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TWA 767/777 Orders?  
User currently offlineTWA From Iran, joined Sep 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Hello to all, A while back I remember someone saying TWA was going to be purchasing some 767-400's, and 777-200's. Can anyone verify if this is true, or just a false statement to get TWA Diehards worked up?

Happy Holidays to all

TWA

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User currently offlineAA737-800 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

I doubt TWA willl be buying anything new in the next few years. They pretty much have their fleet plan worked out.

AA737-800


User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

I remember too about a week or two ago Acvitale said that to expect a major TWA widebody order. What happened Acvitale?

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

They have recently placed an order for some IAE V2500 powered Airbus A319/A320s and some A330s.

User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

TEDSKI,
The A330 order was canceled a few years ago, and now TW is ordering the A320s to aviod a large calcelation fee. TW will be replacing their older 767-200s with new 767-300ERs.
Happy Holidays, Mr. T


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

I thought that they ordered A318s

User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

TWA ordered 75 A318s and 25 A319s with options for 50 more A320 family aircraft. These Airbus narrowboddies will replace MDC planes over the next 10 years as TWA rationalizes its fleet around 717/A320/757767/?

Regards,
Russell


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

We know TWA ordered Airbus in the past- but are they going to take delivery of them? Do they have the money for such an ambitious fleet renewal?

User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

Expect to see MD-83s with TWA for more than 10 years as they just took delivery of some of the last -83 built a few years ago. The older -82s will be gone around 10 years.

User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

Agreed, older MD82s will be the first to go of course. DC-9s are being actively retired now. 727s are gone.

The first A318s will be delivered in the first quarter of 2004. The plane as you may know is still in development. TWA was a launch customer.

The 717s are being delivered presently and Trans World has 10 on property. 40 more are expceted and the airline has options for a further 50.

Where will the money come from? According to Vitale expect an announcement on that soon.  

Regards,
Russell


User currently offlineBAVL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1236 times:

I can't understand why TW is ordering both the 318 and te 717. Shouldn't they rationalise their fleet and standardise on one model for this size of aircraft? Does anyone know the rationale behind this decision to order both types?

User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

Its been said many times, the A318 is designed for long range segments, and would be uneconomical for use on short hops such as STL-MCO etc. The 717 designed for shorter hops such as STL-MCO.
The Best, Happy Holidays, Mr. T


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

Ok here we go...

We did expect a widebody aircraft order before the year end. It was either going to be A332/B764/B772.

No answer yet. It is believed by many that a financial restructuring from Boeing will be announced with the widebody order (ie Air Tran and ATA did the same thing with Boeing)

The DC-9-30s will not be retired till 2003.

The 727s are gone as are the DC-9-10s/20s/40s/50s

The 767-200s will continue to be replaced with 767-300ERs (2 more are scheduled to leave in the next couple months and 3 more 767-300ERs are due in soon)

The 717 is designed for frequent short hops (ie 8-10 segments a day around 500-700 miles long)

The A318 is designed for longer hauls (ie STL-West Coast) and will fly on average 4-6 segments a day.

The fleet growth for 2001 is scheduled at just over 10% without the widebodies (new and 763)

There are 15 717-200s in service now. Another 21 due in 2001 alone. and the rest are in 2002-2003.

The 717-200s are on capital purchase agreements, The DC-9s are leases, The 757-200s are leased and purchased, The MD80s are leased and purchased. The 767-300ERs are mostly leased and the 767-200s were made all leases with the recent sale-leaseback on the remaining ones.

Labor issues and pension fund issues aggrevated by Icahn have delayed many expected announcements from 1CC but we expect to hear something soon.

Finally, TWA is also renegotiating a 100 million note that takes priority. It is expected to be rolled over and the assets redistributed. A bond issue is pending for the MCI maint. center to upgrade it and they have up to 3 years to sell the bonds or they can cancel the lease with the city.

Al


User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

Anyone know which 762s will be leaving TWA?
Thanks


User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Thanks Al....

