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No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?  
User currently offlineWindowplease From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12587 times:

I'm told that our PM has underlined his "modest man" status - in marked opposition to Mr Blair - by flying to see W in a plane that shock, horror doesn't have F class.

Must be a 767. Any spotters clock it this morning?

Might be that BA didn't have one spare at the height of the high season. But interesting nonethless...

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21798 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12479 times:

Quoting Windowplease (Thread starter):
I'm told that our PM has underlined his "modest man" status - in marked opposition to Mr Blair - by flying to see W in a plane that shock, horror doesn't have F class.

If he charters the whole plane himself, I really don't see why a private 767 is so much worse than a private 777. With the way J classes are these days, is it that much of a step down from F?

-Mir



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12399 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
If he charters the whole plane himself, I really don't see why a private 767 is so much worse than a private 777. With the way J classes are these days, is it that much of a step down from F?

Incase he flies BA yes, he would sit like in a flat sardine can. But incase he got the BA763 they are equiped with F


User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12218 times:

I think he could underline his modesty even more by just chartering a smaller aircraft. A BBJ oder ACJ should just be fine to get him and his staff to Camp David. Blair frequently used a variety of private, chartered jets. I recall BBJs and even a DC-8.

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12156 times:

We still need executive transport. What was so wrong with Blair Force One?

User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12156 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 2):
Incase he flies BA yes, he would sit like in a flat sardine can. But incase he got the BA763 they are equiped with F

Not any more........they have been configured J/W/M for a while now.......no F/J/M configurations left now.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12136 times:

Quoting Windowplease (Thread starter):
I'm told that our PM has underlined his "modest man" status

It's the same stupidity of Jimmy Carter 30 years ago. Stripping Air Force One of amenities so he would be seen as a modest man. Stripping the airplane of course cost money, but it was all for show anyway.

Sorry to see you have the same sort of bloke as your new PM. Hope your nation comes out of this term better than the USA did from 77-81...



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3658 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11960 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):

He's so careful with his money he'll undoubtedly take his amenity kit home.


User currently offlineSpruit From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11746 times:

He left on


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Maybe BA we're short on T7's?

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User currently offlineVinniewinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11726 times:

At the back of the plane there will be loads of journalists anyway! So if there are enough journalists and nbr 10 staff why not use a 777! After all the 777 provides more capacity!

In this case i reckon it is simply a case of not enough people travelling with him!


I might be wrong...


User currently offlineIflyac From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11621 times:

Didn't Blair and family often fly regular BA commercial flights when crossing the pond? I'm sure they opted for F, not only for comfort, but to control the environment for security reasons.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17112 posts, RR: 66
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11593 times:

I may be wrong but I think a 777 might have a hard time landing on the lawn at Camp David. A 767 would probably be more appropriate.


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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11427 times:

Quoting Spruit (Reply 8):
He left on

G-BNWN - a pretty appropriate registration!



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11391 times:

Quoting Iflyac (Reply 10):
Didn't Blair and family often fly regular BA commercial flights when crossing the pond? I'm sure they opted for F, not only for comfort, but to control the environment for security reasons.

Yes they did. They even were on a flight to MIA last christmas I think when tires bursted while landing or the plane came off runway something along those lines. It was a 744 if I remember and a normal comerical flight.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26021 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11356 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 12):
G-BNWN - a pretty appropriate registration!

I still prefer the A320 -- G-BUSH  bigthumbsup 


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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11084 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 13):
Quoting Iflyac (Reply 10):
Didn't Blair and family often fly regular BA commercial flights when crossing the pond? I'm sure they opted for F, not only for comfort, but to control the environment for security reasons.

Yes they did. They even were on a flight to MIA last christmas I think when tires bursted while landing or the plane came off runway something along those lines. It was a 744 if I remember and a normal comerical flight.



I was at South Beach the same time as Blair last year... he flew on a regularly scheduled BA 747 flight, the pilot became confused on landing - with regards to lights or some such and simply drove right off the end. There was a hysterical clip the miami news played with a statement from the pilot saying "the lights at MIA are confusing and unclear and this was the cause of the accident." followed by a clip of an MIA spokesman at a press conference saying "every other pilot manages not to go off the end of the runway, i think the lights are just fine."

I know that during his presidency, Richard Nixon flew out to california for, i believe a funeral in the family, on a regularly scheduled UA flight to save money. I wish politicians did this more often. Hell, Brown could have even taken a BA 757... it could reach camp david from LHR.



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User currently offlineRayPettit From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10813 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 15):
I know that during his presidency, Richard Nixon flew out to california for, i believe a funeral in the family, on a regularly scheduled UA flight to save money

Didn't Blair take an ordinary easyjet flight a few years back when on a private holiday? Maybe just to show that Tony was one of us !

Even now, he'll still have his security men with him, whether on business or on holiday.

