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User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 908 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4802 times:

http://www.etravelblackboard.com/index.asp?id=67452&nav=2

[Edited 2007-07-31 03:28:48]


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User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Hmm, sounds reasonable. Whenever I see the word "restructuring" I immediately think of redundancies. I could be an old cynic though.


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User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 1):
Whenever I see the word "restructuring" I immediately think of redundancies. I could be an old cynic though.

Well, that is a fair assessment of 'restructuring' in particular when G. Dixon is involved. I don't think you are being an 'old cynic'...the mid 90's largess of corporate Australia is still haunting us with 'restructing' being the plug to pull when extenuating circumstances mean the bottom line is under threat...screw the workers, get rid of em, makes Management look good Wink



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Its just shuffling paper is all. Waste of time and money and unnecessarily duplicates management as inevitably happens with these sorts of things. Air New Zealand did the same thing back in the 90's and has since remerged them all back in and ended up laying off about 1000 staff (mostly in headoffice) in the process.


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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
Its just shuffling paper is all.

Also makes it easier to sell it to "investors" and not have to go through those pesky shareholders ... you'd just sell a proportion of each bit at a time.



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User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 2):
.the mid 90's largess of corporate Australia

More the mid 80's I would think.


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

As a shareholder I say  Smile


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User currently offlineOztech From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Unfortunately, no matter how many ways they split Qantas up... It will still will just be Qantas... Always playing catch up to the real players in the aviation game like EK, SQ, EY and others too many to mention..
I know that Emirates etc have easier access to money, infrastructure blah blah blah.. Yep, we have heard all the bleeting before from the true blue blindfolded QF employees (I was one for over 10 years) but it is time to face facts.. The QF product is so dated it would not look out of place in the 707 in Longreach.. The hype on commercial TV regarding the sub standard maintenance.. What a load of rubbish stirred up by the ALAEA who are still trying to hold onto their ever decreasing number of members.. All airlines have problems in all departments.. but unfortunately for QF some of the dinosaurs who could not find a job in Burger King are only too happy to leak this s**t to the ever hungry "don't let the facts get in the way of a good story" Aussie (ill informed and uneducated in anything aviation) press.
It is time for QF to step up to the plate.. Dump the engineering dept.. delete the present board.. Get a new 1st and Business product and plan to change it every 3-5 years to keep up with the real "new world carriers"
Aussie pride and all that nostalgic crap will not save the Roo...
Cleaning out the deadwood and dragging the fleet into line with the others will help but I still think the Roo is doomed..



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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting Oztech (Reply 7):
Cleaning out the deadwood and dragging the fleet into line with the others will help but I still think the Roo is doomed..

I agree about the freeloaders, esp in Management areas but doomed - come on?

QF is one of the most profitable airlines in the world.
QF has an infrastructure monopoly that any serious contender would take forever to break

AND you live in my hometown? Are you sure you dont commute to Brisbane and work for an airline with red planes



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Quoting Oztech (Reply 7):
Cleaning out the deadwood and dragging the fleet into line with the others will help but I still think the Roo is doomed..

The only problems I have had with QF have been with some rather ignorant mid-management folks. All 3 times (I'm lucky it's only 3) their actions have left me shaking my head and figuring that they must be left overs from the days QF was government owned.


User currently offlineOzTech From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 8):
I agree about the freeloaders, esp in Management areas but doomed - come on?

Domed might have been a bit over dramatic I agree but you have to agree that all the major players are jumping ahead in leaps and bounds when it comes to passengers service, amenities both on board and on the ground and choosing new routes and times that all attract new passengers. 10/15 years ago would the average Aussie think about flying via Dubai or Brunei to get to Europe.. and as for those god awful adds QF keep coming up with.. Please... give us a break and treat us with some respect.. We are not stupid and can see right through the crap the Saatchi & Saatchi spin doctors come up with..
I agree that QF is a very profitable airline but what do they do with it.. You would think that with all the cash reserves they have they would be pioneering new routes and products all over the world to try to counteract the other players.. Alas no.. they just pay millions to air the "I still call Australia home" add all over the world again.
They need a lot of new blood in management.. some young guns with balls to take a gamble on making QF the airline that it can and should be.... Give the others a run for their money...



