consisted of more than 100 airplanes, and managed a labor force of more than 5,800 employees.
Jazzar started at Saudi Arabian Airlines in 1974 as a certified mechanic in the radio shop. Throughout his career he held a variety of positions ranging from senior and master avionics engineer, general manager of the Royal Aircraft Engineering and Maintenance Division, and assistant vice president in the Technical Services Division.
Since 2001, Jazzar has been a member of the board of directors of the Saudi Aviation Club in Riyadh. He served on the board of directors in the Al-Salam Co., on the operations committee of the International Air Transportation Association (IATA) and on the member advisory committee of the College of Engineering, King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah until his retirement from the airline in 2004.
Jazzar was born on February 23, 1955. He graduated with a bachelor’s degree in electrical engineering from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1980. In 1995, he completed the Columbia Senior Executive Program at the Columbia University graduate school of business in New York. "
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6744 posts, RR: 65 Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4296 times:
Quoting Piercey (Reply 7): There are four middle eastern customers (El Al and Kuwait, along with Jordanian and Qatar)
But the source said: "four Arab airlines have purchased the new aircraft". "Purchased" excludes leases and therefore Kuwait.
Moreover, El Al have certainly not purchased the 787 (yet) but Arkia have. (Though neither could remotely be called an Arab airline.)
My guess is that this is either bad reporting, a bad translation, or a clumsy mistake by Mr. Jazzar. And why not? Airbus put a video on their website of EK and EY as A350 customers (oops!) so why shouldn't Boeing claim them too?!
Have EY and EK already bought 787s? I strongly doubt it. Will they? I shouldn't be at all surprised.
Aminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 4050 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9): The only UFO 787 orders shown by Boeing are for 2, 2, 8, 30 = QR, and 6. None of those look like EK-type numbers, but I guess the 8 could conceivably be for EY.
Possibly the 10 frames bought by ALAFCO were leased to EY ?? The figure sems to low for EK !!
The article is clearly confusing, most probably because the lack of understanding by the reporter. It should not be bogus, as, contrary to several other such articles, it refers to a named source
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6112 posts, RR: 56 Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3889 times:
All of SV's 777s are -200/ER. They do not need to be replaced anytime soon. 787s could replace the A300s.
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Racercoup From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3680 times:
Quoting Azhobo (Reply 19): The qantas news today. SOunds like a rehash.
How is this a rehash. The article clearly states the new order brings the Quantas group total to 65 total "firm" aircraft. The Boeing site shows a previous total of 45.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 43 Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3633 times:
Quoting Azhobo (Thread starter): The four Arab airlines were named as Qatar Airways, Emirates, Etihad, and Royal Jordanian."
When did EY and EK place an order for the B 787s???
I've said it on A.Net before too...the B 788 is the ideal aircraft to be used on SV's EU routes as they see low load factors year round (except during Hajj season) and they've publicly admitted many times over that the B 772ER is way too big for them on the FRA/CDG/VIE/GVA routes.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11737 posts, RR: 51 Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3501 times:
Quoting Azhobo (Reply 20): An old saudi article, which identifies 60 widebodies...
This would still be a big deal for Airbus or Boeing. Perhaps from Airbus an order for 20 A-330-300s, 20 A-350XWB-800s, and 20 A-380-800s? From Boeing could the order be 35 B-787-800/-900s and 25 B-747-800Is?
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