As for Gordon Brown, as I understand it the journalists fares have to be paid by the media, and so that keeps the costs down whilst maintaining security.

Ray


User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10369 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 4):
We still need executive transport. What was so wrong with Blair Force One?

I'm on this side of the pond and I'm inclined to agree. You'd think the Prime Minister of England could be provided with an executive transport with legs long enough to get him where he needs to go. Air Force One is a U.S. icon where ever it goes. Why shouldn't England's Prime Minister be able to fly the flag in similar manner?



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User currently offlineAwthompson From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10259 times:

Quoting RayPettit (Reply 16):
Didn't Blair take an ordinary easyjet flight a few years back when on a private holiday? Maybe just to show that Tony was one of us !

You could also be correct however you are probably thinking of Ryanair. In Mr. O'Learys book about the history of Ryanair and the Ryan family, he refers to Tony Blair (during his time as PM) and the family going to Italy on holiday on one of his flights from Stansted. He boasts that he warned his staff to ensure that Mr. Blair and family paid in full for everything including their coffee and snacks! However I am sure that Tony had every intention of paying up anyhow!

That book is really worth reading for anyone who can get a copy. It is just titled 'Ryanair'.


User currently offlineCAMPBELL From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9902 times:

President Nixon and family flew on United flight 55 from Dulles to Los Angeles in December 1972

User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 757 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9812 times:

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 17):
You'd think the Prime Minister of England

What happened to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland lol


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9724 times:

How many people does he bring along?


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4936 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9713 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 12):
G-BNWN - a pretty appropriate registration!

A pity this one couldn't make it.....  Wink

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Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 17):
You'd think the Prime Minister of England could be provided with an executive transport with legs long enough to get him where he needs to go.

And so much the better if it would be this.....  Smile

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User currently offlineSeafleet From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9373 times:

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 17):
You'd think the Prime Minister of England

What happened to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland lol

Ha Ha
Rather ironic given Brown is scottish by birth


User currently offlineBAOPS777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 8442 times:

The reason could be due to shortage of 777. i know they are currently operating without 3 777. One a/c was involved in a incident with a A321. The 777 clipped the wing of the 777 as it was being pushed back and the A321 was pulling on stand.

http://www.uk-airport-news.info/heathrow-airport-news-290707b.htm

Also I believe two are in CWL for there annual checks.

However with all the media coverage about the new proposed 40GBP tax on all flights from the uk to offset co2

http://www.uk-airport-news.info/gatwick-airport-news-230707.htm

I hope Mr Brown is offsetting his carbon foot print.


25 AAFLT1871 : But while in the U.S, he will be protected by the Secret Service Same is done here to the media who flies aboard Air Force One. The price equals roug
26 Starlionblue : Really? Wow, I thought they actually landed on the lawn... Well, thanks for setting me right.
27 AAFLT1871 : That was not directed towards you but to our friends in the U.K that might be unfamiliar with Camp David that there is no runway there.
28 Glom : There's nothing English about the man. He represents a Scottish constituency, which means he's not accountable to a single English vote. He is to be
29 Imag : I noticed that too... Is it BA staff having a little joke with themselves or happy coincidence?!?
30 Swiftski : As is Blair.
31 Hotelmode : There have been several aircraft do exactly the same thing in the same place its just they didnt have the Prime Minister on board. The NTSB guy actua
32 Post contains images Helvknight : nah, much better At least the wings will be made in the UK.
33 SapphireLHR : Only 59 pax on the aircraft including Number 10 staff and the media. Even if the number was greater BA still had a problem with a 777 as 6 are in for
34 Starlionblue : Ok...
35 Post contains images MBJ2000 : For those unfamiliar with Camp David at all: Is Camp David somewhere near Camp Krusty in the middle btw Springfield and Shelbyville?
36 Bobski : Because despite what Tony might have wanted everyone to think, the PM of the UK is not the Head of State and thus is not entitled to a lavish persona
37 F4f3a : did he leave from lhr ? because i did see a BA 767 at LTN the other day which was unusual. I
38 Spruit : Yes he departed LHR From the Royal Suite! Cheers, Spru![Edited 2007-07-30 15:50:50]
39 Glom : What a badass she is!
40 Post contains images DEVILFISH : But also much later. The PM might be out of office before it enters service. The 788 has it beat. Its parts will be made everywhere.
41 Post contains images Highflier92660 : With the sticky wicket of Iraq and George W. Bush's popularity in historically low numbers, I think Brown was in no hurry to cross the pond. A nice le
42 Klkla : Aaah... but will he still be PM by the time they finally finish making changes to the design of it and actually get around to building it (j/k) ?
43 Revelation : I hope you are too. With every breath you take, you're taking in O2 and outputting CO2. Hope you've planted lots of trees to take in your CO2 and put
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