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Saudi Arabian Airlines Eyes Boeing Dreamliner  
User currently offlineAzhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 5627 times:

http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZA...3032408/secIndustries/pagTransport

Seems a little lacking in real facts.

Particularly this statement...

""So far four Arab airlines have purchased the new aircraft and we are in discussions with Saudi Arabian Airlines," Boeing Saudi Arabia President Ahmed Jazzar said in a press conference. The four Arab airlines were named as Qatar Airways, Emirates, Etihad, and Royal Jordanian."


How many 787s would this airline consider?

HOBO

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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 5576 times:

Quoting Azhobo (Thread starter):
How many 787s would this airline consider?

Actually, I'd guess quite a few. They have 9 A300s (8 of them from the 80s) and 23 pax 747s (19 of them from the 80s). The A300s could be replaced by 783s, and the 747s by whatever they feel fit, as they really don't need a plane of that size until the pilgrimage, and they usually lease planes anyways. Not to mention their 22 777s, all of them the -200 non ER versions, would be nearing the age of replacement by 2020, and I'm guessing Saudi would like to get rid of those 97 versions especially.

I'll guess around 15 to start, with around 10-15 options.

*note, fleet numbers by airfleets.net, so they could be off

piercey in CLE  Sad



Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3393 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 1):
Actually, I'd guess quite a few. They have 9 A300s (8 of them from the 80s) and 23 pax 747s (19 of them from the 80s). The A300s could be replaced by 783s, and the 747s by whatever they feel fit, as they really don't need a plane of that size until the pilgrimage, and they usually lease planes anyways. Not to mention their 22 777s, all of them the -

Lets call it 31 frames that are "787" class, plus likely a few frames for growth. How does 20 firm, 20 options, 20 purchace rights sound? Just a WAG though.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

Quoting Azhobo (Thread starter):
So far four Arab airlines have purchased the new aircraft



Quoting Azhobo (Thread starter):
The four Arab airlines were named as Qatar Airways, Emirates, Etihad, and Royal Jordanian.

What?!

That's either not true or a major news story. Emirates and Etihad have purchased the 787?!  no 


User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5500 times:

Quoting Azhobo (Thread starter):
The four Arab airlines were named as Qatar Airways, Emirates, Etihad, and Royal Jordanian.



Quoting PM (Reply 3):
That's either not true or a major news story. Emirates and Etihad have purchased the 787?!

I'm glad someone else saw that. Unless there are some EK UFOs that we don't know about, I'd say this article is bogus.

iwok


User currently offlineAzhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

Quoting Azhobo (Thread starter):
four Arab airlines were named as Qatar Airways, Emirates, Etihad, and Royal Jordanian

And I guess Kuwait does not count since they are lease aircraft.

Here is another article

http://www.ameinfo.com/127234.html

HOBO


User currently offlineAzhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5437 times:

Quoting Azhobo (Thread starter):
The four Arab airlines were named as Qatar Airways, Emirates, Etihad, and Royal Jordanian.

And how come the Qatar order remains UFO? Seems that Boeing and QR have unofficially confirmed this to the media. What reason could Qatar have for wanting this to remain unofficial. Are they looking to back out since they now have the large A350 on order?

My guess is they really want/need the 787. Mostly as insurance against A350 delays. Will also force EK to do the same if they go with a large A350 order later this year. Even if they dont need them, I am sure they can get a good price to those wanting those slotted aircraft. Will be interesting to see when the QR planes start delivery.

HOBO


User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5437 times:

Quoting Iwok (Reply 4):
I'd say this article is bogus.

Well, not entirely. There are four middle eastern customers (El Al and Kuwait, along with Jordanian and Qatar), and SV has been rumored for a while to be looking at these planes, so if anything, the article is just strengthening the rumor.

piercey in CLE  Sad



Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineAzhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 7):
El Al and Kuwait, along with Jordanian and Qatar

El Al would be out of context of being an arab carrier, and Kuwait is leasing theres from what I remember. So are there two other UFOs we do not know about?

Could make for interesting speculation on Anet.

Or not.

HOBO


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12464 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5386 times:
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Quoting Azhobo (Reply 8):
Could make for interesting speculation on Anet.

It seems very odd that a senior Boeing official would say that EK and EY have both ordered the 787.  Wow!

The only UFO 787 orders shown by Boeing are for 2, 2, 8, 30 = QR, and 6. None of those look like EK-type numbers, but I guess the 8 could conceivably be for EY.



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User currently offlineAzhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

A little about the boeing exec.

"Ahmad Jazzar was named president of Boeing-Saudi Arabia in September 2005. He is responsible for coordinating all company business activities in Saudi Arabia and is based in Riyadh.

Jazzar joins Boeing with 30-years experience in the commercial aviation industry. He retired from Saudi Arabian Airlines in 2004 as vice president of the Technical Services Division. In this position, Jazzar oversaw the engineering, planning and maintenance operations of the commercial and royal fleet of Saudi Arabian Airlines, which consisted of more than 100 airplanes, and managed a labor force of more than 5,800 employees.

