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GOL Is First To Downsize At CGH  
User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Posted (7 years 2 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

As it seems, GOL is the first airline to officially transfer operations from CGH to GRU. All transfers from all airlines until this point were improvised.

Suspended flights:

eff. 30/07/2007 U.F.N
G3 1206 / G3 1207

eff. 06/08/2007 – U.F.N
G3 1511 / G3 1514 / G3 1519 / G3 1522 / G3 1527 /G3 1532 /G3 1540/G3 1543 /G3 1302/ G3 1303

Flights tranferred from CGH to GRU:

eff 30/07/2007 – U.F.N
G3 1342 /1234567/ GRU 0810 / CXJ 0940 / 73G
G3 1343 /1234567/ CXJ 1000 / GRU 1130/ 73G
G3 1327 /1234567/ REC 0300/ GRU 0615/ 738
G3 1944 /1234567/ GRU 0630/ VIX 0800 / 733
G3 1945 /1234567/ VIX 0910 / GRU 1040/ 733
G3 1352 /1234657/ GRU 1200 / GYN 1335 / 733
G3 1355/ 1234567/ GYN 1400 / GRU 1530 / 733
G3 1969/ 12345-7/ GRU 1600 / GIG 1705 / 733
G3 1260/ 1234567/ GRU 0720/ CNF 0830-0900/ SSA 1030-1055/ REC 1205-1230 / FOR 1340 / 738
G3 1243/ 1234567/ POA 0835 / GRU 1005 / 733
G3 1310/ 12345-7/ GRU 1150 / UDI 1300 / 733
G3 1313/ 12345-7/ UDI 1325 / GRU 1435/ 733
G3 1244/ 1234657/ GRU 1515/ POA 1645 / 733
G3 1273/ 1234657/ FOR 1505/ REC 1610-1635/ SSA 1755-1825/CNF 2005-2030 / GRU 2150 / 738
G3 1323 / 12345-7/ RAO 2110 / GRU 2205 / 733
G3 1372 / 1234567/ GRU 2240/ CGB 2340/ 733

eff 31/07/2007 – U.F.N
G3 1326 /1234567/ GRU 2240 / REC 0140 / 73G
G3 1371 / 1234567/ CGB 0305/GRU 0605 / 733

Frequency adjustment:

eff. 11/08/2007 – U.F.N
G3 1537 / 12345-7 / SDU 1840 /CGH 1940 / 73G

Network adjustment:

eff. 30/07/2007 – U.F.N
G3 1825 / 1234567/ 738 / GIG 2105 / FOR 0015-0040/ THE 0140
G3 1870 / 1234567/ 733 / GRU 2100 / FOR 0015-0045/ JDO 0150

eff 31/07/2007 – U.F.N
G3 1817 / 1234567 / 73G / SSA 0100 / GRU 0330
*G3 1997 / 12345-7 / 73G / GIG 2030 / BEL 0000
G3 1824/ 1234567/ 738 / THE 0435/ FOR 0535-0605 / GIG 0930
G3 1871/ 1234657/ 733 / JDO 0435/ FOR 0535-0630 / GRU 0950

All dates in dd/mm/yyyy format.

Source: Contato Radar

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 hour ago) and read 2908 times:
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Nice to see some plane upgrades on other airports as they need the 73G fleet to run CGH flights.
Gol also reduced it's GIG-GRU-LIM service from daily to 6x weekly.

TAM should announce it's changes also later tomorrow.

Felipe



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5213 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years ago) and read 2877 times:

Sorry if i have missed something, but shortly, can someone give some feedback of this sudden movements? Is CGH closing?

g77



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years ago) and read 2854 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 2):
Is CGH closing?

I heard they were trying to clear congestion at CGH.



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User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (7 years ago) and read 2844 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 2):
Sorry if i have missed something, but shortly, can someone give some feedback of this sudden movements? Is CGH closing?

I'm sorry, if I wasn't clear enough, but what I meant was that some flights are being transferred, but not all of them. Above you see which ones get transferred.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4000 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 3):
I heard they were trying to clear congestion at CGH.

