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User currently offlineMiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 505 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Skybus flew 63,860 pax out of CMH during the month of June according to the Columbus Regional Airport Authority. Pretty good numbers for their first full month of service. Here are the top carriers at CMH for June 2007 and pax numbers.

1. WN - 159,195
2. DL - 114,742
3. US/HP - 100,140
4. AA - 89,347
5. UA - 64,808
6.Skybus - 63,860
7. NW - 46,369
8. CO - 45,894
9. B6 - 23,343
10. YX - 9,898

According to numbers at
http://www.port-columbus.com/flight/stats/2007/2007_Monthly_Stats.htm

Only 3 carriers (US,HP and NW) reported lower numbers than in June 2006. Those numbers total 15,760.
Skybus more than made up for the losses at the other carriers and added 48,100 pax departing CMH in June 2007. With the additional destinations added in July, Skybus could over take UA and AA with the number of pax departing CMH in July and/or August. Impressive numbers for their first month.

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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2993 times:

Quoting MiAAmi (Thread starter):
Only 3 carriers (US,HP and NW) reported lower numbers than in June 2006. Those numbers total 15,760.

While there is no question that Skybus added new passengers to the total, there were a total of 116,244 more passengers, so other airlines grew as well, so it wasn't just a Skybus effect.

Given NW suffered the most losses, it should be interesting to see what they do, if anything. As for US / HP, I am sure they will respond to Skybus, who probably was responsible for the decrease.

Thank you for the update and the link to the data. It was very interesting reading


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2983 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 1):
Given NW suffered the most losses, it should be interesting to see what they do, if anything.

I doubt Skybus had anything to do with NW's changes at CMH. IIRC they reduced a couple of DTW flights from mainline to 9E.



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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2951 times:

Interesting numbers -- Skybus claims that they moved 63,860 passengers. Also they had 273 landings during June. Assuming that there was an equal number of take offs, which is safe to assume given they have so few aircraft and they "hub" to CMH, that is 546 aircraft movements.

63,860/546 = 116 pax average. If they have 135 seats on their present aircraft (is this correct? I am not sure), then that is a 86% load factor. If they have 150 sets, then it is a 77% load factor. This is really good information to have. We can track Skybus's load factors from this quite easily and accurately. Everyone bookmark the URL!


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Quoting Poitin (Reply 1):
Given NW suffered the most losses, it should be interesting to see what they do, if anything.

I doubt Skybus had anything to do with NW's changes at CMH. IIRC they reduced a couple of DTW flights from mainline to 9E.

That is correct. Northwest never applied their usual summer ramp-up and kept service out of CMH similar to their winter schedule, which is more RJ-heavy. However, one CRJ to DTW is scheduled to be upgraded back to a DC-9 in September. In addition, a DC-9 and an A319 are to be replaced by 2 A320s in the same month.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 1):
As for US / HP, I am sure they will respond to Skybus, who probably was responsible for the decrease.

The drop in passenger numbers for USAirways comes on the heels of reduced mainline capacity between CMH and CLT, which is now only operated with 1 mainliner a day. Though similar to NW, US bumps up their Charlotte schedule in September, when the 1 mainliner goes from a 733 to a 734, and the first morning E70 is upgraded to an E75. As for America West, their afternoon PHX departure was downgraded from an A320 to an A319 this year, while their evening LAS flight now operates 4x weekly, though it's scheduled to return to daily service in August.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 3):
63,860/546 = 116 pax average. If they have 135 seats on their present aircraft (is this correct? I am not sure), then that is a 86% load factor. If they have 150 sets, then it is a 77% load factor. This is really good information to have.

It is probably somewhere between those two figures. Of those total movements, several were proving runs, so 540 revenue takeoffs and landings might be a little more accurate. The 4 leased aircraft that flew during the month of June were in Skybus' temporary 144-seat configuration (the 5th, which arrived this month, is configured for 156). So 63,860/540 = about 118 pax on average. 118/144 = roughly 82% LF for the month of June. Definitely good preliminary numbers, though it's not really hard to fill a plane during the month of June. The numbers I found to be truly impressive were those posted by Midwest Connect. Those MCI flights must be doing well.


User currently offlineMiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

It will be interesting to see if SX adds frequency to MCI and if it will affect YX numbers. Anyone know when additional aircraft will start service?

User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
I doubt Skybus had anything to do with NW's changes at CMH. IIRC they reduced a couple of DTW flights from mainline to 9E.

I suspect you are right. NW has all sorts of other problems. That is why I added "if anything."

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 4):
It is probably somewhere between those two figures. Of those total movements, several were proving runs, so 540 revenue takeoffs and landings might be a little more accurate. The 4 leased aircraft that flew during the month of June were in Skybus' temporary 144-seat configuration (the 5th, which arrived this month, is configured for 156). So 63,860/540 = about 118 pax on average. 118/144 = roughly 82% LF for the month of June. Definitely good preliminary numbers, though it's not really hard to fill a plane during the month of June. The numbers I found to be truly impressive were those posted by Midwest Connect. Those MCI flights must be doing well.

There well may have been more non-rev flights than you suggest. However, it is very clear they are putting -- on average -- between 110 and 120 pax per flight, most likely in the 118 range as you suggest.

However, the load factors are somewhat spurious, as the various planes have different seat counts, and from what we know of SX's business plan, they need fairly full aircraft to make a profit. Thus the real issue is revenues. And as we know they are planning on secondary income streams. The bottom line question still remains can they make a sustain profit. Perhaps they are and perhaps they are not. With an average of 116 to 118 pax per flight, it is hard to say.

Still, until SX starts other "hubs" we can watch month by month and see how they are doing. It should be interesting to see what they do over time. And maybe we will be lucky and the other "hub" airports will publish the same sort of data.

Your comment on MCI was interesting, but I found the Southwest numbers even more so:
2007 2006 change per cent change
159,195 138,017 21,178 15.3%

SX does not seem to be hurting their growth very much, if at all.

Once again to MiaAmi a hearty thanks for finding these numbers. I wish all airports made them available.


User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 3):
Skybus claims that they moved 63,860 passengers



Quoting Poitin (Reply 3):
This is really good information to have. We can track Skybus's load factors from this quite easily and accurately.

This confirms what was released by Skybus managment several weeks ago.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 6):
hubs"

Skybus does not have a hub, they only are operating Point to Point operations and new focus cities will also be point to point only.

One additional fact is that they are planning on changing their crew staffing model from no RONs to 3 day trips as they bring new cities online. They will be able to support even more aircraft utilization this way.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2221 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

anyone know of any clues/hints to what their new focus cities could be?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 6):
Once again to MiaAmi a hearty thanks for finding these numbers. I wish all airports made them available.

Pretty much all large airports do, at least in the United States. Just go to an airport's website, although it sometimes requires digging. Some airports reports are ridiculously detailed (like MIA's), others aren't.



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