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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

Is it possible that Skybus will start flying out of Houston soon? If so, do you think they'd choose HOU or EFD? IAH, obviously, is out of the question.


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6826 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5127 times:

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Thread starter):
Is it possible that Skybus will start flying out of Houston soon? If so, do you think they'd choose HOU or EFD? IAH, obviously, is out of the question.

Eh more likely they'd choose CLL and call it Houston/Austin/San Antonio/Waco/Killeen.


User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 2):
Eh more likely they'd choose CLL and call it Houston/Austin/San Antonio/Waco/Killeen.

Haha, I fly out of CLL quite often... It would nice to see a scheduled A319. Not just one of the many diverted ones.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5093 times:

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 3):
It would nice to see a scheduled A319. Not just one of the many diverted ones.

Who uses a A319 into Houston? CO is all Boeing and ERJ into IAH, AA is MD and Boeing into DFW and WN is 737 only to IAH.

Skybus might work better in AUS, in my opinion.



Little airports with the big jets are the best!! Floyd
User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 4):
Who uses a A319 into Houston?

Not sure how regular that was, but HP has flown mainline Airbuses into IAH before, I'm sure a few times it was an A319.


User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 4):
Who uses a A319 into Houston? CO is all Boeing and ERJ into IAH, AA is MD and Boeing into DFW and WN is 737 only to IAH.

I have seen an NW A319 UA A319s, and US A319s at CLL before... diverted from IAH because of weather. And WN is 737 to HOU. I've seen quite a few 757s too. We were lucky to have a BA777 there once too.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5078 times:
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F9 uses airbus, so does Taca and NW.

[Edited 2007-07-28 01:24:11]


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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

I thought I saw an AC A319 at IAH, but I could be wrong.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

I'd put my $$$ on Hobby.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

I'd say EFD or CLL, simply because they literally ARE secondary airports. Didn't CO end service to EFD recently?

User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
I'd say EFD or CLL, simply because they literally ARE secondary airports. Didn't CO end service to EFD recently?

I believe EFD isn't currently FAA certified for scheduled pax flights, IIRC there is currently no terminal.



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User currently offlineXJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

Is CXO FAA authorized for 121 service?

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 8):
I'd put my $$$ on Hobby.

WN would do everything possible to fight it from happening. Maybe even a Hutchinson admendment to protect their turf like they got for Love.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 3):
WN is 737 only to IAH.

News to the people at Hobby.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7361 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4884 times:
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Austin City Council is in talks to build a second terminal at AUS for LCC. Skybus and 2 other LCC are rumored to find a home here.

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User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

I noted in another thread that AUS was listed in their javascript source code on their website. I'm not stating that this is for sure so take it with A grain of salt.

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4655 times:

Plenty of airlines use A319s to Houston - TACA, Northwest, United, Frontier, US Airways-how can you NOT see one when you go to IAH


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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 12):
WN would do everything possible to fight it from happening. Maybe even a Hutchinson admendment to protect their turf like they got for Love.

The Wright Amendment protected AA, not WN. If WN was ask for something similar to the Wright Amendment to be put into place at HOU, all of the arguments they used to fight Wright at DAL would come back to haunt them.


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 14):
Austin City Council is in talks to build a second terminal at AUS for LCC. Skybus and 2 other LCC are rumored to find a home here.

There is no such news in any of the City Council watchblogs.

(I live in Austin...)



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User currently offlineIAHFLYER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 16):
Plenty of airlines use A319s to Houston - TACA, Northwest, United, Frontier, US Airways-how can you NOT see one when you go to IAH

Every time I go through IAH I am always on CO out of E. The airport must be big enough so that those birds get lost on the white plains of CO.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 13):
News to the people at Hobby.

Sorry about that, MAJOR typo, my bad.

Also, I have horror images of WN and Skybus banner wars in the Central Concourse now that the new A is not being built.



Little airports with the big jets are the best!! Floyd
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

I think CLL would suit them better then HOU or EFD....

flying into HOU, would entail Skybus competing almost directly with WN

flying into EFD (if its allowable) might work, but that means that they'd have to call their flight Columbus-Houston, and it would be difficult to get to any other city.

CLL however...is about 100 miles from Waco and Houston, and about 130 miles to San Antonio....Seems like a Skybus winner to me!


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7361 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4382 times:
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Quoting Brons2 (Reply 18):
There is no such news in any of the City Council watchblogs.

It's been discussed at Austin City Council meetings for a month now (LAC).

Austin American Statesman has had several articles on it.

I work at AUS in Operations.

I live in Austin also.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 3):
WN is 737 only to IAH.

You might want to change your name, you sure are not too aware of what is going on at IAH it seems!!!!   

Southwest stopped flying to IAH a long time ago, heck they don't even divert aircraft to IAH when HOU has weather issues.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 16):
Plenty of airlines use A319s to Houston - TACA, Northwest, United, Frontier, US Airways-how can you NOT see one when you go to IAH

Exactly! Bunch of busses around.

