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Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy  
User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8396 times:

Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy; Selection Process To Start Mid-Aug

July 28, 2007: 08:13 AM EST

"NEW DELHI -(Dow Jones)- State-run carrier Air India said Saturday it plans to buy about 60 new commercial passenger aircraft over the next few years and aims to start the selection and purchase process by mid-August.

Air India, which is being merged with state-run Indian Airlines, ordered 68 Boeing Co. (BA) jets, worth over $11 billion at list prices, in December 2005 in a move to modernize its aging fleet."

Rest of the article is here: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...OWJONESDJONLINE000321_FORTUNE5.htm


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8347 times:

Looks like they will be ordering more Boeings since they already have 27 787-8s as well as 777LRs and 77Ws on order.
Maybe the A380 has still a chance.



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
Looks like they will be ordering more Boeings since they already have 27 787-8s as well as 777LRs and 77Ws on order.

Or maybe give Airbus a chance with the 330, concerning the availability factor.

Karan


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8242 times:

"State-run Air India may need another 60 new aircraft by 2011 to expand operations and meet growing demand, the firm's chairman said on Saturday."

The state-run carrier has already ordered a total of 43 new planes from Airbus and 68 from Boeing to be delivered over the next few years, with 25 of these to be added this year.

http://in.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idINIndia-28699320070728

Air India will also consider buying the Airbus A380, Patel said at the event.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...01091&sid=anpfvz5GuJ6c&refer=india

2011 doesn´t point to the 787 or a350.

Probably Boeing can offer interim 767´s or Airbus interim A330´s.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8232 times:

As I said in my other thread - there was a mention of the XWB by a senior official at the briefing today. But, there was a clarification that any order will take a while. The order will include all types - small narrow-bodies to VLA's.. According to PP, mid-08 is a reasonable time-frame for such an order!


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8154 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 3):
2011 doesn´t point to the 787 or a350.

Probably Boeing can offer interim 767´s or Airbus interim A330´s.

Did not read the 2011 part but wasn´t there a statement the other day here on the forum that Air India is interested in the A330s.
A330 and A380 would look good in Air Indias paint scheme  Smile



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

I think right now Air India is looking at a long-term buy of the A350XWB and the A380-800 to modernize its fleet. Air India could certainly use the A388 on its routes to Europe and North America.

User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8091 times:

So is this order just for more wide bodies or will there be any 737/A320 sized jets considered?


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8010 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 5):
Air India is interested in the A330s.

yup, but that was more with regards to Indian Airlines [IC] who are now merged with AI and will recieve 2 A330-200s around October this year on a minimum 3 year lease period.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 7):
So is this order just for more wide bodies or will there be any 737/A320 sized jets considered?

It will be both for about 30-35 WBs and around 20-25 NBs

Karan


User currently onlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1803 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7889 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 7):
So is this order just for more wide bodies or will there be any 737/A320 sized jets considered?

It should include an order for ERJ/CRJ/ATR type planes mainly intended for the domestic routes as IC's venerable old 732 are going to need replacement soon.

Further, the article says that the 'process will begin in mid-august'. Is this the beginning of the decade long 'process' involving numerous goverment committees and bureaucrats or will things move faster this time?

[Edited 2007-07-28 17:43:41]


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User currently offlineVivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 540 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 9):
It should include an order for ERJ/CRJ/ATR type planes mainly intended for the domestic routes as IC's venerable old 732 are going to need replacement soon.

IC only has 3 737-200s in active service and these are gradually being converted to freighters. These will be replaced by the current order of A319/320/321 aircraft. The new order will be over and above this.


User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7410 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 3):
2011 doesn´t point to the 787 or a350.

Probably Boeing can offer interim 767´s or Airbus interim A330´s.

Could new A330s be delivered by 2011? Don't know what their order backlog for the airplane is.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7353 times:

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 11):
Could new A330s be delivered by 2011? Don't know what their order backlog for the airplane is.

