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Do Low Cost Companies Carry Cargo?  
User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

Simple, maybe stupid question, but I'm just wondering...

If yes, which carriers? By Cargo I don't only mean small containers, but also post....

Isn't it a way to increase revenue un general? Take Easyjet for example since they usually fly between well established airports surely they can take cargo at no additional cost. Low load factors can be compensated by a decent amount of cargo in the belly...

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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7396 times:

It's fairly common with the US-based LCCs, here's a few examples:

AirTran: http://www.airtrancargo.com/
Frontier: http://www.frontierairlines.com/fron...ionid=98fbe89dab6c5a2b192f96e27fd1
Southwest: http://www.swacargo.com/
US Airways/America West: http://www.usairways.com/awa/content/traveltools/cargo/default.aspx


User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7356 times:

Aer Lingus www.aerlinguscargo.com


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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3695 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7298 times:

I don't think U2 & FR handle cargo; well I know for certain that they won't handle the sort of cargo I ever despatch (expired passengers)

User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1140 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

I know for a fact both Interjet and Volaris, two extremely successful Mexican LCCs, are doing a good business carrying cargo in their bellies. www.interjet.com.mx and www.volaris.com.mx

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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7257 times:

I remember when Vbird was still around at NRN a strange story went around that they hauled cargo in their A320s during off-peak hours, and pax during peak. Obviously, they didn't reconfigure the cabin for the night, so it must've been some heavy cargo then. I don't know, probably a silly myth. Anyway, it's an interesting topic.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7215 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 5):
I remember when Vbird was still around at NRN a strange story went around that they hauled cargo in their A320s during off-peak hours, and pax during peak. Obviously, they didn't reconfigure the cabin for the night, so it must've been some heavy cargo then. I don't know, probably a silly myth. Anyway, it's an interesting topic.

Back in the 1980s, Eastern Airlines had a contract to haul cargo at night for a company using some A300s based out of Houston and they actually sold seats for the flights at a dirt cheap price. You couldn't check bags because the cargo hod was used for the cargo Eastern was carrying for this handling company.


User currently offlineBluewingwalker From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7074 times:

I don't have a link, but b6 carries U.S. Mail, Flowers, Human Remains, amoung other things


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User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6896 times:

As far as I was told by a 4U pilot a couple of years ago, they do fly cargo only flights at night after all passenger services. I dont know if they do carry cargos during passenger flights though.


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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
It's fairly common with the US-based LCCs, here's a few examples:

But they are pretty restrictive in what they will take. Only Frontier states that they will accepts HR's, and animals. Two of the four specifically say they won't, and none of them accept dangerous goods. So "cargo" is a pretty restrictive term when it comes to the LCC's. WN used to make a bundle moving mail, do they still have the contract for that?


User currently offlineBx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 691 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

I would think that due to fast turnarounds many would be unwilling to carry cargo as it increases the length of time required to turn the aircraft around. Aer Lingus carries very little cargo on European flights for this very reason, long haul they do but in general not too much on short haul, AMS, LHR and FRA are the short haul routes that spring to mind. FR introduced baggage charges to cut down on baggage carried thus reducing turnartound times, so I would doubt they would carry cargo.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6719 times:

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 9):
WN used to make a bundle moving mail, do they still have the contract for that?

I'm not sure which airlines still even carry the mail, as I know FL and NW quit doing it because the USPS cut the rates they were paying. In addition, in the post 9-11 world, there was new equipment airlines would have to buy in order to handle the mail, and some airlines felt that the expense of buying such equipment (which was in the millions of dollars) outweighed the revenue the mail would generate.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 9):

But they are pretty restrictive in what they will take. Only Frontier states that they will accepts HR's, and animals. Two of the four specifically say they won't, and none of them accept dangerous goods. So "cargo" is a pretty restrictive term when it comes to the LCC's

Handling HRs always creeped me out when I worked@ EV. We carried cremains and small caskets and I would try to avoid loading any flights I knew had HRs on them. I'm guessing the cases of some of the LCCs, they really cannot handle HR caskets over a certain size due to space limitations in the cargo hold (same is probably true in regards to animals as well). So instead of limiting HRs to a certain size, they just have a blanket policy regarding them. Considering how much money airlines charge to ship HRs (My grandfather many years back was in Air Cargo for Eastern and even back then [late 1970s, early 1980s] the price to ship HRs was more than double the passenger fares.), it may be some revenue these airlines are missing out on.

