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America West 757 Engine Shutdown Over The Pacific!  
User currently offlineShootTheMoon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 23094 times:

Was just checking the Honolulu Advertiser and noticed that they posted an article about a 757 shutting down an engine in route to the islands and was diverted to Hilo. Does anyone have further information on this incident? Must have been scary for the pilots.

"An America West Boeing 757 flight from Las Vegas to Honolulu was diverted to Hilo this weekend when one of its two engines shut down after experiencing vibrations.

The flight landed in Hilo at 8:51 p.m. without incident, Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor said. The FAA is investigating the incident, Gregor said.

"Manufacturers have shown that their aircraft can fly long distances on one engine," Gregor said. "That's why we let them do it."

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...e/2007/Jul/30/br/br9326054817.html

[Edited 2007-07-31 01:12:38]

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User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 23039 times:

You mean a US Airways 757 right...???


I Love HNL.............
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 23039 times:

Quoting ShootTheMoon (Thread starter):
Was just checking the Honolulu Advertiser and noticed that they posted an article about a 757 losing an engine in route to KLAS and was diverted to Hilo. Does anyone have further information on this incident? Must have been scary for the pilots

The 757 was travelling, per the article, from LAS to HNL (not enroute to LAS)....the 757 did not ""lose"" an engine (it did not explode or fall off, etc), one engine was shut down by the pilots due to vibrations. The airplane landed at Hilo since it was the first airport available. Engine shutdowns, especially over water, are not a good thing, but airplanes are designed and powered to accommodate such situations. And, that is why ETOPS rules exist.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 23010 times:

Quoting Socal (Reply 1):
You mean a US Airways 757 right...???

HP/US sill operates on two seperate certificates.


User currently offlineStarGuy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 23010 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
The 757 was travelling, per the article, from LAS to HNL (not enroute to LAS)....the 757 did not ""lose"" an engine (it did not explode or fall off, etc), one engine was shut down by the pilots due to vibrations.

LOL! I was going to say. My first response was OMG! But then I realised that it didn't actually fall off.


User currently offlineShootTheMoon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 22864 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
""lose"" an engine (it did not explode or fall off, etc), one engine was shut down by the pilots due to vibrations.

I shall change the title of the post.


User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 22814 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
the 757 did not ""lose"" an engine (it did not explode or fall off, etc), one engine was shut down by the pilots due to vibrations.

Bit picky - don't think many would actually think..."ooh, wow, an engine fell into the Pacific!" More..."Hmm, engine shutdown, interesting!"

Still - not what you need at the best of times...



flying is the safest form of transport - until humans get involved!
User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22716 times:

I wonder how far out from the islands they were... i.e. how long after the engine shutdown it took for them to fly to Hilo. Does anyone know the flight number?

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
HP/US sill operates on two seperate certificates.

Let's not split hairs here. It's an America West flight in terms of the operating certificate, but it's a US Airways flight in terms of marketing. It's just like arguing over whether a flight is a Mesa flight or a United Express flight. Same thing, different definitions.


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22702 times:

Quoting ShootTheMoon (Thread starter):
An America West Boeing 757 flight from Las Vegas to Honolulu

Author needs to check his facts. HP doesn't have a LAS-HNL flight. There's LAS-OGG or PHX-HNL, but no LAS-HNL.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22662 times:

Quoting ShootTheMoon (Reply 5):
I shall change the title of the post.

Cool.

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 6):
Bit picky - don't think many would actually think..."ooh, wow, an engine fell into the Pacific!"

Really? How about this:

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 4):

LOL! I was going to say. My first response was OMG! But then I realised that it didn't actually fall off.

An engine shutdown due to virbrations is a very different thing than "losing an engine" - especially for the crew and pax on the subject aircraft. The OP correctly changed the title of the post.

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 7):
Let's not split hairs here

Is it splitting hairs? HP and US are technically still operating as two different airlines.......the subject flight was an America West and not a US Airways flight.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21419 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22592 times:

Quoting ShootTheMoon (Thread starter):
Does anyone have further information on this incident? Must have been scary for the pilots.

If it was scary for the pilots, then they shouldn't be pilots.

It's not a huge deal to shut down an engine on an ETOPS aircraft. Obviously, it's a little more nerve racking, since there is the very, very, very remote possibility that the other engine could fail. But not scary.