Quoting Da man (Reply 10):
I believe EFD isn't currently FAA certified for scheduled pax flights

EFD is Part 139 certified, unless they've lost it in the last month. EFD is used for IAH diverts from time to time so I imagine the city keeps the certification in place, also hoping for scheduled service to return.

I'd love to see competition in Houston, but with CO and WN deeply rooted in the city I'd hate to see Skybus get driven out as quite a few others have, primarily at HOU.

[Edited 2007-07-28 16:08:57]


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User currently offlineSkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

I have a novel suggestion that I know will get me royally flamed. How about a moratorium on threads as to where will Skybus fly next and lets see if they are a long term success in the markets they fly to now? The airline world is littered with startups that died because of rampant early over expansion. They should think about adding frequency to their existing destinations before they start flying into every GA airport under the sun. They've been in the air two months and people are already putting them into at least 10-15 new airports. Lets see how well they do and whether they can actually start paying for those 65 new Airbii that will require crowbars to wedge their pax into those 29" pitch seats.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6196 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

You think there is any demand for CMH-HOU/IAH? I'd think WN and CO have this covered if needed.


ASSFO



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25 N844AA : Is this part of the expansion master plan that was in place at the time Bergstrom was opened to passenger use? I don't remember the details, but I se
26 Tornado82 : Who thought there was any demand for CMH-GSO/RDU/CLT/whatever other cities in NC they claim GSO is?
27 Post contains images FlyingTexan : SWA does not need highly anti-competitive government intervention to thrive. They've done quite well on their own.
28 Post contains images ShannoninAMA : Sure, they have it covered, but do they have it covered at 10$ a ticket? Thats what im thinking skybus is aiming for. They know a lot of the markets
29 Post contains images ShannoninAMA : I can see them in EFD...after all, WN would do everything to keep them out of HOU, same for CO at IAH, so ill put my on EFD Shannon
30 Drerx7 : They would have to put some work into EFD though--there is no more commercial infrastructure there since CO Ex left.
31 Post contains images ExFATboy : I don't think WN is too worried about them - they didn't do anything to keep B6 out of HOU. Because it's just so damned fun!
32 Post contains images ShannoninAMA : Well, i can understand B6 getting in easily...its nothing new to the market, and nothing WN would be that terribly concerned about....Now Skybus is a
33 AS739X : $10 for only the first 10 seats sold. Personally I see Skybus venturing into other cities then Houston for right now. ASSFO
34 SkyyMaster : I see so many posts exclaiming the virtues about Skybus and their $10 tickets. Has anyone priced/purchased a full fare ticket on them yet? As pointed
35 Post contains images JerseyGuy : (The pax that were on the 32" pitch planes leased from Virgin America, are in for a surprise if they fly SX again)
36 SW733 : Out of the way to who? BLI may be out of the way to someone in Seattle, but what if they live in Ferndale or Mount Vernon or Bellingham itself. And w
37 Lear777 : Correct. However, the City of Houston would like jump at the opportunity to provide some minor infrastructure changes and cosmetic upgrades if it mea
38 Panaman : Well I guess a certain moderator here did not like me telling everyone to where in Houston Skybus will fly to, so I guess I'll say it again. Hobby, So
39 N1120A : You probably did at some point I didn't see them put up much of a fight at Burbank Protect their turf? They were the ones kept from expanding for so
40 ExFATboy : Apparently, enough! I just did a quick-and-dirty sample, and using a BLI outbound on 8/29 with a return on 9/5, here's what I got: Skybus BLI-CMH - $
41 WesternA318 : US, F9, Taca, NW, and UA do. I dont know the frequency of the US Airbii though...
42 AS739X : Out of curiosity, why doesn't anyone think that if SkyBus chooses Houston, why not Hobby? They do operate into some mid-size airports. OAK/BUR/SAN. Th
43 Drerx7 : Well EFD is slightly closer to the Galveston and Port of Houston Cruise terminals.
44 ATCT : Yea....but you'll never see me fly them. I hope they declare bankruptcy soon. Their pilot pay is horrifying. I cant believe the scabs will actually w
45 RFields5421 : They expanded exactly and as much as they wanted. WN's biggest priority at Love for the past 20 years I've been here watching them was to NOT elimina
46 Itsnotfinals : Not really they pay better than several other small airlines and that has been posted here many times. 1st year pay is 1st year pay at any airline. y
47 N1120A : No, I think the priority was not to move to the bloated mess that is DFW. Oh really? Then how do you explain the far greater expansion out of other a
48 RFields5421 : If you accept WN's public story, you can see exactly how much the restrictions at Love hurt them, how far behind the rest of the airline industry the