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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Quoting OzTech (Reply 10):
They need a lot of new blood in management.. some young guns with balls to take a gamble on making QF the airline that it can and should be

I agree. And the JQ thing is a bit of a joke. But I remember back to the dispute of 1989 ( I was in Oshkosh at the airshow with a group of pilots at the time) and the unions did cripple the industry. I know QF is really trying hard to get labour costs down and management would be a great place to start.

Wouldn't it be great to see Australia to London via more than just 2 stopover points? Wouldn't it be great to see more destinations in the USA?

One of my biggest beefs is the age of the fleet, compared to what it used to be like. QF used to retire planes when they still had life left in them - now they just run them into the ground.

I see some very short sighted decisions by QF along with a few good moves, but it is still an old boys club at the top.

I would love to rehash the livery to something fresh yet traditional. I'd love to refocus advertsing. I would love to get rid of Jetstar all together............



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

QF can do all the things they need to but they don't because they are such penny pinchers. They are going to alienate pax if they don't get it together. Carriers like EY,SQ and EK are only going to get further advanced than QF and they are all increasing their frequencies into Australia as they can see QF is vunerable(my theory) A strong QF is not based on profit alone it is based on product strength or finding a balance between the two.

I find it sad that a once great carrier has been run into the ground by Dixon, if they want to cut costs, cut em' at the top! They could start by not paying John Laws 100,000 to spruik for them! Or John Travolta - what has he done for them?



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User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 6):
As a shareholder I say

followed by

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 11):
I would love to get rid of Jetstar all together............

You must be joking right. this is where all the growth in revenues is coming from. I am sure I read that Jetstar made $100 million profit. Surely as a shareholder you would say that Jetstar is a roaring success.



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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 13):
You must be joking right. this is where all the growth in revenues is coming from. I am sure I read that Jetstar made $100 million profit. Surely as a shareholder you would say that Jetstar is a roaring success

Maybe so. But it's a shame that the same result couldn't be achieved by Qantas.



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User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 13):
Surely as a shareholder you would say that Jetstar is a roaring success.

That is the on going debate, is JQ actually sucessful? If you believe they are, how is it measured? I don't believe they are successful. For reasons outlined in other threads.....



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
Its just shuffling paper is all.

Don't forget to buy shares in companies making letterheads!

Quoting Oztech (Reply 7):
It is time for QF to step up to the plate.. Dump the engineering dept.. delete the present board.. Get a new 1st and Business product and plan to change it every 3-5 years to keep up with the real "new world carriers"

I am with Jet a bit there. Delete the board and then get the new one to look at engineering. It is arguable that whatever good reputation has is from its previous maintenance history. I get the nasty feeling that current management will push this (has pushed it) to the point where it breaks - missing the point that just one catastrophe is too many.

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 12):
They could start by not paying John Laws 100,000 to spruik for them!

 checkmark  Top of the class and a koala stamp there!  Smile Travolta might just have some useful purpose, although don't ask me what it is, but Laws, shudder.

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 13):

You must be joking right. this is where all the growth in revenues is coming from. I am sure I read that Jetstar made $100 million profit. Surely as a shareholder you would say that Jetstar is a roaring success.

Probably, although I do find it hard to know. I would also like to know how the costs of the A32xs come in against the 737s. Favourably one has to suspect?


User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 15):
is JQ actually sucessful? If you believe they are, how is it measured? I

Wouldn't profit be the best way to measure?

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 14):
Maybe so. But it's a shame that the same result couldn't be achieved by Qantas.

I dont get this. Do you think Qantas management wouldn't make bigger profits if they could.



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User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 17):

Wouldn't profit be the best way to measure?