I was on an engine shutdown on a DL 757, and the pilots said they would have liked to just continue on to LAX but were not allowed to pass up LAS since we were close to it. Considering the ensuing delays at LAS, I'd have much rather they flew on to LAX too...  Wink



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22591 times:

Just because they operate on two diffrent cert's, still it's US Airways.


I Love HNL.............
User currently offlineJoeAirbus From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22591 times:

I know that there are no LAS flights on HP that go to HNL and that some of the above statement is not correct. I will find out more info. 906AW is the equipment in question

User currently offlineJoeAirbus From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22538 times:

Check that last 1,908AW is in ITO awaiting a replacement for the #1 eng.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22468 times:

Quoting Socal (Reply 11):
Just because they operate on two diffrent cert's, still it's US Airways.

Legally they're still 2 separate companies until their operating certificates are merged. If you book a US flight e.g. PHX-HNL it shows "Operated by America West Airlines", as with any other codeshare operation.


User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22442 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
If you book a US flight e.g. PHX-HNL it shows "Operated by America West Airlines", as with any other codeshare operation.

Yea on US Airways website, since there is NO America West Airlines website.



I Love HNL.............
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22349 times:

Quoting Socal (Reply 15):
Yea on US Airways website, since there is NO America West Airlines website.

Whether or not America West still maintains a website is conclusive of..........nothing. Legally, America West still remains a seperate airline from US until US and HP merge their operating certificates.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
Legally they're still 2 separate companies until their operating certificates are merged. If you book a US flight e.g. PHX-HNL it shows "Operated by America West Airlines", as with any other codeshare operation

Exactly.


User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22209 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
Whether or not America West still maintains a website is conclusive of..........nothing. Legally, America West still remains a seperate airline from US until US and HP merge their operating certificates.

Any NORMAL person will understand that America West merged with US Airways, it say's so in it's website. All that matters it's that US Airways runs the SHOW. Your 2 cert explanation is conclusive of..........nothing, since US Airways is responsible for everything........



I Love HNL.............
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22104 times:

Quoting Socal (Reply 15):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
If you book a US flight e.g. PHX-HNL it shows "Operated by America West Airlines", as with any other codeshare operation.

Yea on US Airways website, since there is NO America West Airlines website.

Yes, from a marketing point of view they have merged, but until the certificates are merged, flights on former HP routes are still being operated by former HP aircraft and crews and vice versa for former US routes. I agree that the average passenger doesn't care bout this but behind the scenes they are still two legal entities with separate union contracts etc. etc. It's the same with all airline mergers. It usually takes quite a while before all those issues are resolved and they can integrate everything, although they do their best to look like one company to their customers.


User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22029 times:

I was working at KOA when we got a call from HNL asking us if we could send someone over to help (AQ Contract Services).

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 7):
I wonder how far out from the islands they were... i.e. how long after the engine shutdown it took for them to fly to Hilo. Does anyone know the flight number?

It was US22 (PHX-HNL). They were about 2 hours from ITO when they pilot shut down the engine due to vibrations.

Quoting JoeAirbus (Reply 13):
Check that last 1,908AW is in ITO awaiting a replacement for the #1 eng.

It is indeed 908 - the same plane that had to come back to KOA about six months ago - after the pilot had to shut down the engine for a similiar reason. Too scary.


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22009 times:

Did any of you people get my point? My point is that you're all correct. It's America West. It's US Airways. It depends who you ask. The government will say it's America West, as will Air Traffic Control, and so forth. The passengers and the airline itself will say it's US Airways. That's because the definition varies for marketing purposes.

Just as I said before: A certain flight can be both Mesa Airlines and United Express. Same goes for, say, Expressjet and Continental Express. And, of course, the same goes for America West and US Airways. In fact, here is a photo of the aircraft in question:
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Photo © Dave Budd - Las Vegas Spotters

What does that say on the side of the plane? It says US Airways. But, if you were to look up the flight in question on Flightaware, it would say America West. This is such a pointless discussion. Why does this happen any time something happens on an HP-coded flight? Christ.

Anyway, does anyone know what the flight number was? I actually can't find it on flightaware, probably because it's not operated everyday, and it's been more than 24 hours.


User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 21926 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 20):
Anyway, does anyone know what the flight number was? I actually can't find it on flightaware, probably because it's not operated everyday, and it's been more than 24 hours.