User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 931 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

One more thing I would like to mention is to people who think all these new aircraft are replacing the MD-80 series fleets your wrong. Yes the older 82 series will be leaving in about 10 years or so, but do people forget that a TON of TWA's MD-83's are literally months old? All these brand spankin new MD-83's will be with TWA for a looong time and are being replaced by nothing. Someone also mention short hops such as STL-MCO being used by 717's? well that is a 2 hour flight and TWA uses 757 aircraft on that flight. Not exactly a short hop such as STL-ORD. I fly STL-MCO sometimes a couple times a month and every last seat is usually full. I highly doubt you will see any 717's headed to MCO. Maybe a few 767's believe it or not. I read somewhere that MCO is one of TWA's largest non-hub/focus city that has flights to and from STL, JFK, SJU using MD-83, 757, and 767 aircraft.

User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

No reason to get angry James.

User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 931 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

not angry at all, just trying to make a few corrections to the best of my knowledge. Sorry if that was worded to sound like I was upset  

User currently offlineTwa747100 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 1138 times:



wrote:al
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Labor issues and pension fund issues aggrevated by Icahn have delayed many expected
announcements from 1CC but we expect to hear something soon.

Finally, TWA is also renegotiating a 100 million note that takes priority. It is expected to be rolled over
and the assets redistributed. A bond issue is pending for the MCI maint. center to upgrade it and they
have up to 3 years to sell the bonds or they can cancel the lease with the city.



wrote:
-------------------------------

Ok can someone please translate this for me (dumb it down for me)
and no wide body orders  ?



User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (13 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

I think TWA's MD-80 series fleet will be with that airline a LONG time. Don't be surprised that TW and AA will work with Boeing on a possible re-engining program (e.g., replace the original JT8D-217's with the PW6000 series engine) so TW's MD-80 series plane can fly till 2015-2017.

I still think that TW may become a customer for the 767-400 Longer-Range (formerly 767-400ERX) once the Karabu arrange expires in 2003. That will allow TWA to fly more trips to Europe and possibly Latin America.


User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1111 times:

Hello,
Yes I mentoned STL-MCO to demonstrate the length of the route the 717 will be operating. I know this route will see lager aircraft because of its load factors.
Happy Holidays, Mr. T


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1061 times:

The bond issue at MCI is for the maint overhaul base. TWA has threatened to close it if they did not get some concessions from the city on it and have improvements made. The city and TWA agreed to a 300 million bond issue to update the facility and tooling. It would allow much more work to be done simitanously and with new tooling it would be done quicker. The bond issue was passed, the lease signed and now TWA and the city have 3 years to sell the bonds and update the facility.

As for the 100 million note. It is a bond issue secured by aircraft parts and engines it is due in January. TWA is offering a new bond that is more favorable to investors and would allow TWA to redestribute some assets in an effort to increase the debt of the note when they roll it over.

As for the Icahn issues.. Many know that Karabu is out there because Icahn raided the pension funds when he took the carrier private in the 1980s and that he was forced to repay it. Karabu is what TWA got saddled with when the funds were refinanced... (Icahn got away with around 1 billion USDollars.) Needless to say Icahn announced his Pichern corp designed to support the pensions was going to drop them and the Pension Guarantee Fund would take over. This has caused many many senior TWA people to retire Dec 31st to keep their pensions in full force and take the block amount therefore TWA is worried about staffing issues. Hence many critical decisions have been delayed until they know the true scope and effect from the latest Icahn bomb. (A slight benefit might occur to TWA with reduced payroll due to the senior people leaving and newer persons costing less on average.)

Finally, The JFK jangers are an issue. The company wants to move to a newer smaller hanger the IAM wants to stay in the larger older (and falling apart hanger) TWA no longer needs the large hanger from the days of the 747s and L1011s and unless the IAM gives it is a serious waste of limited company money. Some say without thhe JFK maint base TWA could have made money this year... (Of course same goes for higher fuel and Karabu and MCI Maint. any one of the 4 would have been enough and with all four it would have been wildly profitable... )


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