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Are Airbus Jets Easier For Airlines?  
User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 0
Posted (15 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Hello Everyone. Last night I was on a flight from LAX-ORD on one of United's nice new Airbus 319s (arrived in March this year). After finally getting on the a/c we still had to wait at the gate for another 1/2 hour before we could get in line to take off. With the combination of wind problems @ O'Hare (30-40 mph) and the thick fog at LAX, the weather was not in our favor. The nice thing was that I was able to go into the cockpit and I talked with the 2 A-319 pilots while we were sitting at the gate. I asked them if they prefered to fly Airbus or Boeing aircraft. They both agreed that the "joy-stick" was easier to use than the steering wheel on Boeings. (BTW one of them was a former 733 pilot). They also said that it was easier for the airlines to opperate Airbuses because they hardly need to retrain pilots to fly different versions. For example, the other (non former 737 pilot) originally started flying 320s. It took under half a work day to be trained in the 319 because it is an almost identical flight deck. He said that it was just as easy to train to fly another Airbus flight deck (ie 330/340) since it is basiclly the same flight deck. So why aren't more airlines going towards more all Airbus fleets? They said it can take weeks for a pilot to learn to fly between a 737 and a 757/767. Do airlines like Lufthansa, Iberia, Swissair, Air France, TAP etc. that fly both 32Xs and 330/340s allow the pilots to one day fly a 319 and the next a 340. If there are any pilots that fly for airlines with fleets like this could they please comment.

I asked them whether or not United will end up getting the A380 and they said that "When the sales agent calls up United and asks them if they want it they'll say, 'No, we don't want any, but we'll take 25'" Do you think that United will take the Super Jumbo just to stay flying the biggest jet and be able to continue their reputation as the biggest airline in the world? That's what they seemed to think. Anyways sorry to make this so long. I look forward to reading responses to this...

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User currently offlineTygue From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (15 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2193 times:


Flight deck commonality is a GREAT advantage to airbus aircraft. Airlines that operate the 319/320/321/330/340 can cut out of a lot of retraining items when pilots are making the switch from an A320 to, say, and A340. A great number of airlines are doing something called mixed fleet flying, where pilots are actually active on two different types of aircraft at the same time (usually A320/A330).

It's a great little perk..

User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined exactly 16 years ago today! , 3142 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (15 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

I spoke with some UA Airbus pilots in August, and they said that boeings are nicer to fly.

User currently offlineTygue From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Bitter Airbus pilots? *LOL*
Of course... everyone will have their preferences. I'm sure there are airbus pilots out there who'd rather be flying that old DC-3 they were on way back in the day! (actually... I'm related to one!)

Besides... the topic was "what airbus jets are easier for airlines"... so let's not shape this into a war.

User currently offlineAp305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (15 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Most airline pilots that have flown both airbus and boeing aircraft tend to rate both of them very highly and at the same more than happily point out their shortcomings as well.The cockpit simalirity issue is rather complex and cannot be analaysed simply through aircraft to aircarft transition time.However most of the airline people i have spoken to say that the advantage is with airbus in this area.


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (15 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

At least the Cross Crew Qualification offered by Airbus aircraft saves a lot of money. Swissair for exmple is said, that they will have a yearly cost reduction of about CH 50mio per year, when their pilots are trained to fly A320 and A330.

The operational advantages are for example less reserve crews, less trainings, and so on.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30410 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (15 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

I think Tygue has the right idea. A DC-3 cockpit is superior in design and function to anything coming out of Everett, Toulouse, Long Beach, or Hamburg.

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