Yes, I guess that is the obvious however, I think an independant assessment of JQ's success is difficult because many of it's routes were handed over by QF i.e getting a slightly captive market by default.(my opinion)



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User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 18):
were handed over by QF i.e getting a slightly captive market by default.(my opinion)

Oh totally agree. JQ can never ever be compared to a new entrant. Its apples and bowling balls.



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User currently offlineQantasHeavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Even the 5-Star airlines such as Cathay and Singapore are really slipping in terms of service into Oz. Old tired interiors. SQ is down-right poor except the 744s (1 to MEL a few to SYD)... and they are nothing new inside.

I have started flying Thai a lot. New 777s with nice interiors, wide screen AVOD in business and a nose/belly camera on the IFE a la EK. Also, Thai business class ticket is 30-50% less than QF to most of Asia.

I think when the 787s arrive the domestic product caliber will go up. The QF 744s and 333s are still much better than the average long-haul flights in/out of Oz.

Would have been nice to have some fresh 332s or 777s for the medium hauls and domestic major routes... but we'll live with the antique fleet on 743s and high-cycle 763s for a few more years!


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 11):
Wouldn't it be great to see Australia to London via more than just 2 stopover points? Wouldn't it be great to see more destinations in the USA?

If you can drag Australia say 500 miles north east and closer to the US then you might be in luck, otherwise it is SFO or LAX unless you want a stop over in Hawaii. QF has to feed into the AA system as they are partners, QF has stated a few times the desire to be able to fly into DFW so they can arrive at a major AA hub which would be great for flying onto the east coast. I don't disagree with you, they are just too limited distance wise with the current aircraft.

As to the London stop overs, that may be restricted by the # of people flying to a destination and having it as the final stopover as opposed to those who may stop over and then rejoin a later flight to continue on. I'm sure they have some fun complex way of figuring it out. But a little more creativity might be nice.

It is interesting how geographic location plays into the Kangaroo route. QF & BA (& other euro airlines) can go for non stop flights as their bases are at either end, SQ, EK and the like have home base in the middle so they would prefer the stopover so they don't need as much at each end. QF & BA can stop over pretty much anywhere in the middle they desire/are allowed to, as it is just a fuel stop for them. SQ, EK and the other Asian airlines will prefer flying through home base, and have the other Asian destinations as a different flight.


User currently offlineQantasHeavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

In terms of the SYD-LHR or SYD-JFK flying... as much as the non-stop capability may be desired I'm not sure how great it would be as a passenger.

I have done the JFK-HKG and LAX-MEL a lot and it is gruelling. I go for work and am always in business or first, and it is still a physical drain (and I think Cathay and Qantas are as comfortable in first/business as any other carrier).

The effects on the body on a 22-hour flight must be harsh. Of course, perhaps up and down twice over 24 hours might be worse... any doctors in the house?

If you drink lots of water, take lorazipam (from your doctor) and chew Jet Ease/No Jet lag tablets (magic pills from NZ... I criss-cross the globe and never get jet lagged thanks to that stuff!) and move around on the plane that helps... but the 777 and maybe the 345/6 seem to be able to have bathrooms that stay fresh after 12 hours.

Dry cabin air, especially on the 777, for almost a day msut be bad for your sinuses and ear/nose throat membranes.

Can the 77L make SYD-DFW both directions relaibly or would winds make it payload restricted westbound? QF should absolutely go into DFW. They keep flirting with the idea but never do. I bet DFW would make them a sweet deal to get another foreign flag carrier into the new terminal. Flying QF/AA to NYC via LAX is OK in terms of the timing... but LAX is a real hassle. Why can't they screen passengers in transit separately instead of putting everyone nack into the outside lines to come back into the same concourse? Customs/immigration and security at DFW is a breeze. Big Texans with big guns so you feel safe but they don't like lines so you scoot through. If you are going anywhere other than California or New York, Qantas connections via LA are a hassle... as you ARE going through DFW anyway. WIll the 787 make it nonstop?