It was 22 (PHX-HNL)


User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 21915 times:

Thanks for the pic....AlexPorter


I Love HNL.............
User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 21658 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
Engine shutdowns, especially over water, are not a good thing, but airplanes are designed and powered to accommodate such situations. And, that is why ETOPS rules exist

Not a big deal, at all, not life threatening.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
If it was scary for the pilots, then they shouldn't be pilots.

Precisely, there is standard procedure for dealing with this stuff as mentioned it is extremely rare for the aircraft to "lose" both engines. That is why they have ETOPS.



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 21564 times:

Quoting Socal (Reply 17):
US Airways runs the SHOW.


NO, they are gone (except for the memory of a piss poor airline management of Rangesh Gangwal (Now CEO of Indigo airlines in India) and Steven Wolf. The 2 of them ruined US and no one could fix it until HP bought them out.

HP bought out US Airways, HP chose to keep the name US Airways and the headquarters is now in HP's home town of Tempe, Az.

HP runs HP and US Operating certificates

[Edited 2007-07-31 03:38:09]

25 Post contains images RB211TriStar : Man, you guys like to argue the most meaningless stuff and then go in circles like you're in the pattern! Funny part is... every one of you knew the e
26 Post contains links Itsnotfinals : Rolls Royce RB211' Not sure which one it actally was but they both have RB211's http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...=906AW&cmndfind.x=15&cmndfind.
27 ACVitale : If this is in fact the same aircraft twice in six months that is a little concerning. More importantly would be how many in flight engine shut-downs h
28 Travatl : Damn skippy - that's the M.O. at Airliners.net these days - and one of the primary reasons I spend less and less time posting here. As for the TOPIC
29 Tcfc424 : I understand that it is splitting hairs whether it is HP/US, however, for our purposes and for the purpose of this post, isn't it important? If the fl
30 Tornado82 : And this would be a good reason to keep the certificates separate, as losing ETOPS authority would definitely impact the PHL-Europe flights as well i
31 Travatl : Uh, no. This is AIRLINERS.NET, we all know who the aircraft belongs to. Just more triviality to be argued below the meaningless point it is.
32 Itsnotfinals : Not really, many people here do not know that so they come here to learn.
33 Tornado82 : Actually no. CO Express includes flights run by Chautauqua, and Skywest doesn't own an ERJ in the whole fleet. For the other point, the flying public
34 OPNLguy : If it was the same engine, maybe. Unlike automobiles (where the same engine is usually mated to the same car during its entire lifespan), aircraft en
35 Travatl : Seriously? This is an argument? One clarification post is all it would take. I'm referring to the incessant, needless, ongoing, trivial, immature arg
36 WesternA318 : The side of the plane says US AIrways...case closed
37 HPRamper : What was this thread about again?
38 Itsnotfinals : I agree with you, total crap many times, people posting "I heard this, or I think that" If people would do a Google search they would just know and n
39 Laxintl : Which will be soon. Sept 27th to be exact.
40 Flighty : "Losing an engine" is perfectly acceptable aviation jargon that means "engine shutdown." Even seven year old girls know what "losing an engine" means.
41 Flighty : Not in all cases. Anyway, I am glad they made it to Hilo. Personally, I would not enjoy the experience. It was probably a rather lengthy ride with on
42 Flighty : Sure there is. HP has some really old 757s doing ETOPS Hawaii runs (1984 or so?), while US East only uses quite new 1996-2000 build 757s for their ET
43 IFLYjets : what date this this actually happen? my best friend was working flight 22 on the 28th.
44 Itsnotfinals : US will be call sign cactus also, after the operating certificates merge 1989 for the aircraft involved N908AW Aircraft Description Serial Number 242
45 OPNLguy : Assuming they were LAS-OGG, that's about 2,600 miles, about 2,400 of which are overwater. If they lost the engine at the mid-point, that's about 1,20
46 Wukka : Personally, I'd be more comfortable knowing that it's the same engine... now it's time for the mechs to pull that thing off the wing and break it dow
47 OPNLguy : Yep.. I presume they're flying in the replacement engine, and the failed one will leave the same way...
48 Post contains images AirframeAS : Social, until the two certs merge, its still an HP operated flight with HP crews wearing HP uniforms with HP interiors using HP metal.... need I say
