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Updated Load Factors For XJet  
User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 30
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7142 times:

Here are updated onboard loads for ExpressJet-braded service at airports with detailed reporting.

Loads are definitely trending up, although not yet close to par with their CO* operation.

These are from direct airport monthly stats and are not route-specific. Note that MSY was changed for May due to a calculation mistake the last time I posted.

JAX
39.4% May
47.9% June

RDU
39.9% May

OMA
18.9% April
34.6% May
60.2% June

MCI
16.1% April
33.8% May
47.7% June

MSY
40.7% May
46.5% June

AUS
21.8% April
29.6% May
34.9% June

CRP
14.8% May
17.0% June

ABQ
36.5% June

SAN
35.9% May

ONT
18.3% April
33.6% May
48.9% June

GEG
21.9% April
29.9% May
54.5% June

SAT
16.9% April

COS
36.0% May
56.0% June

Starting in later spring definitely got them rolling for the summer travel peak, and part of the battle for an upstart is always getting people to be aware of and try you, even if it is because the competition is full. We'll see as the months go on if that translates to continued improvement, or if their improving summer loads were due to spill.

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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3763 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7108 times:

Are some of those really bad or is there some unknown source of profit within the cities performing at 16 and 17%? Their higher loads are only barely breakking 60%.

Are these guys pulling killer yields or are they taking a loss?


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7060 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):
Are these guys pulling killer yields or are they taking a loss?

Since most of the corporate income comes from Express operations for Continental and Delta, which generally have high profit margins, the company as a whole gets enough income from those operations to support any losses than the stand-alone XJet operation sustains as it grows. Notice that load factors are increasing, so as they increase, the losses will decrease for the stand-alone operation. Expressjet should be fine.


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6905 times:

I was hoping to see Tucson on the list. I flew Xjet from TUS-to SMF on July 15th. I had a good experience and enjoyed the snack and music.

User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2157 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
SAT
16.9% April



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
CRP
17.0% June

Those are extremely low figures. On a RJ145 that corresponds to roughly 8.5 passengers average per flight.

One has to wonder how long you give such routes before giving up. If they can't get them anywhere near the rest of the network then there probably isn't a market for them.


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3763 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6840 times:

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 4):
Those are extremely low figures. On a RJ145 that corresponds to roughly 8.5 passengers average per flight.

One has to wonder how long you give such routes before giving up. If they can't get them anywhere near the rest of the network then there probably isn't a market for them.

Maybe they shouldnt have gone down to WN country.


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 3):
I was hoping to see Tucson on the list. I flew Xjet from TUS-to SMF on July 15th. I had a good experience and enjoyed the snack and music.

Tucson's website does not break down monthly traffic by airline. That's why they, TUL, FAT, BOI, OKC, SMF, and a few others are not on this list.

Xjet has withheld the monthly detailed-by-market reporting (the T-100's) that all airlines are required to submit, so we can't see specific markets. I don't even think Xjet (the whole CO* + XE) has been releasing monthly systemwide traffic reports. The best we have is doing calculations on individual airports. That's a big reason why I keep on this and post this stuff...there's no other information out there for them since March.


User currently offlineFlyingchoirboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 281 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6691 times:
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Quoting Runway23 (Reply 4):
Those are extremely low figures. On a RJ145 that corresponds to roughly 8.5 passengers average per flight.

I hate to be a pessimist, but I never thought that XJet was such a good idea.

Scott



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

As predicted FlyI deja vu.

User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1081 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6680 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 8):
As predicted FlyI deja vu.

Not really. FlyI had no source of income outside of their branded flying. XJet is pulling in plenty of cash from CO and DL to allow the branded service to grow without pulling the company under.



TLH
User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6667 times:

and Xjet presumably has higher RASM than DH.
-A



What now?
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 9):
Not really. FlyI had no source of income outside of their branded flying. XJet is pulling in plenty of cash from CO and DL to allow the branded service to grow without pulling the company under.

I realise that but their branded operation will end up just like DM. Starts with low LF, their lower prices to fill aircraft, LF slowly rises but losses are mounting.

Bottom line is: it is impossible to make profit flying RJ with 7 people on board.


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6731 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6561 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 11):
I realise that but their branded operation will end up just like DM. Starts with low LF, their lower prices to fill aircraft, LF slowly rises but losses are mounting.

Ahh contraire.. mon ami...