User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Quoting Oztech (Reply 7):
Unfortunately, no matter how many ways they split Qantas up... It will still will just be Qantas... Always playing catch up to the real players in the aviation game like EK, SQ, EY and others too many to mention..
I know that Emirates etc have easier access to money, infrastructure blah blah blah.. Yep, we have heard all the bleeting before from the true blue blindfolded QF employees (I was one for over 10 years) but it is time to face facts.. The QF product is so dated it would not look out of place in the 707 in Longreach.. The hype on commercial TV regarding the sub standard maintenance.. What a load of rubbish stirred up by the ALAEA who are still trying to hold onto their ever decreasing number of members.. All airlines have problems in all departments.. but unfortunately for QF some of the dinosaurs who could not find a job in Burger King are only too happy to leak this s**t to the ever hungry "don't let the facts get in the way of a good story" Aussie (ill informed and uneducated in anything aviation) press.
It is time for QF to step up to the plate.. Dump the engineering dept.. delete the present board.. Get a new 1st and Business product and plan to change it every 3-5 years to keep up with the real "new world carriers"
Aussie pride and all that nostalgic crap will not save the Roo...
Cleaning out the deadwood and dragging the fleet into line with the others will help but I still think the Roo is doomed..

Hey Oztech,

I really appreciate your bold opinions, and quite rightly so i must say.
I agree to a certain extent, but to state that Qantas product is out dated is a far cry. The thing which is good with Qantas is they have a consistent product (in regards to seats) where as many of the carriers you have mentioned donot, and will not have the same First/business product onboard.
EK for instance has 3 different First and Business cabins. Which one are you going to get??
EY also has 2 different first and business cabins.

The only one i can say is truly a fantastic carrier and leaves Qantas for dust is SQ!!

Quoting OzTech (Reply 10):
Domed might have been a bit over dramatic I agree but you have to agree that all the major players are jumping ahead in leaps and bounds when it comes to passengers service, amenities both on board and on the ground and choosing new routes and times that all attract new passengers. 10/15 years ago would the average Aussie think about flying via Dubai or Brunei to get to Europe.. and as for those god awful adds QF keep coming up with.. Please... give us a break and treat us with some respect.. We are not stupid and can see right through the crap the Saatchi & Saatchi spin doctors come up with..
I agree that QF is a very profitable airline but what do they do with it.. You would think that with all the cash reserves they have they would be pioneering new routes and products all over the world to try to counteract the other players.. Alas no.. they just pay millions to air the "I still call Australia home" add all over the world again.
They need a lot of new blood in management.. some young guns with balls to take a gamble on making QF the airline that it can and should be.... Give the others a run for their money...

Again, I agree...With all the money we make, where does it go?? 1.2 billion is tipped for this year... makes you wonder.

Qantas has stated that they will be followers not leaders (is this a wise decision in this day and age?? Who knows, some argue yes, others no).

Qantas can be an amazing carrier, and to be honest i still believe, the worst thing about Qantas is inconsistent crews. You can get on and have a brilliant flight...one that rivals SQ, TG, CX, EK... and then the next flight you will have the worst one of your life.

Recently attending our "crew days...future outlook of Qantas and where are we going..." John Borghetti stated Dallas is the next destination, and they are just waiting for aircraft...He also said it would of started by now if the A380 was not delayed. Qantas wants to go double daily into FRA... to be announced next year. Two more european destinations to start. And upgrading BJS and PVG as loads are doing well. Once again, this is where Qantas have lost their vision...not buying new aircrafts and expanding its fleet.

Our managers do make it out to be all roses, and state customer satisfaction is at an all time high (hard to believe with the IFE...and constent catering issues) as an individual...it is your decision to believe it or not.

Cheers.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 23):
Again, I agree...With all the money we make, where does it go?? 1.2 billion is tipped for this year... makes you wonder.

How do you think they are financing the new aircraft? Profit helps there. How do you think they are financing the new product? How was JQ financed?