49 AS739X : By what, 15 miles? EFD is also farther from 90% of the Houston population, has no car rental facilties, will need etc.....To me it doesn't make sense.
50 SW733 : Enough that they are still in business and still flying that route
51 Drerx7 : Not sure about the 90% of the Houston population--its a little closer to Missouri City/Sugarland via the Beltway and the coastal communities are a li
52 Itsnotfinals : BLI has proven to be one of the strongest routes for Skybus, confounding so many of the "expert" armchair CEO's here, you gotta love it!
53 ATCT : As a former Regional Airline jumpseat corrodinator, I know what they deals are. Just because you have an agreement, doesnt mean the captain will let
54 Itsnotfinals : but the pilots know before they ask if the airline they are trying to jump on has a reciprocal and whether or not there is a jump agrement in place,
55 Post contains images N766UA : Judging by some of their other destinations, I'd say they'd more likely CRP and call it Houston. Honestly. Portsmouth, NH does not equal Boston, espe
56 Post contains links AS739X : Agreed if the price was right. It's not in theirs or the cities hand to have car rental service there. They need to convince a company like Hertz, Na
57 Post contains images ShannoninAMA : Indeed, it would just take a little "sprucing up" and remodeling and EFD would be ready for SX. Also remember, so far no announcement has said anythi
58 SkyyMaster : You are reading something into my posts that isn't there. I am not generalizing that all of their destinations are out of the way airports. Some are,
59 Itsnotfinals : How do you explain WN then? they have made that work for years in places like ONT, MHT, PVD and BWI
60 ScottB : Just exactly why would they "jump at the opportunity?" Houston is extremely well-served at the other two airports owned by HAS, and both HOU and IAH
61 Drerx7 : Because revenue is revenue...especially for EFD.
62 Lear777 : A lot of it will be keeping EFD relevant. GA traffic is on the increase, but USAF and NASA commitments are at times tenuous (though somewhat solid no
63 ScottB : But the revenue all goes into the same place ultimately -- HAS. Money coming in for EFD could just as easily come in for HOU or IAH. Arguably, becaus
64 JetBlueGuy2006 : On a side note, has anyone else noticed they haven't announced the new service to Nassau and Cancun[Edited 2007-07-30 20:58:40]
65 Itsnotfinals : I was approved the other day, and there was a link to an article in Columbus Dispatch. Basically they said they would start when they were ready and
66 Post contains images ShannoninAMA : True, however, If Skybus was to choose EFD and EFD was spruced up to support a commercial carrier such as SX, then it would look more attractive to N
67 SW733 : Agreed. I think, though, that they can keep some of their out of way markets as long as they keep adding major airports as well, such as they are doi
68 Post contains links and images Longhornmaniac : You are correct, there are plans to extend the existing concourse to the east, adding several more gates (exactly how many slips my mind at the momen
69 ExFATboy : Not a problem - if Hertz is willing to have an office at RUT for 2 Beech 1900Ds a day (one on Sat & Sun), I think one of the majors would be willing
70 Post contains images SW733 : Yeah the rental car situation is kind of a moot point. Keep in mind that it seems anyplace you are in the US, there is an Enterprise Rent-A-Car withi
71 SkyyMaster : 1. Southwest is not a solely leisure oriented airline, nor does it market itself as one like Skybust. True, WN did pioneer the use of little used air
72 Post contains images Itsnotfinals : Skybus is not 100% a leisure airline either to suggest that is laughable. I can see the website now "Please click on "I am only flying for leisure pu
73 SkyyMaster : I'm not going to argue with you dude. I have better things to do than debate the merits of Skybus, but thanks for the lively debate. Have an enjoyabl
74 Itsnotfinals : Well cool, have a great night![Edited 2007-07-31 04:25:11]
75 AS739X : Point taken! But as SW773 said it is a moot point. Well I stand by my opinion that its not going to happen. Heck i don't see SX in Houston soon, yet
76 Post contains images SW733 : 733 please, I don't have to compensate with a larger plane
77 ATCT : Exactly. MHT and PVD can each support traffic, I believe without calling it the "Boston Area". I flew to northern mass ALOT and would much rather do
78 Itsnotfinals : You would be incorrect and using the wrong definition. A Scab is someone who crosses a picket line or takes a union pilots jobs. period. they were wo
79 Iahflyr : Where did he say he didn't like aviation? Only that is is a sad time.....this kid lives, breathes, and talks aviation out the ass. He has studied and
80 SansVGs : [quote=Iahflyr,reply=79]He has studied and will do just fine financially in his career, trust me, I know the story and his road ahead.....and I've don
81 Itsnotfinals : Well by the negatively towards other trying to make a living in aviation he certainly is not helping the profession. I see he is in ATC from his profi
82 IAHFLYR : And I was simply referring to the term used "aviation" , not a specific career path. Thanks much for that, really wasn't attempting to lobby for supp
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