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Is Alaska Airlines Phasing Out The MD80  
User currently offlineTaber00 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 36 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Is Alaska phasing out the MD80 for the 737?
How many MD80s does Alaska have and 737s.
I personally prefer the 737 though i dont no much about the MD80s

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User currently offlineFedExHeavy From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

It looks like Alaska is going to an all 737 fleet of 734's, 737, and the 739. I wouldn't expect to see the MD80 with Alaska to disapear from the skies soon, but the MD80 will be on it's way out. Alaska doing this because it's easier to train pilots for one type of aircraft instead of many and they'll save on maintenance. From my POV I'll miss there MD80's, I'll miss the MD80 in general and after Alaska gets rid of there last MD80 I hope someone else can give them a good home.
 
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User currently offlineN-156F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

With AS buying up new B73Gs and B739s, yes, it looks like they'll be saying goodbye to the MD-80 over the next several years. This has been a goal of their for several years now, and Flight 261 only helped hurry it along.

User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Alaska was retiring the MD80s prior to flight 261.

Several AS aircraft that came off lease went to TWA.

Alaska has retained some MD80s longer due to a larger number of aircraft in maint. Delays in pilot training and other issues.

In a few years AS will be an all 737 fleet.

Al


User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Sadly, it is so! I know, it is depressing. But oh well, I guess that is life. There still are airlines like DL and TW that value their MD-80s though.

MD-80: 34 aircrafts mostly MD-83s with some MD-82s.
B737: To damn many! I think 40+ 734s, 5+ 732s, and maybe 10+ 73Ns (with more to come) and maybe 10 739s.

However the amount of 737s on order is enough to repalce the all MD-80s!!!!! Yes, I'm very happy about that. I believe a member on this forum who works for AS says MD-80s will still be flying with the airline until 2005, but up to 2007 at latest.

wrote:taber00
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I personally prefer the 737 though i dont no much about the MD80s

Riiiiiiiiiiight. Well here's what I do know about the MD-80s. Alaska bought aquired them from the Jet America take over. They liked the planes and launched the longer range MD-83. They were used mainly for California expansion and soon were on routes system wide. They also were helped the speeding up of the replacement of 727s. AS also placed a large order for 40 MD-90s but then in the mid90's came upon poor economic times, and cut down the order to 20. They then cancelled it completely in favor of 5 MD-83s (N977AS-982AS). They also ordered 10 737-400s and more and more of them infested the airline until the 734s out numbered the MD-80s.

The MD-80s are particularly favored on "long haul" (yes we all know how many long haul flights AS flies) to Alaska from the lower 48 and then routes to Mexico. The 737 however was welcome in Alaska because of its larger cargo capacity.

It looks like in the next 4-6 years this wonderful era of taking MD-80s on AS up and down the west will come to an end. I have enjoyed lots of Alaska MD-80 flights and I have know idea what I'm going to do when they get rid of them. However a one type fleet, if it is as boring as hell and uncreative makes sense for an airline of its size. I don't know what my particular qualms with the 737 are, but I'm a diehard MDC fan. I will miss them.

~N960AS

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User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

N960AS...actually AS was the US launch customer for the MD-83 in 1985. They already had some number of MD-80s when they tookover Jet America in 1987. Most of the MD-82s come from JA.

Frankly, an all 737 fleet certainly would work better for pilot training, maintenance and aircraft "juggling." One of the resons Southwest's cancellation rate is so low is because they can sub in just about any spare aircraft...it doesn't have to be a particular type. The 3X2 seating on the MD-80s makes it awkward to sub an MD-80 for a 737, and of course you need MD-80 pilots to fly an MD-80. And since Alaska is being very careful with their MD-80s these days, it's not uncommon that they stay in the hanger a little longer than scheduled.

There are 40 734s, 8 (soon to be 9 737-200s) and 12 73Gs. The MD-80s were originally supposed to be gone by this year, but I think 2005-7 is now more realistic.


User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Well ok, Alaska was the US launch customer. For subbing AS 734s have 126 seats just like the MD-80s. Pilots, um, well, you got me there.

wrote: ElPremier
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8 (soon to be 9 737-200s)

Great! I'm glad to see AS is doing their part for the environment...I know they're combis.