I was working at FL when they introduced their ASAP Cargo program (it got axed after 9/11 as a result of some of the cargo restrictions put in place) and we'd get all kinds of stuff coming in as cargo. Just about every BOS-ATL came in with a load of live lobsters, and there were flights some nights where we had more cargo than bags and mail. Some of the more interesting things I remember included several film cans that contained reels of the movie "Magnolia" and sheets of uncut circuit board backing.


User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1140 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6624 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I'm not sure which airlines still even carry the mail,

FX is moving the largest bulk of the USPS, both domestic and international.

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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I'm not sure which airlines still even carry the mail

CO does, and has all that equipment too.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I'm guessing the cases of some of the LCCs, they really cannot handle HR caskets over a certain size due to space limitations in the cargo hold (same is probably true in regards to animals as well).

? The cargo holds and doors of a 737NG are the same on WN as they are on CO. HR's and animals don't tavel on RJ's but if it's a boeing, the doggie is going.


User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I'm not sure which airlines still even carry the mail,

UA? I got a parcel from the USA and there is a tag on it saying the parcel was on a UA flight to LHR.



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User currently offlineMach3 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6375 times:

Vey esay question to answer. Just go to your local commercial airport and look at the freight area. You'll see which carriers have office's. UAL is huge in the Cargo business. Most carrier's have small package counters in the baggage area's. They make a ton of money with small packages.


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6351 times:
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I suspect most LCCs do not carry or limit the type of cargo they carry because it actually increases costs. You have to have a cargo warehouse, comply with security regulations, increased paperwork, etc. Carrying cargo does not necessarily increase turn around time because the airline sets a cutoff time for the flights and if it is not there with all the paperwork in time, it doesn't fly on that flight. Most cargo is ready to be loaded for a flight before the flight has even arrived.

Most airlines still carry mail, but mostly point to point. Most do not carry domestic transfer mail anymore because of the tracking requirements of the USPS. The only exception I've seen is foreign mail. I work in cargo and regularly go to the post office to get the mail for our flights and have seen the mail destined for other carriers.


User currently offlinePmurr From Fiji, joined Mar 2005, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6202 times:

Virgin Blue are expanding their freight services, both domestically and internationally.

We may also see an expanded role in the future for Virgin Blue as a service provider for Toll's freight services.


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

From Monastir, MIR/DTMB, you can book for your cargo on a LTU, Tuifly or Air-Berlin flight.

User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Allegiant Air does not carry cargo or mail. I have no idea why... but they dont.


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

Norwegian carries mail between Orly and Oslo.

User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
I don't think U2 & FR handle cargo;

FR does indeed not carry cargo, and O'Leary said he had no intention to change that.



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User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5897 times:

The other day I was sitting in the terminal at MAN and found that even BA flights there dont seem to be carrying any cargos. A few of their flight heading to LHR just have baggage loaded and thats it - even on a 757.Im not sure about KLM or LH flights as I was just sitting next to T3.


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User currently offlineAlespesl From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2004, 583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5878 times:

SkyEurope carries cargo in the a/c.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 19):
Allegiant Air does not carry cargo or mail. I have no idea why... but they dont.

Probably because of the way their schedule is set up. When you're flying somewhere from LAS of SFB a handful of times a week, folks probably wouldn't be looking to send cargo on one of your flights.

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 12):
FX is moving the largest bulk of the USPS, both domestic and international.

I was referring to passenger airlines.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 13):
? The cargo holds and doors of a 737NG are the same on WN as they are on CO. HR's and animals don't tavel on RJ's but if it's a boeing, the doggie is going.

Unless it's a 717.


