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JetBlue Announces FLL-Ponce!  
User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3019 posts, RR: 14
Posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix....-newsArticle&ID=1029911&highlight=

Was definitely not expecting this. Is this the only Ponce service from SoFl?

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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17828 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

It looks like utilization flying but there is no other service (cue NK adding PSE in 3....2....1...t) between South Florida and PSE.


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User currently offlineGregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

That's a dang early departure...

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

No huge surprise here, outside of possibly the timing, as I would have expected some other new routes first. The bigger surprise was that Aguadilla and San Juan have not been announced yet, but I guess they are holding off on that with NK and AA in those markets.

Once again, more FLL expansion from Barger. Neeleman was very stubborn about expanding at FLL because he did not get along at all with FLL officials. Barger is very adament about expanding FLL heavily, and I predict FLL will probably be up to two dozen non-stop destinations within eighteen months pending gatespace. Neeleman's problem was that he wasn't very flexible about where that gate space was. jetBlue is now taking more gate space in T1's B gates.

This flight in particular is just a good example of using an A320 that would otherwise be parked overnight at FLL. The times have prooved popular for Orlando and New York City, and will do just fine here. In addition, it should be noted that not only will FLL-PSE operate year-round, but that Orlando-Ponce will operate year-round as well, not ending in September like planned.

I still am baffled as to why AA ignores Ponce and Aguadilla.

[Edited 2007-07-24 19:13:41]


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User currently offlineSacamojus From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

B6 isn't able to supply passengers with their live tv product on this route? If it isn't what other types of IFE do they offer? And finally why Ponce?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

Quoting Sacamojus (Reply 4):
If it isn't what other types of IFE do they offer?

Fox InFlight service is free on all flights to Bermuda, the Dominican Republic, and Puerto Rico.

Quoting Sacamojus (Reply 4):
And finally why Ponce?

It is not served non-stop from South Florida, whereareas there are more than a dozen daily flights to San Juan and two daily flights to Aguadilla.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17828 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
I still am baffled as to why AA ignores Ponce and Aguadilla.

I've wondered the same, but now that B6 and NK are in the respective markets, they have a pretty good reason not to jump in now.



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User currently offlineAnetter123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

Strange they would start PSE before SJU or BQN, but I guess it compliments access to PR a lot more now that the other 2 airports are already covered by AA and NK.

User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3019 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

With this flight included, B6 flights on the ground will be as follows:

3:25am-4:35am
3:38am-5:30am
2:05am-3:00am

Talk about excellent use of ground crew, not to mention aircraft utilization! The flight is timed to depart right in between the JFK and MCO departures - a time that a full ground crew would have been available anyway. Very smart move, IMO.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
I've wondered the same, but now that B6 and NK are in the respective markets, they have a pretty good reason not to jump in now.

Though Spirit and jetBlue are not flying to Miami, offering a large O&D market and a significant amount of connections throughout the US, to boot. Despite B6 and NK's pressence in BQN and PSE, tickets still aren't cheap.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17828 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Though Spirit and jetBlue are not flying to Miami, offering a large O&D market and a significant amount of connections throughout the US, to boot.

True, but Puerto Rico flights are famously local, and given the general plague effect that NK and B6 have on fares, AA couldn't possibly sustain the route on connections.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):

True, but Puerto Rico flights are famously local, and given the general plague effect that NK and B6 have on fares, AA couldn't possibly sustain the route on connections.

No, they couldn't, but given that they aren't competing for many of the connections, that passengers do pay a premium to travel to Miami, and that jetBlue and Spirit still don't offer super cheap fares to BQN and PSE, I think AA could profitably fill a daily 738 on MIA-BQN and MIA-PSE. Continental competes effectively to New York City, and AA, IMO, can compete effectively to Florida.

AA no dbout has bigger fish to fry right now than PSE and BQN, though I believe they will return to at least Aguadilla by 2010.

[Edited 2007-07-24 20:09:20]


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User currently offlineNa747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

I'm glad to hear B^ doing FLL-PSE. The service was needed. Pretty sure it'll be mostly VFR traffic. But at least the PSE serves all of southeastern/southern/southwest and even western Puerto Rico, and BQN serves the western/northwestern/and north central part of the island. There is alot of traffic that was being previuosly ignored.
I, too, wondered why AA didn't bother serving PSE or BQN or both knowing that CO and B6 have been there a while now and look like they are there to stay...no to mention NK's new svc to BQN.


User currently onlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1665 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Are we expecting to hear any new city announcements this year? Looking at the RouteMap, I would think FNT would be a good idea for like 3x to JFK and maybe one to FLL?

Just a thought



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3019 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

No new cities planned this year, straight from Barger.

On the note of Puerto Rico-Florida service, does anyone think that PR-TPA flights would work out well for B6?

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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3928 times:

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 2):
That's a dang early departure...

Yeah seriously... Anyone know why they would leave at 4:30am to get in at 6:20am?


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3019 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 15):
Yeah seriously... Anyone know why they would leave at 4:30am to get in at 6:20am?

1.) Aircraft utilization - it's back at MCO on time for a morning departure to the Northeast.
2.) Culture - those who travel outside of the US tend to be more accustomed to extreme early morning departures such as this one; in fact, most prefer it.

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User currently offlineMtb555 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 13):
Are we expecting to hear any new city announcements this year? Looking at the RouteMap, I would think FNT would be a good idea for like 3x to JFK and maybe one to FLL?

i think they should hold off on anything to/from JFK until T5 opens. the place is already handling too much traffic for its facilities (even with the trailer park), and delays are constant in the late afternoon hours as it is alongside other airline congestion. the terminal is already running at what it could handle and then some (although there is a lull between 1100-1230 where there's only 2 departures (BUR and LGB, an opportune time to add a few flights there). not a bad idea, but maybe in next year when there's more gate space.