Expressjet is not in the $49, $39, $79 a flight group.. they actually price their flights realistically.. they actually price their flights to make a profit and not just to get butts in the seat.. and they are winning customers by offering good service and flights to places people want to go without connecting.. And as with any airline that isn't offering dirt cheap fares ($8, $2, $29, etc), the more people learn about them, the stronger they will grow. I don't think any airline starts out thinking they are gonna be in the black the first year or even the first two years. So a good business will take that into play when they are budgeting themselves.. but they are getting better loads, more converts, and I think they will probably be ready for their first expansion by next summer..

And just like the major airlines do with some of their routes, the ones that are a slower start are offset by the ones that are doing better.. it happens everyday in every business field on every continent..

Simma down, give them a chance, sit back, and enjoy the show..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2733 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):

OKC?



No info
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

Unlike FlyI which was strictly a hub-spoke operation with slews of CRJ to CRJ connections in IAD (which still could be bought for sub $150 r/t), XJet is primarily a P2P operation. Sure there are a few connections, but there is a ton of point to point as can be seen by their convoluted route structure. If DH had run more of a P2P operation and charged reasonable fares they too could have survived. Anyone finding such similarities between the XJet and FlyI operations has either not paid any attention to their respective route and fare structures at all, or is just trying to incite a flame war. It's a complete case of apples and oranges, with the only thing being in common is the 50 seat regional jet equipment.

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

I think the bean counters at XJET will be a lot more interested in the significant growth in load factors from month to month, than the fact that they are a little low at the moment. If they maintain the current growth, or anything similar, their planes will be full in a few months. To get to that point in under a year is a significant achievement. Some routes will work better than others, but most on that list look reasonably healthy at this point in the growth curve.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6488 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 14):
It's a complete case of apples and oranges, with the only thing being in common is the 50 seat regional jet equipment.

I certainly agree that you can't compare XJet to FlyI....they are using a different business model.

With that said, I still think XJet is going to be a money loser. While their point-to-point model makes sense, their route selection is so random that few customers will really be able to stay loyal to them. One week, Joe Business Traveler might need to fly JAX-RDU (where XJet is an option), but next week he might need to fly to JAX-Chicago (no XJet). If XJet can only provide a few random p2p routes, most business travelers will stay loyal to existing carriers with larger-scale networks (even if it means connecting). XJet will be left with infrequent and leisure traffic....which is not a recipe for success when using high-cost RJ's.

ExpressJet is fortunate (unlike FlyI) that most of their business is contract work for CO/DL where they can make profits to offset the losses of XJet. Long-term, I wouldn't be surprised to see XJet planes either brought into more contract flying for DL or once the planes are old-enough retired to the desert.


User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6468 times:

How can people say that the april load factors were horribly low when ExpressJet service started in April. That seems very good numbers for an airline that no one had flown on before. As for their growth to the 1/2 full marks is quite good for this only being the end of July.

User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6731 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6467 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
One week, Joe Business Traveler might need to fly JAX-RDU (where XJet is an option), but next week he might need to fly to JAX-Chicago (no XJet).

I can smell what you are cooking there.. but there are also a lot of business travelers that will fly JAX-RDU weekly or every 2 weeks.. then there are the family of 4 that wants to go to JAX.. then there are students who may want to go to JAX for a sports event or conert.. then there are the individuals who want to go RDU-SAV but will do RDU-JAX and drive to SAV.. XE did a lot of market research before they started these flights and saw the potential on their choices.. now they just have to see how well they fly. But after 2 or 3 months, there is still a lot more data needed before cancelling a route should occur. but i'm sure there will be some cancelations after the new year..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
With that said, I still think XJet is going to be a money loser. While their point-to-point model makes sense, their route selection is so random that few customers will really be able to stay loyal to them. One week, Joe Business Traveler might need to fly JAX-RDU (where XJet is an option), but next week he might need to fly to JAX-Chicago (no XJet). If XJet can only provide a few random p2p routes, most business travelers will stay loyal to existing carriers with larger-scale networks (even if it means connecting).

Chances are the business travelers were going to stay with their legacy that they were already choosing for their travel to Chicago to begin with. ExpressJet smartly filled niches where P2P was needed but not happening, as opposed to getting into 3 or 4 way wars into some place like Chicago. It's alot easier to peel people off a a connector to your own direct flight than it is to peel people off an airline which is most likely running bigger equipment and more frequency to a major hub.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

The XE schedules change on 1/8/08. I think you'll see announcements made in regards to flight changes by mid November at the latest.


