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SFO Landings On The 1's And The Bart Station  
User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

I was at the mill brae Station the other day and getting into my car when i saw a 767 take off from the 1 L/R unways at SFO. Now i know that there are RARE times when planes will land on the 1's. If i were to be on top of the millbrae bart parking Garage, how close would i be to the planes and do they stil land there because of the garage because it seems pretty high up its about 5 or 6 stories tall.

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
when i saw a 767 take off from the 1 L/R unways at SFO.

Not trying to be picayune, but I think you're saying you saw the 767 take off from the 19s, correct?




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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

Nope... if they were taking off toward the bay, that would be taking off north - therefore the 1s. It doesn't matter what END they use but the direction of the flow. But you know that. The point was that he was interested in a possible north flow on landing as well.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 2):
But you know that.

I'm not a runway geek or a pilot, so no I don't really know that. As I said, I wasn't being picayune, but a while back I mentioned in a post about taking off on the 1s years ago, and I got 3 IMs saying "you do realize you were taking off on the 19s, right?" or words to that effect (one not said as nicely as that, however). Learn something new everyday!  Smile



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User currently offlineSiren From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5057 times:

Runway 19 departures are extremely rare (usually only during or before storms). The typical departure pattern for SFO is that Runway 01R/01L are used for the lighter aircraft (up to 767s - though the occasional 777 and 747 use it, and have seen the nightly Air France A340 go out on it). The real heavies depart on the 28s... which is the preferred runways used for landing.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6079 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

I assume Apollo is meaning that he saw a 767 depart the 1's, and it made him wonder about the 1 L/R arrivals.

Apollo, if so, the clearance is obviously more then enough. I'd venture to guess they are at 400 ft when passing the garage. Now they don't actually pass over the garage either, they pass just east of it as they finish the circle-to-land approach.

This approach is done MAYBE 4-5 times per year. Its very rare, but breathtaking to watch. (a mini Kai-Tak)

ASSFO



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
I was at the mill brae Station the other day and getting into my car when i saw a 767 take off from the 1 L/R unways at SFO. Now i know that there are RARE times when planes will land on the 1's. If i were to be on top of the millbrae bart parking Garage, how close would i be to the planes and do they stil land there because of the garage because it seems pretty high up its about 5 or 6 stories tall.

..still a bit far..BayShore Park is still probably one of the best locals for watching arrivals on the 1's...

Quoting Siren (Reply 4):
Runway 19 departures are extremely rare

..quite rare indeed...Norcal773 was lucky enough to fly on a JL B744 which took off from the 19's...he has a trip report on it, but unfortunately, his super-duper amazing point-and-shoot camera died before he could take some photos..so much for relying on him... duck 

Quoting Siren (Reply 4):
The typical departure pattern for SFO is that Runway 01R/01L are used for the lighter aircraft (up to 767s - though the occasional 777 and 747 use it, and have seen the nightly Air France A340 go out on it).

.....the mornings are great to watch a lot of heavies depart from the 1's...including B767's, B777's and B747's (primarily UA).....though I have seen a few BA's and VS' B744's depart from 1R....in fact, my very 1st post on A.net was about this subject.. biggrin 

In my 100 times being at BayShore Park, I've never seen AF's A340 take off from there..I have seen NW's A330 take off from there however..



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6079 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4937 times:

I don't find the 19 departures to be very rare at all. The winter time bring many days that 19L/R is used for departures. During the El Nino year we went a whole month with 19 departures everyday. And I recall a storm 2 years ago that held the Asia heavies from departing for 2 days. The 1 arrivals is about as odd as 10 arrivals. S.F. weather just doesn't seem to warrant certain patterns very often.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 7):
I don't find the 19 departures to be very rare at all. The winter time bring many days that 19L/R is used for departures. During the El Nino year we went a whole month with 19 departures everyday. And I recall a storm 2 years ago that held the Asia heavies from departing for 2 days. The 1 arrivals is about as odd as 10 arrivals. S.F. weather just doesn't seem to warrant certain patterns very often.

...over a period of 365 days, its still a rare sight.......arrivals on 19's are much more frequent..


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User currently offlineSiren From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
I've never seen AF's A340 take off from there..I have seen NW's A330 take off

Heh, our experience is the exact opposite. It was the December 24th, 2006 AF A340 that went out on 01R - I was out photographing that night. Could have been New Year's Eve. Here's a photo.  Wink

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F-GLZL rolling for takeoff, SFO rwy 01R, 24.12.06


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6079 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):

8 months of the year its a rare sight, your correct. But if your here during the winter, it almost a guarantee that they will be doing 19 departure a least a few times a week if storms are rolling in. I know you have spent a lot of time here, and I myself doing Ops here for 9 years and living in Burlingame under the flight path, I've had more then enough days of restricted take-off weights for 19 departures.