25 Bongodog1964 : Hardly surprising really. Its quicker (and far cheaper) to transport freight from Manchester to London by road; only four hours approx door to door b
26 Ha763 : Animals can and do travel in the cargo hold of the 717, unless you're AirTran. HA does it everyday.[Edited 2007-07-29 22:47:58]
27 ManchesterMAN : Lots of LCCs carry cargo. Silverjet and Maxjet have increasingly sucessful cargo operations and as mentioned previously many of the US LCCs have cargo
28 Pe@rson : Many years ago FR carried cargo but it was eliminated: cargo represented less than 1% of its total revenue. Carrying cargo also complicated its simple
29 Post contains images PanHAM : Naah, they stopped it after there was someone knocking from inside. Now, seriously- some LCCs do and some don't. FR is among those who don't and they
30 Post contains links A342 : Leisurecargo, a subsidiary of LT, markets the belly capacity of LT's own fleet as well as that of other LCCs and charter/holiday carriers. Have a look
31 Cricket : Don't know the scenario in India, from what I have heard some Indian LCC's (SpiceJet and Air Deccan) are carrying cargo for courier companies, because
32 VgnAtl747 : Virgin America has a section about cargo on their website...
33 Post contains images FlyingColours : Do BA aircraft still carry the Royal Mail logo? I guess they do a fair bit of cargo flights but mainly on longhaul routes. I know that the charter air
34 Post contains images Pe@rson : Only because he refused to buy a scratch card!
35 PanHAM : Airlines can restrict the kind of cargo they carry. However, if DGR is carried, it needs to be properly checked, packed and manifested. That is the j
36 FlyingColours : I know that, but when I was at Excel & Islandsflug we were all given brief training (only took one day), it was basic stuff like the colour of smoke,
37 Pizzaandplanes : Part of the agreement with FedEx and USPS was that FedEx would carry the a large portion of mail if FedEx could put a drop box in front of every post
38 TheCol : WS carries cargo of most types.
39 PanHAM : you mean you control what the passengers might bring on board? To be honest, passengers should not bring anything remotely looking like DGR through s
40 Post contains links Mnevans : Looks like Skybus may consider carrying cargo but surprise surprise, you have to talk to a 3rd party in order to do it! http://ask.skybus.com/info/bag
41 Noelg : LS carry cargo, but not sure about on Jet2 flights. Channel Express use Jet2's aircraft for the Royal Mail flights overnight when they're not carrying
42 VV701 : Yes. Along with aircraft of GB Airways (but not for some reason BMED) the Royal Mail logo is painted on nearly every BA aircraft on the left hand sid
43 Swatpamike : Hello All WN stopped mail service last year because we where not making any money on it. The post office has very tight time restrictions on moving ma
44 TriStar500 : Some years ago, 4U considered carrying containerized cargo (in order to keep their turn times), but I don't know what came out of this idea.
45 N1120A : Don't FR carry dead people to Knock? Midnight Madness flights I do believe. Those flights kind of led a resurgence of the red eye Like said before, t
46 Post contains links USAFHummer : To help narrow it down further, Ryanair's site says that this is only permitted on the STN-Knock route (not from LTN or EMA)...from http://www.ryanai
47 Post contains links USAFHummer : After some googling, I turned up the following on the Ryanair carrying human remains thing: Fourth article down on this page seems to offer something
48 Post contains links RJdxer : Not unless they are cremated. And why would you ship cremated reamains if you were traveling with them? I'd just take the box on the plane with me. h
49 Pacallen : Wouldn't say it is restrictive at all. At WN we will take just about anything 200lbs or less except for dangerous goods and live animals. We ship jus
50 N1120A : This must be a new thing. Rosa Parks was carried un-cremated, though that may have been for history's sake. Also, a close family friend of mine was c
51 PanHAM : Rosa Parks was an exception of the rule. For the airline it was an honour to carry her remains. Take another example - Aryton Senna - his coffin was
52 N1120A : I don't know, do you consider fresh seafood "easy stuff"? WN carries pretty much anything you want as long as the floor can handle it and it fits wit
53 PanHAM : A box is a box. Fresh seafood, properly packed, is easily loadable. It does not create too much of a problem even if packed in dry ice, WNs business
54 GCDEG : When GoFly was still around they would carry cargo like prawns and seafish from the UK to Spain. When easyjet bought them over it continued for a few
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