I think so; EI recently ordered some for 2009 delivery; it may even be possible to get some for 2008, particularly if there are cancellations of A340 orders; I wonder if the delivery slots for all of the cancelled EK A340-600s have been filled?

My prediction: 4-6 A380s, the balance 777s and 787s (of the widebodies); the narrowbodies will almost certainly be A32Xs.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7268 times:

I think there will be good variety for AI

My prediction is firming up of options of 787s, more 777s, perhaps a few A32Xs or 737NGs for Spicejet, and for the VLA I think the A380 will be the winner here. The Government is going big with Air India and I think the A380 will fit their needs perfectly offering unprecedented capacity and efficiency. Also it will be a matter of pride. Having not only a very modern and expensive fleet but also the largest commercial airliner!!

I'd be suprised for A350s honestly though. Perhaps in years to come they will replace the 777s if Boeing doesn't have a replacement ready themselves.

Does anyone have the figures as it now stands for the combines fleet types for AI and IA??

Cheers
AA1818



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

I'm sure their (68) a/c order back in Jan. 06' from Boeing included options/purchase rights. All the money that Boeing & GE are sinking into that deal I would think that would bare some weight in what they order.


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User currently offlineQslinger From India, joined Apr 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6098 times:

Would it be correct if I said that AI is ordering up all these planes because of stiff competition from private carriers like Jet Airways and Kingfisher. Will the govt play any part in controlling these private carriers growth or will it be a true competition?

How will the service match up with private carriers and the state run AI?

My personal experience, Jet Airways and IC services were good...AI personally don't know but heard plenty of bad things about it..

Qslinger



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5562 times:

So looks like some more B787/777 & maybe A330.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 597 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 16):

Yeah and probably some A380s or B748s too.

Cheers


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

I hope they order the 350-1000 variant, if that aircraft lives up to be as good as Airbus claims it is, it will be perfect for some of the heavy cargo/pax routes AI operates.

Karan


User currently offlineWorkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12):
it may even be possible to get some for 2008, particularly if there are cancellations of A340 orders; I wonder if the delivery slots for all of the cancelled EK A340-600s have been filled?

Are 345/346 slots the same as 332/333/343 slots? Does a 346 cancellation always mean that a 330 slots is freed up?


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 19):
Are 345/346 slots the same as 332/333/343 slots? Does a 346 cancellation always mean that a 330 slots is freed up?

This is my understanding; they are both built in the same "Clement Ader" facility at TOU. mind you, I think all or most of these production slots have been filled. Also, with AI getting 787s, the airline may only want 330s for a short term period, which means it might prefer to lease the 330s.

They'll certainly look smart in the new AI colours, although I'd prefer to see them in the new IC scheme!


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

My guess:

A32X
A330
A3510
A388

plus more 777s and 787s.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

well!! what sense will it make to have both B787 and A350XWB in the fleet???


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User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 22):
well!! what sense will it make to have both B787 and A350XWB in the fleet???

Well Aseem, it has been openly discussed that both the planes really do serve totally different purposes, and hence the talk of Qatar ordering lots of 787's.

Since im am assuming that the 350 is a larger plane and the 787, they basically can co-exist in an airlines fleet and do quite well.

regards
nitin



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 19):
Are 345/346 slots the same as 332/333/343 slots? Does a 346 cancellation always mean that a 330 slots is freed up?

From what i heard, the production lines for the 345/346 altough in the same plant are different than the 330/343 lines, if only there is a 343 cancellation can a 330 slot be free.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 20):
They'll certainly look smart in the new AI colours, although I'd prefer to see them in the new IC scheme!

I so agree with you

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 23):
they basically can co-exist in an airlines fleet and do quite well.

Bingo, especially a fleet of 788s to replace 310s and expansion
359 for 772 replacement
3510 for expansion and replacement of 77Ws down the line.