Next trip: MSY-SEA-GEG-SEA-LWS-BOI-PDX-SEA-LAS on AS
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 19):
Chances are the business travelers were going to stay with their legacy that they were already choosing for their travel to Chicago to begin with.

True, but then what makes you think the business traveler won't stay with that legacy carrier when it comes time to fly JAX-RDU too. XJet's only real advantage is the nonstop flight. They don't have a cost advantage, they don't have much for a frequent flier program, they don't have a comprehensive network and they don't have a frequentcy advantage. If Joe Business traveler's meeting in RDU ends early and he wants to go home early, it won't work on XJet.

Don't get me wrong, I think XJet will certainly find a decent number of leisure and infrequent travelers to help fill their planes. The problem is that they won't make a profit on that type of customer.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32211 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 9):
Quoting Danny (Reply 8):
As predicted FlyI deja vu.

Not really. FlyI had no source of income outside of their branded flying. XJet is pulling in plenty of cash from CO and DL to allow the branded service to grow without pulling the company under.

Exactly. I firmly believe that Xjet has an independent airline will be gone within two years. As a company, they will do fine. They can make a lot more money flying those RJs as a regional carrier for a major than as a stand alone operation. We really won't get a real idea of how they are doing until fall comes along, and the leisure travelers stop flying. Of course, it doesn't help that they create a route network based on markets with no non-stop service, and then, of course, others respond and enter those markets.



a.
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 21):

True, but then what makes you think the business traveler won't stay with that legacy carrier when it comes time to fly JAX-RDU too.

This...

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 21):
XJet's only real advantage is the nonstop flight.

Unlike leisure travelers who'd drive to hell and back to save $25 a ticket to Disney or Vegas by flying WN/FL/G4 the business traveler wants to spend the least amount of time possible travelling.


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6731 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 21):
If Joe Business traveler's meeting in RDU ends early and he wants to go home early, it won't work on XJet.

By your same accord, riddle me this. XE offers 2x daily service to JAX, as does MQ. If the business traveler decides to fly home earlier, they have two options.. wait for their XE flight, or take another airline who is going to connect you through another city. Now, if they do get the connection, they are adding at least another 2 hours to their flight. So, unless they do something extravagant like finishing their day meeting 4 hours earlier, it would not make more sense to take the connecting flight because you are going to spend the same amount of time, but also have to go through the hassle of the connection. Most business travelers would probably use that extra time to get work done somewhere.

Now, XE does not have a lounge like the majors, but then majors do not have lounges at all airports.. so that point is moot too..

So, again, I believe XE is actually make a lot of sense in what they are doing.. have a well thought out plan as to their action.. and the numbers are starting to show it.. None of the stations are showing a decline, and most are showing at least a 50% increase between initial month and current month.. I think that is tremendous..

Also, from almost all of the markets, there are still unserved opportunities that XE can develop if they need to drop a flight or two..



