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Air India: 777LR Ready For Aug.1 N/S To JFK Debut  
User currently offlineDIA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10190 times:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q3/070726a_nr.html

Mumbai to JFK starts on august 1st. Boeing has given Air India their first 777LR. Great chapter of aviation starting here...

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10116 times:

Looking fwd to the ceremony on the 28th  Smile
regds
MEL


User currently offlineUAL747-600 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9941 times:

One is on the way to Indira Gandhi Int'l (VIDP). It'll be landing in a little over 8 hours so someone get their camera ready!!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC160

UAL747-600


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

IINM, AI will be the first 3class nonstop from the East Coast to India.

AA appears to be the only other 3class carrier offering nonstops to India, but from ORD.


User currently offlineTigerotor77W From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9571 times:

I have a friend who's on that delivery flight... lucky guy! Another friend is helping deliver a 737-800 to AI.  Smile

User currently offline707437 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

Has it landed yet. . ?

should be close by now. . .


User currently offlineQantasHeavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9554 times:

What is flying time westbound?

User currently offlineHAWK21M From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9475 times:

Quoting Tigerotor77W (Reply 4):
I have a friend who's on that delivery flight... lucky guy! Another friend is helping deliver a 737-800 to AI.

Will they be flying to BOM too.
regds
MEL


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9265 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
IINM, AI will be the first 3class nonstop from the East Coast to India.

I'm assuming that the ideas is that AI can compete strongly with, if not take the market away from DL on the BOM-JFK service.

ON another note, does AI still use foreign contract commanders for their 777 ops, or have all/most of the 744 commanders been type rated for the 777 now?


User currently offlineDesh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8761 times:

Nice - good to know - best of luck to AI on this route ...

User currently offlineBa777-236 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8720 times:

Maybe the wrong place for this question, but does AI plan on using these new LR's on the YYZ run at anytime?? I've heard about JFK, and even SFO, but nothing here..

User currently offlineReadytotaxi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8703 times:

Quoting Desh (Reply 9):

Have AI upgraded their first class for this aircraft?


User currently offlineUAL747-600 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8652 times:

No. 2 777-200LR on the way to new home.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC160

UAL747-600


User currently offlineLH459 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 11):
Have AI upgraded their first class for this aircraft?

Completely new products in all classes! I believe there have been threads with photos.


User currently offlineAvianca707359B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8307 times:

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 11):
Have AI upgraded their first class for this aircraft?

See here:

http://home.airindia.in/SBCMS/Webpages/Non-Stop-News.aspx


User currently offlineReadytotaxi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8034 times:

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 14):

Thanks you that.


User currently offlineBlrsea From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7928 times:

First Indian plane to fly over North Pole

Quote:
For the 51 guests on board Air India flight 160 that touched down at the Indira Gandhi Airport here at 2 pm today, it was a special occasion. The Boeing 777-200 long range (LR) aircraft named Andhra Pradesh, is th e first of the 50 wide body aircraft AI has purchased.

The aircraft has many other firsts to its name. Andhra Pradesh became the first Indian aircraft to fly non-stop between India and the United States and also the first Indian aircraft to fly over the North Pole.
...

The aircraft took off from Seattle with 1.28 lakh kilolitre of fuel although only 1.001 lakh kl were consumed when it reached Delhi after flying non-stop for 14 hours and 18 minutes over Canada, NorthPole, Russia, Kazakhistan, Krygistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan.


User currently offlineMax Q From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7904 times:

Interesting, AI is using the -LR on Mumbai to NY and We at Continental will be using the regular -ER 777.

I wonder what the difference in useful payload will be.

Quite significant I would think, that our aircraft is close to the limits of it's economic performance at that distance.


User currently offlineDIA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7853 times:

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 12):
No. 2 777-200LR on the way to new home.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC160

UAL747-600

Why does the flightpath have a huge "U-shape" turn in it. Is this the only way to portray such a flightpath in one-dementional?


User currently offlineJlk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7737 times:

Quoting from the article..

"In Delhi, the aircraft was welcomed with two fire engines on either side spraying it with water as it taxied on the runway. Finally, when the aircraft docked at the parking bay, the CMD and airline officials performed a puja before breaking a coconut before the aircraft."

I thought coconut breaking happens only for vehicles on the road... but I guess air travel is no exception.


User currently offlineDIA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7606 times:

Quoting Jlk (Reply 19):
breaking a coconut

What is the history behind this ritual?


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7453 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
I wonder what the difference in useful payload will be.

Quite significant I would think, that our aircraft is close to the limits of it's economic performance at that distance.

enough to add tens of thousands of pounds of cargo capacity. Given DL and CO apparently both make good money to India, it can be significant. The real challenge for CO will be when AI and DL are both flying LRs to India, giving them significantly more ability to carry cargo which could translate into their ability to discount passenger traffic.


User currently offlineMax Q From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7318 times:

Good point World Traveller, however aren't those fares regulated or am I mistaken ?

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7315 times:

the US and India are moving toward Open Skies if they aren't there already... Open Skies removes all controls on airfares.

I'm glad for India's sake that they have got a carrier that will be competing in the world market. India - US traffic is huge and growing. You clearly need the right aircraft for the market and the 777LR is really the best aircraft for the job. I fully expect that DL and AI will command a large portion of the market and other carriers will find it increasingly difficult to compete as they have no cargo capabilities and leave bags behind on a regular basis.


User currently offlineMax Q From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7245 times:

The LR is probably best suited but Continental decided against purchasing it for commonality with the rest of the 777 fleet.

It makes for very efficient aircraft utilization but on short European routes it's a little too much aircraft and on ultra long haul routes it is weight restricted.

Even the regular 200 -ER is still a very capable aircraft though, and even more so since we uprated the GE 90's to 94K
and increased the maximum take off weight to 656k.

Imho I think we should purchase the 300 -ER which can outperform the 200 -ER and carry a great load at very low seat mile cost, that is the 777 of the future as the 787 will eventually supersede the smaller 777's.


25 Sammyk : What sort of commonality issues are there between the ER and LR and is it a big difference?
26 CO787EWR : Well its not that there commanility issues is that lets say you have a route like EWR-SIN daily with a small subfleet of 777-200LR's and one of your t
27 Karan69 : That is wrong 1 or 2 of AIs 744s flew their delivery flights from JFK-DEL about 10-12 years ago. [nothing against Bisera, i am just pointing out the
28 Post contains images Aseem : not gonna happen as AI will never give up stopover at ATQ and BHX. so we will have to contend with B772ERs.
29 Post contains links Cricket : Here goes... Air India's Shows Off New Colours (by Cricket Jul 28 2007 in Civil Aviation)
30 PC12Fan : Are there any detailed photos out yet of the new classesd?
31 Max Q : Continental does not keep particular 777's on any one route, the fleet is changing destinations on a daily basis, for example an early TLV arrival int
32 HAWK21M : Its very common for a New Aircraft or 1st Flight after a Major Check.A Garland,a prayer & the coconut breaking.Only Mx reminds the folks breaking the
33 WorldTraveler : Which is why you have specific routes for the LRs... it becomes a separate fleet for routing purposes but is technically no different than an ER. You
34 ConcordeBoy : IINM, they already had 656K when they began the route using derated -92Bs. Fill it? Perhaps. Fill it to yield? ...dunno about that one. No assumption
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