Airlines may also be anticipating public reaction to the TAM accident. A considerable percentage of passengers may reject the CGH product in the aftermath of the accident, especially in times of bad weather.


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 5):
Airlines may also be anticipating public reaction to the TAM accident. A considerable percentage of passengers may reject the CGH product in the aftermath of the accident, especially in times of bad weather.

Anticipating? Passengers have even come to the point of making scenes at the airports, because the airlines wouldn't rebook them on other flights. Where have you been the past week?

Photo of CGH today:

Credit: Luiz Escada
Source: Contato Radar


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2653 times:
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Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 2):
Sorry if i have missed something, but shortly, can someone give some feedback of this sudden movements? Is CGH closing?

Ghost, today three different times, and JJ/G3 pilots has been instructed to not land there in case of rain.


Felipe



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5213 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Thanks all for your feedback! So its all about clearing congestion at CGH, avoiding landings during wet weather conditions and more... as long as safety records keep clean, good for G3 and JJ!!!

g77



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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

All this sudden change of operations and sort of migration from CGH to GRU !!!

How is this going to affect Guarulhos and all the international ops there ? I mean, will slots allocated to international carriers are to be adjusted ? Furthermore, how crowded will GRU get and how authorities are to cope with this, both on the ground and in the air ?

Best regards



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7551 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

On another thread - GRU is a mess today with multi-hour waits at security, changing flight information, people sleeping on the floors with length delays.

The ATC part will be easiest to maintain / fix.

But the ground part is a big mess.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 6):
Anticipating? Passengers have even come to the point of making scenes at the airports, because the airlines wouldn't rebook them on other flights. Where have you been the past week?

Photo of CGH today:

Is this photo taken from the crash site???!!

Seriously, how far down the road is the crash site from this photo? And what is the current status of the site - have the pulled down the TAM building yet or are investigators still inside the remains? Has the aircraft wreckage been removed yet?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2387 times:
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Quoting XA744 (Reply 9):
How is this going to affect Guarulhos and all the international ops there ? I mean, will slots allocated to international carriers are to be adjusted ? Furthermore, how crowded will GRU get and how authorities are to cope with this, both on the ground and in the air ?

Guarulhos will become a nightmare for travellers. And without Vip line for C/F, even a Top costumer need to be ready for long lines on Security, long delays on domestic flights on remote positions (because of the lack of equipment), delays on baggage claims.

Also for push-back, taxi and take-off, during peak hours (late afternoon and night), expect some delays as GRU, despite keep 2 runways (9/27L and R) they are closer than 760m and because of that can't run simultaneous operations.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2337 times:
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Quoting Richierich (Reply 11):
Is this photo taken from the crash site???!!

No Richierich, was taken from Ocean Air building, 6th floor by Mr. Luiz Escada.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 11):
Seriously, how far down the road is the crash site from this photo?

Not sure, but seems to be 200 meters.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 11):
Has the aircraft wreckage been removed yet?

Some, but i'm not sure on this reply. I know they are taking parts to another hangar inside CGH.


Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineCmtehori From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
despite keep 2 runways (9/27L and R) they are closer than 760m and because of that can't run simultaneous operations.

BTW, can anybody explain why the airport was originally built like that? I know the air base has always been there, and there was only one rwy (09/27 - maybe 08/26 at the time) which later became 09R/27L if I´m not mistaken. Why building the other one so close together? Is there a good reason why? I don´t remember to ever have heard/read about it. It seems like one of those things nobody can explain!!



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 1993 times:
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Quoting Cmtehori (Reply 14):
BTW, can anybody explain why the airport was originally built like that?

Cmte Hori, several people in Brazil, specially Infraero, believe they can build a model of "perfect airport"

I never saw this on A.Net but i just comment on other thread:

We create four divisions in an airport (Domestic / International - Boarding and Bag Claim/Disembark) .

Because we do not screen pax on some airports, as we are smart, we put additional screenings at CGH, GRU and GIG and force even who has been screened to do it again. And sometimes those X-Rays become available... while long lines are formed for the others.

GRU land space is not the best one and in fact is a bad project as they could just build the terminals 100m behind allowing the 2 runways to become operational all times and even on same time.

Felipe



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