It's not like it's all being pissed into the wind.

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 23):
Qantas has stated that they will be followers not leaders (is this a wise decision in this day and age?? Who knows, some argue yes, others no).

Do you have a link showing this so called "statement" ?

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 23):
Two more european destinations to start.

I'm betting on ATH and FCO with JQ. Or were they explicitly stating two new european destinations for QF? If this is the case, it will be Paris and...?

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 23):
Once again, this is where Qantas have lost their vision...not buying new aircrafts and expanding its fleet.

When you consider the effects of things like SARS, the Tsunami, 9/11 - it's not surprising aircraft weren't ordered for international, or do you know something I don't?

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 23):
and state customer satisfaction is at an all time high (hard to believe with the IFE...and constent catering issues)

I've heard the latest patch has solved the majority of the AVOD issues. You're working the front line, has there been a decrease in incidents, no change, the same?

Catering issues?

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 15):
That is the on going debate, is JQ actually sucessful? If you believe they are, how is it measured? I don't believe they are successful. For reasons outlined in other threads.....

I think the reported 100m to the bottom line that is going to be announced in a couple of weeks is an easy way to measure the success.

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 12):
I find it sad that a once great carrier has been run into the ground by Dixon

I find it sad that you diss Qantas at every turn. They have flat seats in F, J beds (soon to be flat beds), W class on the way, AVOD across the international fleet, and a huge investment in new aircraft happening. New routes will be opened, probably from late 2008 I would imagine, and moreso from 2009. Lots of A380s and 787s on the way.

I hardly see how the airline has been "run into the ground". Do you actually fly other carriers at all? It sounds like tall poppy syndrome from where I'm sitting.

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 11):
Wouldn't it be great to see Australia to London via more than just 2 stopover points?

Two? BKK, SIN and HKG equals two?