Unfortunatly there are not many pictures of it since its useally pooring when they do depart that way. Smile

ASSFO



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6750 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4687 times:

Getting back to the original question-- I'm guessing they built the garage low enough to allow 1R arrivals. It's maybe 3000 ft from the threshold and ... 80 ft higher than the runway?

How's that compare with San Diego, anyway?


User currently offlineN593HA From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

I went spotting last week Friday on top of the Millbrae BART station garage and I got checked out by security (BART police), but the officer was really friendly and not even asked for an ID or so. He just asked if I was doing it as a hobby or for a school report. And when he left, he just said, that I should enjoy the resat of my time here.
I'm really happy, that you are NOT treated like a terrorist when doing plane spotting at or near SFO and I hope that it stays that way in the future.

Regards
N593HA



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User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

I totally believe you guys that they sometimes depart on the 19's (although whenever I see them landing on the 19's, they're departing on the 10's), but regarding landing on the 1's, there don't seem to be any published approaches, and I've checked multiple independent sources. Do they really ever land on the 1's? If so, what kind of approaches do they fly, visual only?

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6750 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Quoting 3201 (Reply 13):
what kind of approaches do they fly [to runways 1], visual only?

That's for sure. Ordinarily they fly the usual runway 28 approach to the San Mateo bridge (or maybe inside it) then circle to the south. Someone said he had seen a 747 (?) arrive on 1R after a straight-in approach, but no one's ever confirmed that.

My impression is, you can go thru a whole winter without seeing any runway-1 arrivals.


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4557 times:

Quoting 3201 (Reply 13):
Do they really ever land on the 1's? If so, what kind of approaches do they fly, visual only?

There are no ILS beacons on the 1s.



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User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 15):

There are no ILS beacons on the 1s.

That was in fact one of the sources I was talking about. Further down on the list of approaches, no RNAV/GPS either.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Quoting Siren (Reply 9):
Heh, our experience is the exact opposite. It was the December 24th, 2006 AF A340 that went out on 01R - I was out photographing that night. Could have been New Year's Eve. Here's a photo.  Wink

....you lucky bugger....I have yet to see one rotate off the 1's..I'll have to drive to SFO more often in the winter season.... yes 

Quoting AS739X (Reply 10):

8 months of the year its a rare sight, your correct. But if your here during the winter, it almost a guarantee that they will be doing 19 departure a least a few times a week if storms are rolling in. I know you have spent a lot of time here, and I myself doing Ops here for 9 years and living in Burlingame under the flight path, I've had more then enough days of restricted take-off weights for 19 departures.

..considering I live in the Bay Area, I should be around during the winter, unless I'm out of town which I am 1/2 the time.... Wink

Guess I'll have to drive to SFO every day until I get my bloody photos.. biggrin 

Quoting N593HA (Reply 12):
I'm really happy, that you are NOT treated like a terrorist when doing plane spotting at or near SFO and I hope that it stays that way in the future.

...speak for yourself, if you look somewhat Arabic like me and have a beard (as I did at the time of this photograph).....well....


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User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

I was in San Mateo last week and flew back on Friday. Most of the week they have been using exclusively the 28s for take-off and landings. Winds were around 20 kts from the north (300-360).

MB


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):

Do you ever not plug your own pictures?!?



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User currently offlinePr1268 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

I just knew that there are some photos of takeoffs on the 19s or landings on the 1s in the database...


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 19):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):

Do you ever not plug your own pictures?!?

..as long as its relevant to the thread, then why not?



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6750 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

The blue UA 744 with the "South San Francisco" sign in the background is apparently landing runway 10.

User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 22):
The blue UA 744 with the "South San Francisco" sign in the background is apparently landing runway 10

You are correct, sir.



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
..quite rare indeed...Norcal773 was lucky enough to fly on a JL B744 which took off from the 19's...he has a trip report on it, but unfortunately, his super-duper amazing point-and-shoot camera died before he could take some photos..so much for relying on him...

You're right, luckiest day on a plane that day, couldn't believe it. Reason I have no pics because the weather was in the crapper and couldn't see the ground 100 feet after take off.! All I know is we were light as a bird because we rotated right after where 19's meet the 28's, did a 270 degrees turn and we were off and running. Believe it or not, a UA 777 was lined up to take off of 10R and I was confused whether to get excited about out 19 departure or be jealous of the guys on the UA 777.  biggrin  Jacobin777 is right though, my camera's battery was dead Sad

Quoting AS739X (Reply 10):
Unfortunatly there are not many pictures of it since its useally pooring when they do depart that way

You're right, it was pouring that day. This was a week of firsts for me because 5 days before, we had landed on 19L while on a NW A330 early in the morning from NRT.  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Guess I'll have to drive to SFO every day until I get my bloody photos..

Ooh no, not more photos for you to plug into every thread.  duck 

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 19):
Do you ever not plug your own pictures?!?

Umm, no!

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
..as long as its relevant to the thread, then why not?

Phuleeease!  biggrin 



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