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Confirmed: UA To Equip Some 757's W/Wingletts  
User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

I am shocked no one has picked up on this yet.

at about 7 minutes Glenn says that UA will be equipping part of the 757 fleet with wingletts!

If you missed the call here is the link http://biz.yahoo.com/cc/5/83015.html

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6324 times:

Quoting UnitedTristar (Thread starter):
I am shocked no one has picked up on this yet.

Not new. I've mentioned this previously in a couple post.

First plane enters conversion in September.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5232 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Is UA planning on some thinner IAD-Europe flights with these?


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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6223 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
Not new. I've mentioned this previously in a couple post.

First plane enters conversion in September.

sorry I did a search...didn't find anything.

-m

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
Is UA planning on some thinner IAD-Europe flights with these?

No. Planes being converted are the p.s. and Hawaii ETOPS sub fleets.



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User currently offlineB6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
Is UA planning on some thinner IAD-Europe flights with these?

That would be cool, but I think that with how many transcons that they have with the 757's that it would go a long way to help their fuel bill.

Did they happen to say how many would be equipped?


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6194 times:

Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 5):
Did they happen to say how many would be equipped?

no he just said part of the fleet

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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1741 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
Is UA planning on some thinner IAD-Europe flights with these?

No.

Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 5):
Did they happen to say how many would be equipped?

Less than 25, I'm sure.


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1741 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
Is UA planning on some thinner IAD-Europe flights with these?

No. UA will not send 757s to Europe.

Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 5):
Did they happen to say how many would be equipped?

Less than 25, I'm sure.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

29 total - 13 p.s. and 16 ETOPS


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User currently offlineB6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5598 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 9):
29 total - 13 p.s. and 16 ETOPS

Not too bad. That is what, 1/4 of the fleet?


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 10):
Not too bad. That is what, 1/4 of the fleet?

Close to 1/3...29/97

Makes sense...the benefits stop outweighing the cost of installation as the segment length declines. Looking forward to seeing the first one!


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16369 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5206 times:

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 8):
No. UA will not send 757s to Europe.

Has UA stated this explicitly? Any reasons? The success of CO with Atlantic 752's suggests that all US majors could benefit.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5114 times:

I wonder if they'll eventually do some 767's also. Or even 737's.


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User currently offlineFlyingjeep From United States of America, joined May 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 4804 times:

I dont think you will see any of UA 737 fleet with winglets due to the fact that amny of those 733 and 735 are getting rather old. However it would not surprise me to see some of there 767 fleet get wing lets.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 4708 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 12):
Has UA stated this explicitly?

Yes, including previous conference call Q&A.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 12):
Any reasons?

Various, including aircraft range/performance from IAD.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 12):
The success of CO with Atlantic 752's suggests that all US majors could benefit.

Ask AA. They seem to have not found success trying to run 757s to Europe.


UA's Atlantic operations focus is much more "big pipe" approach of using large equipment such as 777 and 744 and funneling high volume of traffic into a few destinations. CO uses a very different, lower volume and scattered approach.

Besides a potential DEN-LHR and maybe a single new destination in the coming year or so, I dont see UA changing things. Afterall Atlantic flying is profitable for UA the way is now structured.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 12):
Has UA stated this explicitly? Any reasons? The success of CO with Atlantic 752's suggests that all US majors could benefit.

UA's hub at IAD is a little bit too far from Europe. They could potentially use some PS jets to go IAD-Ireland, but UA does not tend to do oddball, one-off operations like that.


User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 15):

Various, including aircraft range/performance from IAD.

How is that? Are UA's 757s that much worse than CO's? A p.s.-style 757, perhaps with better F seats, would be great on routes like IAD - UK. IAD adds less than 200nm to a flight to Europe vs. EWR.

What about the possibility of ORD to Ireland & northern UK (~3200nm: ORD-GLA, ORD-DUB, etc.)


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

Quoting Analog (Reply 17):
Are UA's 757s that much worse than CO's?

Yes, quite significantly. CO max take off weight are 255,000lbs, UAs 240,000lbs.

In addition add the fact that only 16 of UA's near 100 B757s are ETOPS, and fully commited to Hawaii flying.



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User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 18):

Yes, quite significantly. CO max take off weight are 255,000lbs, UAs 240,000lbs.

Is this a real difference or one where UA has its aircraft certified at a lower MGTOW for cost reasons?


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

Does anyone have the aircraft registration numbers for UA subfleet of PW2040 757's??


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 20):
Does anyone have the aircraft registration numbers for UA subfleet of PW2040 757's??

All are 37,250 thrust PW2037s.



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User currently offlineFlyingjeep From United States of America, joined May 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

what are COs and AAs 757s engines rated at?

User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 21):
All are 37,250 thrust PW2037s.

No they have the subfleet of 40,000 lbs. for Hawaii

Quoting Flyingjeep (Reply 22):
what are COs and AAs 757s engines rated at?

They both have the RB211-535E4B's rated at 43,000 + lbs of thrust. That's how they have the 255,000lbs MTOW versions



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 23):
No they have the subfleet of 40,000 lbs. for Hawaii

Care to show me? Manuals sure do not show any PW2040.  Yeah sure

Entire fleet is PW2037 equipped.



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25 Gigneil : No, it really isn't. NS
26 EA772LR : I don't have manuals, sorry, but i did find these little tid bits....(not sure if the number of PW2040 frames listed below is correct, but UA definit
27 Laxintl : Feel free to pm me and I'll forward along the applicable documents that show entire UAL B757 fleet are PW2037s.
28 Tozairport : Actually Gigneil, it really is. I am looking at the UA 757/767 flight manual, an airplane that I was actually flying for them until about 8 months ag
29 Post contains images EA772LR : I stand corrected. You guys undoubtedly know more about that then I do. I'm relatively new to the aviation world For future reference, how do I obtai
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