Jazzar started at Saudi Arabian Airlines in 1974 as a certified mechanic in the radio shop. Throughout his career he held a variety of positions ranging from senior and master avionics engineer, general manager of the Royal Aircraft Engineering and Maintenance Division, and assistant vice president in the Technical Services Division.

Since 2001, Jazzar has been a member of the board of directors of the Saudi Aviation Club in Riyadh. He served on the board of directors in the Al-Salam Co., on the operations committee of the International Air Transportation Association (IATA) and on the member advisory committee of the College of Engineering, King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah until his retirement from the airline in 2004.

Jazzar was born on February 23, 1955. He graduated with a bachelor’s degree in electrical engineering from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1980. In 1995, he completed the Columbia Senior Executive Program at the Columbia University graduate school of business in New York. "

http://en.boeing-me.com/Redirect.do?Keyword=Key_Exec_Appts


User currently offlineAzhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

WIll also be interesting to see EK/Etihad response to the article. Especially since they made Airbus pull them off their website as an A350 customer.

HOBO


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5362 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 7):
There are four middle eastern customers (El Al and Kuwait, along with Jordanian and Qatar)

But the source said: "four Arab airlines have purchased the new aircraft". "Purchased" excludes leases and therefore Kuwait.

Moreover, El Al have certainly not purchased the 787 (yet) but Arkia have. (Though neither could remotely be called an Arab airline.)

My guess is that this is either bad reporting, a bad translation, or a clumsy mistake by Mr. Jazzar. And why not? Airbus put a video on their website of EK and EY as A350 customers (oops!) so why shouldn't Boeing claim them too?!  Wink

Have EY and EK already bought 787s? I strongly doubt it. Will they? I shouldn't be at all surprised.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12464 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5194 times:
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Quoting Azhobo (Reply 11):
Especially since they made Airbus pull them off their website as an A350 customer.

I'm not aware that EK or EY made any public comments regarding Airbus's A350 video. Do you have anything to support this claim?



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User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
The only UFO 787 orders shown by Boeing are for 2, 2, 8, 30 = QR, and 6. None of those look like EK-type numbers, but I guess the 8 could conceivably be for EY.

Possibly the 10 frames bought by ALAFCO were leased to EY ?? The figure sems to low for EK !!

The article is clearly confusing, most probably because the lack of understanding by the reporter. It should not be bogus, as, contrary to several other such articles, it refers to a named source

Aminobwana


User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6547 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

All of SV's 777s are -200/ER. They do not need to be replaced anytime soon. 787s could replace the A300s.

The777Man



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User currently offlineRacercoup From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Also in the news today:

Quantas is buying 20 more and Aeroflot 22......WOW what and order book for this aircraft!!


User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

Is this the same as announced time ago or something new ?? Where you saw it ??

regards

aminobwana


User currently offlineAzhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

link to aeroflot order.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070723/69478803.html


User currently offlineAzhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4815 times:

The qantas news today. SOunds like a rehash.

http://www.traveldailynews.com/new.asp?newid=38621&subcategory_id=53

HOBO


User currently offlineAzhobo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

An old saudi article, which identifies 60 widebodies...

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/St...68&tid=971&mid=971&tof=4&frt=2#971

HOBO


User currently offlineRacercoup From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Quoting Azhobo (Reply 19):
The qantas news today. SOunds like a rehash.

How is this a rehash. The article clearly states the new order brings the Quantas group total to 65 total "firm" aircraft. The Boeing site shows a previous total of 45.

This is clearly an additional 20 air frames.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

Quoting Azhobo (Thread starter):
The four Arab airlines were named as Qatar Airways, Emirates, Etihad, and Royal Jordanian."

When did EY and EK place an order for the B 787s???

I've said it on A.Net before too...the B 788 is the ideal aircraft to be used on SV's EU routes as they see low load factors year round (except during Hajj season) and they've publicly admitted many times over that the B 772ER is way too big for them on the FRA/CDG/VIE/GVA routes.


User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

Thanks, Hobo !!

Quoting Azhobo (Reply 19):
The qantas news today. SOunds like a rehash

This agency withit blushing reports news from July 8 in Everett !

Quoting Azhobo (Reply 18):
link to aeroflot order.

This refer to the same as stated in the Thread starter.
They mention only 2 A350 !! But in the other language version it is correct: 22

By the way, the quality and language of Novosti has liitle changed since Soviet times !!
See :most read articles: top left !!

Quoting Racercoup (Reply 21):
This is clearly an additional 20 air frames

Correct, but this was already publicly announced July 8 in Seattle !!

aminobwana


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

Quoting Azhobo (Reply 20):
An old saudi article, which identifies 60 widebodies...

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/St...2#971

This would still be a big deal for Airbus or Boeing. Perhaps from Airbus an order for 20 A-330-300s, 20 A-350XWB-800s, and 20 A-380-800s? From Boeing could the order be 35 B-787-800/-900s and 25 B-747-800Is?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

How about someone starting a Middle East Aviation Thread, previous attempts at doinf separate country threads didnt work out, this just might.

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