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25 Sparklehorse12 : I find your critique of my statements amazing...an Irishman give me some ' food for thought' about a national carrier of the country I actually live
26 Post contains images ClassicLover : Nice come back. Good to see you addressed my points. For the record, I'm from Sydney - have lived in Dublin for 2 years - if you'd checked my profile
27 Post contains images Sparklehorse12 : ....I could go into the reasons why I have stated what I have stated but I think it is clear and infact, if you REALLY cared to know why I have state
28 Post contains images Gemuser : Sparklehorse, I have to agree with ClassicLover, you do seem unusually "down" on QF. I really don't think you can expect to get away, without backup,
29 Sparklehorse12 : Gemuser - Firstly,Issues are rearing their ugly head time and time again, I will note maintenance for starters..how many examples do you need? These
30 Gemuser : Once again, prove it! In April after this very issue was raised by someone else I checked the ATSB web site. In the two years ending 31 March 07 QF h
31 AA7295 : I guess with Qantas, you either love them or hate them. I personally despise them. Remember that before DJ, Ansett and QF were happy to charge $500 fo
32 Sparklehorse12 : Gemuser - It's all a media beat up is it? There are no issues with QF are there? QF are one of the best airlines in the world, are they? The choice s
33 AA7295 : OMG... you are so right. This is why I don't understand why QF does this. Yes SYD has a bigger market... BUT THERE ARE STILL OTHER MARKETS OUT THERE.
34 ClassicLover : Thanks for putting some actual facts into the thread. I'd like to hear about this if at all possible? I guess you hated Ansett also? Still, DJ has be
35 QantasHeavy : I think it is natural for natives to not like their local carriers. Most Americans who have flown QF will tell you Qantas is the best airline in the w
36 Sparklehorse12 : Yes, I actually would. The choice survey was about QF...
37 Gemuser : Mainly related to outsourcing, of course! No specific comments to be made, sorry. Gemuser
38 AA7295 : Not really. DJ is based in BNE and I absolutely adore them. When I book a domestic flight, 9 times out of 10 it will be with them. No, because there
39 Sparklehorse12 : I am pleased someone can finally understand the frustration and why I am critical of QF, infact, I am just plain dissapointed that a great Australian
40 AA7295 : Qantas Group is like 46% foreign owned, IIRC, I know the figure is in the 40 percentile. So it's probably better that your work flies with DJ because
41 Qantas787 : I guess when SQ start flying non stop to PPP, MCY, HTI and other secondary towns of Australia then you can reasonably demand that QF fly non stop to
42 TBCITDG : If there is any criticism around here about QF why do the same QF loves always come up in their defence? Why not take in positive criticism and try to
43 AA7295 : How bout to BKK. QF operates flights from BKK-LHR, maybe we would like a stop over in BKK, we cannot do that because both QF & JQ do not fly there. W
44 Post contains images Qantas787 : Hi TBCITDG I hope you are not inferring I am a Qantas cheer leader. Trust me I would love to be in charge for a few years - man wouldn't we be able t
45 ANstar : QF uses Sydney as a hub and unfortunately because of this BNE and MEL to an extent will miss out on lots of direct flights in favour of having PAX co
46 Gemuser : QF doesn't "ignore" the BNE market, they give it the level of service they think will be profitable for them to provide. Perfect business logic. That
47 AA7295 : That's what we do... use foreign carriers. Well it certaintly is profitable now, QF has realised this, but doesn't have the A/C to begin new/addition
48 Gemuser : How do you know its profitable? It most likely is, but we don't know! More importantly is it MORE profitable than somewhere else we could deploy to a
49 AA7295 : True about the A380, but the current fleet renewal program is about 3-4 years late. QF should have ordered more A330 earlier or decided to purchase t
50 Sparklehorse12 : I don't actually expect QF to fly to every 'tinpot' Asian destination but blow me down, a report today saying Thailand is the number 1 tourist destin
51 Post contains images Qantas787 : Qantas will never have the demand to fly to places such as HKT from BNE in my lifetime, but thats cool because then when I flew there last month I wo
52 BoeingBoy : Quoted from the report "According to the latest reports by the Sydney Morning Herald, Qantas’ much speculated" Quantas has said nothing - SPECULATIO
53 Post contains images Gemuser : Apart from A380 delays, on what basis do you say this? Hind sight is a wonderful thing! Again on what basis do you claim this? You know I have been h
54 Sparklehorse12 : Gemuser - If the markets were not profitable why would SQ,MH,TG,EK,BI,CX,CI even bother? Like I say, a report out today says Thailand is the number 1
55 CupraIbiza : Spot on... Spot on. Imagine Qantas wasnt privatised, and didnt rationalise its route to those that are profitable. What would we have? Think Italian.
56 AA7295 : Gemuser, you really need to chill. Most topics discussed on this forum are opinion or speculation backed up by facts. An example would be me saying th
57 Gemuser : With the execption of EK, whose need for a route to be profitable is subject to serious debate, I am sure all the others are profitable, HOWEVER just
58 VHVXB : = Low yielding destination with very Little premium traffic which may mean the service is not profitable enough. err maybe because these airlines hav
59 Sparklehorse12 : I can't see or, I don't have the knowledge to know if they do however, when was it good business not roll the dice and make a route work...like i sai
60 Airnewzealand : Hey ClassicLover, How are you going? Statement was made at Crew direction in 2004 in Los Angeles roadshow. If i remember correctly Margaret stated "We
61 AA7295 : I think we should agree to disagree with this whole BNE/QF debate because in the end, our banter does nothing. In the meantime, we will continue to f
62 Post contains images QFYMML : Do you really though? You've already stated that you give your dosh to AA by booking on their codeshare when flying QF175. Would you really start fly
63 AA7295 : We can hope for the betterment of the residents of BNE region, and that does not mean I will necessarily fly on the route, when I can earn Mileage Pl
64 Airnewzealand : Obviously when you have posted 49 comments all bashing QF!
65 AA7295 : I prefer the term "constructive criticism" and "feedback".
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