Also an issue with many railroad accidents in the USA. Rail crews work odd schedules like aircrews and few people actually make light of that.
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 7): Unless they could not sleep at the hotel the night before, I don't see crew rest being an issue.
Time between shifts can be a big issue. Even if they slept the allotted hours who is to say if that was really enough. Sleep deprivation is a huge problem in many industries.
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 9): Yeah, but at the very minimum he doesn't remember the accident and lost one or both of his legs. He might also have brain damage - I can't remember for sure if he does or not.
No matter what I am sure he isn't talking much about what happened. I am sure he is represented by an attorney and that lawyer's advice is took keep your mouth shut!
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 5): ...never sue anyone at fault, sue the deepest pockets
Im a locomotive engineer for 19 yrs and we are regulated under very very strict guidlines from Canada of course and you would think twice of running a train these days with our mandates that must be met and control 21,0000 tons at the same time.We own a lot of rail in the states under the same guidlines so yes we are very very carefull what we do. just a thought
N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6013 times:
Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 14): Ironically, sterile cockpit was established from an Eastern Airlines crash in the 70's when the crew was discussing a baseball game (I think the World Series) the night before.
Is that right? I thought the sterile cockpit was mandated below 10,000' after the DL 727 crash at DFW, when the crew failed to set the flaps after spending most of the checklist talking about the flight attendants' dating habits.
As far as I can recall, the EA 401 crew spent most of the terminal descent obsessing over the status of the faulty lightbulb. But I could very, very easily be wrong, and if so, I'd appreciate a correction!
New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
On a side note, comedian Steven Colbert of Comedy Central's "The Colbert Report" lost both of his parents in that crash.
According to "Aviation Disasters" by David Gero,
Quote: As transcribed by the cockpit voice recorder, the two men covered a variety of topics, from politics to used motor cars, with both expressing strong views and mild aggravation regarding these subjects. In the process they may have relaxed their instrument scan and relied more heavily on visual cues to carry out the approach. And when the DC-9 entered the fog, there would not have been enough time for the to switch back to instrument procedures.
The World Series would have been later in the month.
As far as "blame" goes, it bothers me to think that blame must be affixed to someone or something, as if that will give the victims' families solace. Not that anyone at airlines.net would do so, but too many people in this world want things to be black and white - something bad happened, so it HAS to be someone's fault. And all too often, there are those that prey on the grieving by promising to get them "justice" before all the facts are in.
Let us also remember that aviation accidents in this era are incredibly complex - the 1982 Air Florida crash in Washington DC was the results of no less than 13 separate factors that occured, in sequence, resulting in that terrible crash. Simple "accidents" are almost non-existent anymore.
The anger is justified. The rush to judgement is not. The NTSB has taken its time in examining all the factors involved in this horrible accident and will render its findings at the appropriate time. I have faith the findings will be impartial and well-examined and that recommendations will be made to ensure this will not happen again.
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Contrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4617 times:
We'll never know what was going through their minds those last few seconds, but I have often wondered what the pilots were thinking when they turned on to that darkened runway. I'm not a pilot, but I can't help but wonder why they didn't realize that something wasn't right. Why didn't they look at their compass? Why didn't they stop and think for a moment?
My primary thoughts, however, are about the pax, as they are in any crash. I wonder if any of them looked out the window and knew that the plane was on the wrong runway? Did any of them try to get word to the pilots? Did any of them know that they were doomed?
I would have to agree, I know at FWA the NOTAM's come though the station fax machines and are usually discarded or stuck up on the notice board in ops. Our crews never even went into ops unless they were on a delay, but usually then just to eat and watch movies, not read the NOTAM's on the board.
Idk if any other airline does it differently, but to my knowlege the airport isnt obligated to do anymore than just send a fax... They really should have to send that to dispatch or something so that it can be included on the flight release. Just my 2 cents.