User currently onlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1665 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Quoting Mtb555 (Reply 17):
i think they should hold off on anything to/from JFK until T5 opens

Good point, I am surprised Barger hasn't pushed for service to Michigan. He is from Michigan and has family here to.



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User currently offlineDL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 18):
I am surprised Barger hasn't pushed for service to Michigan. He is from Michigan and has family here to.

well, I think Barger understands that B6 needs to connect the dots a bit before it starts announcing new destinations. Places like CLT, RDU, BNA all should be connected to JFK, BOS, IAD, FLL, MCO before they start announcing even more cities. Look at WN. Its taken them 35+years to get to 64 destinations, vs B6''s 7. Slow and steady wins out over wild fire. I think you'll see a lot more new routes centered on IAD, FLL, BOS, MCO, and SLC, all cities which could support Blue's expansion.

I think it won't be long before you see FLL-SJU. Blue just needs some time to get its ducks in order.



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User currently offlineB6ramprat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

I'm very anti gaining more cities or frequency of routes we have already but thats only out of JFK. I"m relieved to see FLL-PONCE. This will help to relieve alittle bit of stress on our operation at night as for those have flown at night out of JFK it is pretty busy.


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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3019 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

Quoting B6ramprat (Reply 20):
as for those have flown at night out of JFK it is pretty busy.

Understatement of the year lol. I flew out this past Thursday (bad delays all over NYC), and it was tough to find anywhere to sit. Many started sitting on the floor, and boarding lines in the rotunda spilled over several gates. Definitely no more expansion until the new terminal is finished.

In addition to PSE, BUF and SYR, what other routes out of FLL can we expect?

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User currently onlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1665 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 21):
Definitely no more expansion until the new terminal is finished.

When is that currently set for? Is it on track?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 21):
In addition to PSE, BUF and SYR, what other routes out of FLL can we expect?

Burlington is probably next.



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User currently offlinePhatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 14):
No new cities planned this year, straight from Barger.

On the note of Puerto Rico-Florida service, does anyone think that PR-TPA flights would work out well for B6?

JetBluefan1

No. There is adequate service from TPA to SJU (x2 Daily AA 757, 5 times a week NK 319 [NK flight due to discontinue August 12- only seasonal during summer]. BQN and PSE would not be sustainable, as MCO and South Florida have the larger PR ethnic base. The flights from the Tampa Bay area has never been able to sustain 2 or 3 carriers in the long-term (i.e. KP out of TPA, and TZ out of PIE back in the mid/late 90's).


25 Corey07850 : Works for me
26 JetBlueAUS : Think we'll ever see PWM?
27 Mtb555 : I know they want it up and running in 2008, but I've heard like January/February by some and spring by others. I'm curious to see what the plan is as
28 JetBlueGuy2006 : Thanks a lot for the update
29 MAH4546 : I personally don't think PWM can support year-round, daily service to Florida at all. Maybe AirTran will proove me wrong, but I have serious doubts.[
30 Post contains links Flyingcat : Well it's hit the fan NK just announced daily service to Ponce. SPIRIT AIRLINES Announces Nonstop Service to Ponce, Puerto Rico Schedule for nonstop s
31 JetBluefan1 : Wow, and similar times too. Let the battle begin!
32 JFK69 : Would they ever consider going out on a limb and open a FLL-SEA route. The only flight that is offered to any part of the country over there is basica
33 MAH4546 : An A320 could never make it.
34 JFK69 : According to the great circle mapper, it is 2,717 miles. According to Airliners.net, he A320 has a max range of 3,065 NM.
35 MAH4546 : True, nevermind that then. Still, it isn't going to happen. jetBlue's A320s have enough performance issues on shorter routes from JFK and BOS to Cali
36 KPWMSpotter : You underestimate the power of the Maine winter, and it's ability to encourage people to migrate to warmer climates... In the winter to spring, PWM a
37 DL Widget Head : I can't imagine that this flight will do well...why not just push it back to about a 0700 departure and use the down time in Ponce for a deep cleaning
38 SKYYBLUE : And why not? Our other ''off'' time flights to/from Ponce have done very well. In fact, every flight to/from Ponce from JFK/MCO have been nearly,if n
39 DL Widget Head : I was speaking about NK's flight and I don't think it will do well becuase of the 0250 departure time...just too early or late depending on your poin
40 MAH4546 : The departure will only be 0250 for three days. With daylight savings over, it becomes 0350 on 4 November. This is a Latin market. I don't understand
41 DL Widget Head : Your sledgehammer point is noted however, mark my words, six months from now the service will either be discontinued or the departure changed to some
42 MD90fan : Why? In reality it does work, you may want to check out their JFK-SDQ flights (3:42 AM arrival) and JFK-STI (3:34 AM arrival). These flights are rela
43 SKYYBLUE : And why not? Our other ''off'' time flights to/from Ponce have done very well. In fact, every flight to/from Ponce from JFK/MCO have been nearly,if n
44 SKYYBLUE : Lets just wait and see. I can almost assure you, things will be just the same.
45 SKYYBLUE : Amen MAH. These people just dont grasp the fact that the people in these markets are used to, and are WILLING to fly at these ''odd'' times.
46 JFK787NYC : People fly these times to get a head start on early morning tanning
47 JetBluefan1 : Are you talking about NK or JetBlue here? While I don't know much about NK, I can say with confidence that JetBlue does exceedingly well on its late-
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