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AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?  
User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4893 times:
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I am trying to compose a list of what nonstop flights there are from JFK to the Carribean. I know there is
Please add what I am missing.

JFK-SXM St. Maarten
JFK-PAP Port au Prince


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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

Santo Domingo
Santiago, DR
Punta Cana
Port Au Prince
Montego Bay
San Juan
St. Thomas
St. Maarten
St. Lucia (UVF)
St. Kitts
Barbados
Aruba
Providenciales
Bermuda (If you want to call it the Caribbean).

Service to Puerto Plata and Kingston were dropped over the past two years.


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4861 times:
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Wow, those are all direct from JFK??

That is really impressive. I didn't think the list was so extensive!
Bermuda counts  Wink



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 1):
St. Lucia (UVF)
St. Kitts

These start this fall.

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 2):

That is really impressive. I didn't think the list was so extensive!

JFK exists purely for O&D. While, there are connections to be made on early morning flights from BOS, DCA, YUL and YHZ, and a few Transatlantic flights, JFK alone can generate enough O&D to fill many, many A300s a day to the islands (roach coach). One of the main reason AA doesn't fly so many is to maintain yields, and the fact they are relatively short on aircraft. So, given this fact, JFK is mostly centered on the first type of service, the VFR traffic, with heavy emphasis on very dense A300 routes flying multiple daily frequencies to the likes of PAP, SDQ, STI, etc. With that being said, JFK still has enormous leisure traffic as well to places like MBJ, STT, SXM, BGI, etc., but the volume and the yields are with the VFR.



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4632 times:
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Quoting MD90fan (Reply 3):
JFK is mostly centered on the first type of service, the VFR traffic



What is the VFR?

AA must make some serious profit from these routes. I was just looking at their fares.
Don't they normally drop in May?



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User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):
What is the VFR?

Visiting Friends/Relatives

-JD


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2208 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4569 times:

American prefers to focus on VFR traffic because it is much less seasonal than tourist traffic.

AA does carry some business traffic to the Caribbean, especially Bermuda, which has become more of a financial center than a resort over the last several years.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):

What is the VFR?

AA must make some serious profit from these routes. I was just looking at their fares.

Damn dude, you seriously don't know? It's visiting friends and relatives, an example would be someone flying from NYC to Santiago, DR to visit their grandmother.

Also, the MIA flights make even more money, ever hear about their Port au Prince flights (A300/757), or Port of Spain (767) or even Nassau, which is 10x daily ATR-72s..



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4394 times:
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Quoting MD90fan (Reply 7):
Damn dude, you seriously don't know?

Yeah, you would think that, right? But for some reason, I was asking myself, "what does Visual Flight Rules have to do with the topic?"  Wink

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 7):
Also, the MIA flights make even more money, ever hear about their Port au Prince flights (A300/757),

I know the PAP flights well. I know a lot of folks on those flights as well as a few FAs working them.


I wonder how AA was able to dominate the Carribean. I mean, if I look at JFK-Montreal, I would think there are a bunch more options. But JFK-MIA is usually a monopoly, no?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 8):
But JFK-MIA is usually a monopoly, no?

Delta flies JFK-MIA non-stop as well. In addition, even though jetBlue doesn't fly MIA-JFK, their FLL-JFK flights effectively compete. They compete to the point where AA matches jetBlue's fares on MIA-JFK.

The best performing route in AA's entire Caribbean network might surprise some people: Miami-Providenciales.



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User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

And there's also EWR. I think it's safe to say CO has EWR-MIA locked up, but there's some B6 competition on EWR-FLL.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 10):
And there's also EWR. I think it's safe to say CO has EWR-MIA locked up, but there's some B6 competition on EWR-FLL.

AA does very well on EWR-MIA and carrier a significant amount of traffic on the route.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Do any of those Carribean destinations have US Customs there, or do all passengers on these flights have to go through customs at JFK? What about SJU?