It seems silly for AS to have gotten rid of the MD-80s by 2000. Has anyone ever been on N982AS? I was on it in January (2 days before 261, eeeeh) and it was immaculate. That plane is only 3-4 years old. Anyway it seems kind of odd that AS ordered the MD-80, I mean looking back on it. In the 70’s-early80’s they had 737s and 727s. They acquired MD-82s from Jet America, liked them so they ordered MD-83s. The 727s are replaced and then they order MD90s, but switch to 734 and now they have all these MD-80s around and they want an all 737 fleet. Seems like poor planning. Then again if MDC still did well and they planned on having a MD80/90 fleet...if only. However I’m happy they got the MD-80s. I guess it is kind of like DL and the A310s? The MD-80 was a valued (forget what I said before) part of their fleet and it helped them expand in Mexico. But I guess they’ve gone back to Boeing. Let the Seattle companies band together…Boeing, Alaska, Starbucks, Nordstroms, Microsoft…

Well, well…
~N960AS


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User currently offlineL_188 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Alaska Airlines was talking about going to an all 737 fleet back in 1994 when I was ramping there. One of the big reasons is that they cost to much to operate when it is cold and wet out. It was policy to de-ice the aircraft everytime it hit the ground.

The reason is the thin skin on the MD-80 wings form ice deposits on the upper surface of the wing because of the supercooled fuel in the wing cools it. The fuel tanks most likely to do this are against the cabin at the wingroot, Just forward of the engines. Not a good place to have a chuck of ice sheer off.

You don't have this problem when it is really warm out, say at a Mexican airport because the fuel warms up faster, or at say Fairbanks, Alaska in Febuary because the mosture content of the air is nil. But say October in Seattle....Yuck...Big ice problems.

Of course you could always do what the russians did at Vladivostok that one time. When they ran out of De-icing fluid for an AS MD-80 they fill the truck with Vodka and hit the airplane with that!


User currently offlineFedExHeavy From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Well said N960AS, the MD80 will surely be missed. I was in SAT a couple days ago and the airportt wasn't completely dominated by 737's! They had a Northwest DC9, American MD80's, Delta MD88's, and a Midwest Express DC9. The one thing I'll miss about the MD80 is the low and loud departures off of RNWY 15 at BUR.
 
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User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Ha! Vodka?! Really? The Russians wasted their precious natural resource on AS MD-80s? Did they lick it off the MD-80? Is this standard practice for Aeroflot too? Did it work well? No wonder AS dropped the Russian Far East routes. So if the MD-80s weren't that good in cold why did they use them for Russia? Seems rather silly. Then agian the MD-80 seems to be prefered for 'long hauls' in Alaskas route system. I always wondered who took those flights to Russia. I thought it would have been cool, but not practical if they went on to Japan.

Yeah 737 dominated airports suck! BUR is a prime example, only AA, AS and HP break the the unwritten 737 law of BUR. But AA and DL will have MD-80s for a while longer, and A320s are a nice change to see at BUR. Oh well, the MD-80s were fun.

~N960AS

I'm too lazy to look for another MD-80 pic, you know they look better than those stubby 737s.


User currently offlineFedExHeavy From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Yeah I prefered BUR right before Southwest moved in, when Continental, USAir, and TWA were there, BUR wasn't so 737 dominated. Then Southwest moved in and Continental, USAir, and TWA pulled out. Southwest basically took the airport and BUR became the 737 club, except for Cactus Airbuses(1 or 2 flights out.) and Alaska and American with the MD80, now Alaska has thrown some 737 flights in. No offense to Southwest, I love the airline but when I go an airport to watch planes I like diversity, not all of one type.
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User currently offlineNikonF100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Regarding the MD-90 orders. Alaska was the main launch customer, however when they found out about the cockpit differentials, they canx the order. They wanted to have a cockpit that was in common with the M80. However, the Douglas engineers made the M90 with a different cockpit, that required a different certificate to fly it. If the M80 and M90 had the same cockpit rating, maybe we would see Alaska with an all Douglas fleet.

F100Man


User currently offlineCargyvr From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

I know one MD-80 went to Aeromexico

User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

The MD-80s seems to have found good homes all over the place. I think N945AS and N946AS (both very nice machines) went to Aeromexico. I saw N940AS at STL in new colors in '98. I've heard that some, sadly, have gone to the deserts of AZ. But what can you do? I wish there was a website I could find where it says where they went.

I agree 100% FedEx.

~N960AS

I think I'm going to save up my money to buy one :P
Anyone, want to help. I figure N931AS (930 is gone?) would be the cheapest. N982AS the most, but I like that one. I've never been N960AS, am I stupid? No, it's the 1,000th MD-80! I'm trying to get on all that I can. "Collect 'em all", if you know what I mean?! Thanksgiving was annoying N932AS up, and N932AS back, I think that airline hates me.


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