Aiming High and going far..
25 MAH4546 : Yes, they do. Many still won't give up their allegiance to their airlines. When I travel business (or leisure), I will take a reasonable connection o
26 Knope2001 : No monthly stats by carrier at OKC either, unfortunately.
27 MAH4546 : You are giving them way too much credit. This type of start is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. You could have said the same thing about Indep
28 FlyPNS1 : True, the connection will add more time, but if meetings do end very early or if meetings are only scheduled to last a half day, then XJet doesn't wo
29 FLYGUY767 : SMF??? -JD
30 RJNUT : you a You are a dying breed..Where have you been this summer with all the missed connections and being told that you cant be rerouted until 2days from
31 ERJ170 : No. Not really. Independence were completely dependent on funneling pax through IAD. Nice concept but that concept is about 20 years too late. There
32 MAH4546 : They did. They began doing a plethora of PTP routes from Florida, none of them worked. I've found miles have gotten easier to redeem, especially with
33 FLYGUY767 : When WN starts flying JFK-LAX, MIA-LAX, DCA-LAX, BOS-LAX, DCA-LGA, and so forth we can talk.. Until then business travellers in the key business mark
34 PanAm747 : 8.5% growth 15.7% growth and 25.6% growth 17.7% and 13.9% growth 5.8% growth 7.8% and 5.3% growth 2.8% growth 15.3% growth both times 8% and 24.6% gr
35 FlyingClrs727 : I flew both CRP-AUS-ONT and ONT-AUS-CRP on a business trip earlier this month. Other than my boss and myself, there were only two passengers flying t
36 Knope2001 : No monthly stats available online which detail traffic by airline for these stations: BOI SMF MRY FAT BFL TUS ELP OKC TUL If any of you who are more
37 ERJ170 : It depends on where they are trying to go and where they are flying from. Trust me. Just as many GSK employees fly WN RDU-PHL as fly MQ and US.. I've
38 WhatUsaid : FAT hasn't published stats since January....
39 Post contains images TrvlnMan : Hardly - XJT doesn't offer $39 walk up fares, doesn't operate from an established hub, doesn't run 12 flights between markets, has interline agreemen
40 N766UA : Those numbers are tragic! Hate to say "I told you so."
41 QXatFAT : ExpressJets product is amazing! I just got home a few min ago from flying them SAN-FAT. The flight to SAN was 99% full! Only 1 seat was empty. On the
42 MSYguy : Yeah, what idiot would want a nonstop flight with a seat assignment and a meal when they could go WN, stop three times in route, enjoy some peanuts,
43 WhatUsaid : What is it with FAT-SAN anyhow? Looking at this week, Friday flights are sold out as are the Sunday returns. Only a few seats are left on the Thursda
44 FATFlyer : I'm surprised you guys didn't see it. I always thought there was quite a bit there. I think XJet is missing even more by not allowing same day busine
45 Post contains images QXatFAT : Yeah I would have never guessed. Everyone on my flight exeted the airport and were getting on hotel shuttles. So no one was connecting onto other fli
46 SANFan : Hey, wonderful report 'FAT! Great to hear another positive testimonial and more reports of full (or nearly so) planes. I too have seen some figures o
47 HAJFlyer : That flight never made any sense to me. I would be surprised if there were enough CRP - LAX metro area OD traffic to make it viable and as you rightl
48 HAJFlyer : That flight never made any sense to me. I would be surprised if there were enough CRP - LAX metro area OD traffic to make it viable and as you rightl
49 SANFan : Maybe I'm dreaming but didn't someone on another thread indicate that XE has (or uses) a mx base at CRP? Thus the service (only from AUS), and at the
50 FLYGUY767 : SANFan, I have heard the same exact thing... I am going to try and see if I can dig up the information on a CRP MX base.. -JD
51 XJET : Okay, full disclosure......I work at XJET. I obviously extremely biased. That said, I am positive about the operation. Also, I am skeptical of the num
52 Post contains images SANFan : Thanks much for clearing that up for us, XJET. Unfortunately, if they do close Corpus, that won't really free up much that could be redeployed elsewh
53 ERJ170 : Just got in the updated numbers for RDU traffic.. June.. 9,107 pax enplaned 8,170 pax deplaned 11 flights a day for all of June 2 additional flights a
54 JetBlueAUS : They fly no routes nonstop that Southwest flies.
55 RJNUT : I believe you only want to use the enplaned passengers to calculate LF..the deplanded passengers would be part of the LF for the city from which they
56 JBLUA320 : Those numbers aren't repersentative of the latest information. I won't divulge figures, but at least here at RDU, we push 50 on almost all our MCI and
57 WhatUsaid : FAT was 34.2% in May. I'd expect June to tell a very different story. Just cannot get too excited about loads in the first weeks of service, especiall
58 QXatFAT : No you cant WhatUsaid thats for sure! XE saw high load factors in April with 64% but that was with just 2 flights a day to ONT. Now with the new serv
59 Catdaddy63 : I think XE is doing a great job of capturing a niche market. It has been said that they researched each of the cities intensely before finalizing the
60 ERJ170 : That's very true. Those numbers are from June. RDUAA was VERY late at posting their june information. They usualy post it on the 3rd Thursday of the