User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
Do any of those Carribean destinations have US Customs there, or do all passengers on these flights have to go through customs at JFK? What about SJU?

The only airports (in the Caribbean) with pre-clearance are AUA, FPO, and NAS.



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4286 times:
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Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 8):
But JFK-MIA is usually a monopoly, no?

Sorry, MIA was a typo!  Wow!
Actually, I meant to say it seems that JFK-PAP are a monopoly. Is that right?



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
The best performing route in AA's entire Caribbean network might surprise some people: Miami-Providenciales.

PLS really cleans up on the excess bag charges.

Turks Islanders come to Miami on massive shopping trips. They return with huge suitcases and coolers full of food. Lots of excess luggage and overweight bag charges, but it is still cheaper for them to shop in Miami.

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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 13):
The only airports (in the Caribbean) with pre-clearance are AUA, FPO, and NAS.

What about San Juan?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 16):
What about San Juan?

San Juan is in the United States.



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User currently offlineN276AASTT From US Virgin Islands, joined Jan 2004, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4103 times:

St. Thomas, U.S.V.I. has U.S. Customs and Immigration. When you land there, you just disembark the aircraft and exit the terminal, it's only when leaving that you have to clear C & I.

A few years back, AA tested a new strategy where the first flight of the morning (757) to MIA would clear C & I in MIA instead of STT. This proved to be unpopular with the STT passengers, having to deal with the MIA crowds @ Customs, so it was discontinued and everyone now pre-clears in STT before leaving. I personally flew on one of those flights and I agree, it's easier getting it over with in STT (no lines) vs MIA.



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User currently offlineVC10BOAC From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
San Juan is in the United States.

Really? Which state? San Juan is in Puerto Rico, whose nationals happem to be US Citizens.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

Quoting VC10BOAC (Reply 19):
Really? Which state? San Juan is in Puerto Rico, whose nationals happem to be US Citizens.

And Puerto Rico just happens to be in the United States. Is the District of Colombia not in the US because it isn't a state? I don't think so.



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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 901 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

You would be surprised how many US Citizens do not realize you do NOT need a US passport to visit PR. Obviously you do if you are from another country. AA Has signs all over the airport now in SJU 'Hey US Citizens..you do not need a passport to visit PR'. I was almost embarrassed to read these banners..goes to show you...

User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 1):
Santo Domingo
Santiago, DR
Punta Cana
Port Au Prince
Montego Bay
San Juan
St. Thomas
St. Maarten
St. Lucia (UVF)
St. Kitts
Barbados
Aruba
Providenciales
Bermuda (If you want to call it the Caribbean).

Service to Puerto Plata and Kingston were dropped over the past two years.

Did AA fly JFK-CUR in the past? if so when was it dropped?



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User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

I seen AA had red-eye flights scheduled from JFK-AUA about 2 years ago but it's gone now...where did it go?

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 3939 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
AA does very well on EWR-MIA and carrier a significant amount of traffic on the route.

The bulk of AA's traffic on EWR-MIA is comprised of passengers connecting to AA's massive Latin American network out of MIA. That said, the O/D market to MIA is quite strong and higher-yielding than FLL, at least for Continental.


25 Post contains images ExFATboy : I'm glad I wasn't the only one who did that! Actually, that doesn't surprise me at all - Provo is growing by leaps & bounds, lots of new hotel and co
26 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : AA flew JFK-CUR, I beleive and someone correct me if I am wrong it ended in 2002.
27 Beeski : STX - St. Croix US Virgin Islands also has US Customs and Immigration, just like our friends on STT. We used to have direct JFK service back in the 90
28 Post contains images WestIndian425 : ROFL!! This is too funny. I needed the laugh. Back on topic, with the expansion to new/restarted routes (eg, JFK-UVF), it looks like AA is feeling th
29 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : It has nothing to do with encroachment. AA has been returning a lot of service that was pulled because of construction at JFK. With one of the largest
30 WestIndian425 : Which routes were pulled because of construction? UVF was definitely not one of those.
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