49 Jetfixr757 : No doubt that's an engine change, Rolls engines are not good with vibration or engine compressor stalls, however you know the true meaning of ETOPS??
50 707lvr : ShootTheMoon indicated he read about this in the Advertiser, and the story doesn't seem to have been picked up elsewhere. I wonder what the shutdown s
51 Post contains links AirTranTUS : It was the 28th. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...2/history/20070728/2350Z/KPHX/PHNL
52 Crjflyer35 : The endless dead horse beating around here is enough to make anyone jump off a bridge.....I work for HP, but wear a US uniform...OMFG!!!!!! Someone go
53 Post contains images AirframeAS : I feel for you bro, I feel for you! Have some booze on me!
54 Post contains images Iflyswa : ...just ask CodyKDiamond. No doubt, he'd know what to do if faced with this situation! lol iflyswa
55 Post contains images PHLapproach : ROFL Ok, yes this whole America West thing/ US Airways thing has gotten pretty stupid. How bout we split it right down the middle and say it how all
56 Post contains links and images Je89_w : On the side note, there was a US Airways/America West B752 parked on some very remote area of OGG. However, the registration of that one was N903AW no
57 Post contains images HPRamper : Really? I work for US, but wear an HP uniform. Go figure
58 RB211TriStar : Probably the most meaningful statement in this totally ridiculous discussion about HP/US. That being said, its still not enough reason to keep the ce
59 Leothedog : Some of you guys here just crack me up. Anyway, if you think it was scary for the pilots, just think how the PASSENGERS must have felt. I know the pla
60 Norcal773 : Not really, they're trained to deal with it accordingly like they did in this case.
61 YHMYYZspotter : I agree. I bet 95% of the people on that plane don't even know what ETOPS is or give a damn about it, or know anything about how a jet works. I know
62 Post contains images AirframeAS : Hmmm....that makes it sound like the phone company (Old name but is now Qwest) has their own airline!
63 Post contains images Pilotaydin : then they haven't seen anything yet
64 Coa747 : Interesting how far we have come from the days when four engined piston liners like the Boeing 377 Stratocruiser and the DC-6 plied the west coast to
65 YHMYYZspotter : What exactly is this?
66 Post contains links OPNLguy : She was a ship (the Cutter Pontchartrain), stationed at a fixed point. Provided weather info and upper air observations, IIRC.... Scroll about halfwa
67 Post contains images Ikramerica : Having been in that situation, I know how they felt. Most people don't even know enough to be scared or not scared... The pax on the DL flight did no
68 ArcrftLvr : That's A/C 906AW, according to others on here, the aircraft in question is 908AW. Uh-oh, expect the 'know-it-alls' to correct you that it is 'not a m
69 Ikramerica : no, not if it takes longer to fly there due to winds. of course here, it would be reverse. the go-no-go point for LAX-Hilo is somewhere closer to Hil
70 Post contains images ArcrftLvr : Makes perfect sense. See how easy that was everyone...
71 WesternA318 : I have seen it, many a time, but I seriously doubt the regular passenger in 21A will say...well we had an incident aboard a US AIrways "operated by A
72 YHMYYZspotter : Actually I was just going to ask would a passenger notice an engine shut down? I am assuming it would get much quieter in the cabin right?
73 TropicBird : Contrary to published reports, the engine was not shut down but was flown at idle the remainder of the flight.
74 Flighty : Thanks for sharing. That does change the story. In an emergency, they could have used the noisy engine a bit more, is what it sounds like.
75 Ikramerica : I noticed something was up because I was attuned to it. But part of the issue was that they shut off the lights and IFE for a few seconds during the
76 Post contains links Revelation : From Wikipedia, the US Airways Group has the following Subsidiaries: * US Airways, Inc. which includes the US Airways Shuttle service * US Airways Ex
77 Itsnotfinals : Exactly, when HP bought US, they decided to keep the USAirways name to better reflect inheriting an international airline. That is why all the HP fle
78 Post contains images YHMYYZspotter : HA I love how this thread has completely split off into 2 different topic's that are barely related. I am surprised it has stuck around this long.
79 Post contains links Aloha73G : http://starbulletin.com/2007/07/31/news/story11.html A better article from our other newspaper, which for those who care refer to the airline as "Amer
80 Dl757md : They didn't cycle power. As the generator on the affected engine comes off/on line the APU generator or the other engine generator picks up or gives
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