61 Jumbojettim : Just looking at ONT (52 flights) and SAN (27 flights) for tomorrow 8-5, i'll just say that the loads are greater than 80% for both cities, not too bad
62 JBLUA320 : Adding RDU into the picture, I can tell you that the past week and the week ahead show numbers FAR above the posted statistic, every single day. Far,
63 Post contains images SANFan : I've got 2 friends who have each flown XE for the first time in the last 3 days; one flew MRY-ONT, the other ONT-COS. Both were very pleased with the
64 FATFlyer : I don't know about the other markets, but in Fresno they have run daily newspaper ads. XJet also co-sponsored a Fresno fly-in/air show on Father's Da
65 ACVitale : At the fares they are charging they will need to have a 65-75% load factor to approach break even. It would probably be cheaper to do more at risk fly
66 Jumbojettim : If Xjet does actually lose money in the long run with the branded ops, I don't believe that you'll see layoffs and selling aircraft anytime soon. Con
67 JBLUA320 : Depending on the route and whether an XRJ or an LRJ is used, the lowest fare buckets can break even at under 20 seats.
68 Post contains images TrvlnMan : How can you say it is "loss making endevour" without knowing what the numbers are? Let's wait to see what they have to say on the 8th, okay. I'm sure
69 TrvlnMan : System wide, the LF's are way above that!!
70 XJET : You are right one that. A lot of people don't realize that we are the most efficient operator of the 50 seat jet in the country and have a fairly low
71 ACVitale : I hope that I am wrong and that in fact a profit is forthcoming. However, the end result is told in the quarterly and annual reports. Lets hope it is
72 BNAtraveler : Xjet appears to have agreed today to open up the T-100 filings: [url]http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=aviationdaily&id
73 Post contains images TrvlnMan : 39% end of quarter vs. 65% for July - The numbers certainly are rising!
74 ConcordeBoy : Some routes have been announced with direct & nonstop competition though: WN has announced a 3xD resulption of MSY-BHM, for example... to compete wit
75 Post contains links ACVitale : Unfortunately, I am correct. ExpressJet is a loss making endevour at the moment. They released the numbers and it is not pretty. http://phx.corporate-
76 FATFlyer : It appears as has been rumored that BFL-SAN has been weak. As noted in another thread XJet will add BFL-SMF in Sept but will drop BFL-SAN from 2X to 1
77 Knope2001 : My intent of posting loads by station wasn't to particularly bash XJet, and so I think it's only right to post newer ones which show improvement, too.
78 Osprey88 : Lets hope the BFL community makes BFL-SMF worth XE's while.
79 Jumbojettim : Well Xjet got 6 slots in LGB, and I think that I saw ELP-TUS-ONT somewhere, starting in Sept.
80 Osprey88 : Where did you here this? If its true, I hope this is a sign that XE is going to start more regional flights to the smaller airports in the California
81 SANFan : XE has in fact re-worked one of the 2 previous ELP-ONT n/s to now stop in TUS (effective 9/09): ELP: 5:55pm>>TUS: 6:05pm/6:30pm>>ONT: 7:55pm (flt 118
82 Bicoastal : The numbers had better be up in July and August or they don't stand a chance. How they do in the dog days of the fall and winter will be telling. Onc
83 FATFlyer : I think FAT-SAN will continue stronger than most realize. Back in the 90s there was actually quite a bit of business traffic on FAT-BUR-SAN. The one
84 FATFlyer : Oh and one of the BFL-SAN flights is already being converted to BFL-SMF starting in Sept.
85 ACVitale : I would give it no more then Q3 or Q4 2008 without a serious overhaul or the gaining of addl fee for departure flying. Finally, I would question if C
86 Post contains links Osprey88 : I got a two new emails from Xjet this morning, officially announcing BFL-SMF-GEG service and ONT-TUS-ELP service. So lets all hope XE does well on tho
87 FATFlyer : Actually I think the SAN-FAT return shows as departing at 3:00 PM I think WhatUSaid called it this way, at least we can get in a long lunch meeting.
88 WhatUsaid : I'd like to think that XE made the adjustment in response to "chatter" about schedules. BFL clearly was heard regarding their request for SMF service.
89 RJNUT : You havent suffered out West like the rest of the country with delays and clogged hubs and misconnections, but we are making inroads to switching tra
90 Post contains images Kanebear : Approximately 3 months It's not much better on the direct flights. The only difference is that instead of getting stuck at the hub you wait until the
91 MSYguy : Are you really saying that getting stuck in ATL or MSP is tantamount to having to return to your office after your nonstop flight is impossibly delay
92 Joeljack : The OMA webpage has updated load info. Look to be doing a little better. 9079/12400 = 72.4% load factor for the month.
93 Kanebear : I'm saying the end result is the same. I'm not making my meeting. On CRP-AUS, the other alternative is driving, not connecting. The rest of the syste
94 RJNUT : CRP is a maintenance base and unfortunately , MX bases for all airlines take big hits on reliability due to inability to MEL /defer items there or the
95 WhatUsaid : Fresno for May 34.2% Fresno for June 47.7%
96 Access-Air : I disagree with you!!! Firstly, this is the kind of operation Regional jets were actually made for...to provide jet service from smaller medium sized
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