Karan


25 Post contains images BoogyJay : The B787 and A35X could easily coexist in the same fleet, I'd take B788, B789 + A359 and A3510 any day ... in my CEO armchair. Also, look at SQ, QR,
26 Post contains images Leskova : I can understand why they're starting another evaluation process now - considering how long it took last time for an actual order to be firmed... Whil
27 Cricket : Boeing is having a press briefing tomorrow on the state of the Indian market, I'm sure this will come up for discussion!
28 FLYGUY767 : Something along the lines of: 6 x A380 + 2 Option 10 x 777-300 + 4 Option 10 x A330-300 + 4 Option 10 x A350XWB + 4 Option 10 x A320 Just a thought...
29 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : Not understanding your Airbus charge here when AI made it clear with an 11 billion dollar order in Jan. 06' that they prefer Boeing for Long-haul ops
30 Post contains images FXramper : I like Boeing for AI. I haven't seen anything in the nature of their flleet management or the news for that matter that would hint at anything other t
31 UAL747-600 : I don't know why they would want to introduce a new fleet type with the A330? And with regards to A350-1000, why would the order this variant now when
32 Sammyk : In case you haven't noticed, Air India and Indian have merged thereby giving the resulting "new" Air India an Airbus narrowbody fleet. So Air India w
33 FLYGUY767 : They will order Airbus for the same reasons they will order Boeing ...POLITICS... Who here remembers the fit that was had when Air India was going to
34 AA1818 : Apologies for the error. I mean't AI Express. Had been viewing photos of SPicejet at the time of posting though. Many apologies again!! AA1818
35 Post contains links BoeingFever777 : Didn't think it was a done deal til August... Its hitting major roadblocks. http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/jul/25air.htm
36 Workhorse : So, who is right? Are 345/346 and 332/333/343 built on the same line? Does a 345/346 cancellation mean a 332/333 slot freed up?
37 Sammyk : Well, August is just three days away. Roadblocks are a part of any merger and I'm sure they'll resolve them somehow. There are already Airbus A32x ai
38 Post contains images Karan69 : Please read the whole sentence--i did say "down the line" by the time the first 3510 debuts their early AI 77Ws will be about 8-10 years old, and if
39 TWAtwaTWA : A lot of the old IA A300 birds may live a second life as freighter conversions under the umbrella of the new Air India. The potential freight market f
40 HAWK21M : With the A310 & B732 being converted to Freighter.There are too few A300s to be added. regds MEL
41 Mal787 : The amount of time it takes Air iIndia and the goverment to decide what to buy , Boeing will have both the 737 replacement and the Carbon Fibre versio
42 Scouseflyer : I beleive (but it is only from info posted on here) that there are two lines in the same building - the A345/6 line was built as an extension to buil
43 Columba : They are at least interested in the A330 and A380 so I think it is too early to say if there are going to be a Boeing carrier only. Tell that Avianca
44 EI321 : I thought the airline suddenly decided they would not consider 8 abreast aircraft half way through their evaluation of the 787 & 777 V's old A350 & A
45 Deaphen : With the amount of controversy shrouding the acquisition of the Boeing planes, i wouldnt be surpirsed to see an all Airbus order! If not for anythign
46 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..given how much Airbus pursued the order, almost to the point of insulting the Indian Govt./officials (via potential lawsuits, letters, etc), I'm no
47 EI321 : The airbus case at the time was that order should be examined. The airline asked both companys to submit proposals for long haul planes, and mysterio
48 Jacobin777 : ..that's fine and dandy, but it still doesn't take away the fact how Airbus pursued the RFP after the Indian Govt. decided to go with Boeing....
49 Post contains images Gr8Circle : I think a lot of people on this forum are quoting history to predict the future...not a bad idea, but not always accurate.....no doubt, govt. speed w
50 Post contains images Deaphen : Hey Guys: I have been told by a very very reliable source that this speculation about AI wantin to buy more planes in the coming months is absolute ru
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