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WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft  
User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8472 times:

CALGARY, ALBERTA--(MARKET WIRE)--Jul 31, 2007 -- WestJet (Toronto:WJA.TO - News) today announced it has signed an agreement with The Boeing Company for the purchase of 20 Boeing 737 Next-Generation aircraft.
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Ken McKenzie, WestJet Executive Vice-President, Operations commented, "Consumer demand for WestJet continues to grow. We have had a significant impact on the North American airline industry and require these additional aircraft to satisfy the demands of our guests for our services in Canada, the United States, the Caribbean and Mexico

Fourteen aircraft are scheduled to be delivered in 2012 with an additional six in 2013. The agreement is for the purchase of 737-700 series aircraft with options on all aircraft to be converted to 737-800 if desired.

"This is one of the largest orders in WestJet's history," added Mr. McKenzie. "From a financial perspective, we are one of the healthiest airlines in North America. Our proven brand and unique culture combined with the support of our guests gives us the ability to grow over the next decade. Through 2013, we have numerous capacity deployment opportunities in which we envision WestJet flying to over 60 destinations in North America, Mexico and the Caribbean on a scheduled basis."

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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8449 times:

No -900s yet for WestJet, eh? Bummer. I was hoping they could have been the first to operate all 4 subtypes of the 737.
Oh well, maybe another airline then.
Regards.



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User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8449 times:

Hopefully this will shut up the 787 rumours for a year or two.  Smile Good for WS, I love having the option not to fly on Big Red when I'm heading out of YYC. Good to see they didn't consider any more -600's; their loads are only getting stronger yet they bought smaller planes. I've twice seen a -700 load attempted to be stuffed into a -600...not good.


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6764 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8379 times:

Quoting CO737800 (Thread starter):
Through 2013, we have numerous capacity deployment opportunities in which we envision WestJet flying to over 60 destinations in North America, Mexico and the Caribbean on a scheduled basis."

So with WestJet currently flying to 41 destinations (from what I counted from their routemap), looks like they are going to be adding 20+ flights..

I am assuming at least 5 more will be caribbean.. wonder how much they will travel into the US? They seem to have a big void there.. but they are a canadian airline.. wonder if they can/will do Iceland or Russia?

Hmm.. the possibilities...



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

Thanks for posting. With existing commitments for 84 NG's (of which 66 have been delivered), this will push the WS NG fleet to 104.

Obviously WS remains fully committed to the 73G and smaller increments of the 738, while not adding any more 736 (or the 739ER yet).

They also seem to show no interest in adding a smaller aircraft such as the E190/170 to attack smaller markets. Yet, anyway.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 1):
Oh well, maybe another airline then.

I think the -600 is dead, if not, nobody that flies a -900 is certainly going to buy one. This is Canada though, and there's less people...a -900 will still be too big for what WS is shooting for, at least in the next few years.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
wonder if they can/will do Iceland or Russia?

Umm, why?



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6764 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8326 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 5):
Umm, why?

Beats me.. just wondering out loud.. good to hear WestJet is doing good.. hopefully will see them more in the US.. back in the day, there were more canadian options from the US... hopefully WJ will offer another choice besides AC.. I wouldn't mind trying them out to Toronto.



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8326 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 5):
This is Canada though, and there's less people...a -900 will still be too big for what WS is shooting for, at least in the next few years.

I disagree. WS has 6 738's and 3 more on order. Their heavier transcon routes YYZ-YYC/YVR could certainly support the 739ER. The question is whether they want a small specialty fleet of 739ER aircraft. Perhaps not, just yet.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 4):
E190

Probably not since they already fly a few -600's (119 seats) with which all of their crew are already rated. In a WS configuration, there could be as many as 114 seats in the E190; too close. Though the E190 is a fair bit lighter than the -600 the penalties of operating a whole new subfleet might eat that way.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 7):
Their heavier transcon routes YYZ-YYC/YVR could certainly support the 739ER.

I just don't feel as if their current aircraft on said routes are at capacity.



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User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8096 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 7):
Their heavier transcon routes YYZ-YYC/YVR could certainly support the 739ER.

I would certainly agree. AC can manage to fill a 763 or A333/A343 on these routes and with significant frequency. There is no reason that WJ couldn't do the same.

James



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User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 9):
AC can manage to fill a 763 or A333/A343 on these routes

Well, on YYZ-YVR yes...YYC-YYZ only sees a widebody if they're trying to get equipment in to run an overseas flight, which is rarely. I'm curious as to how the 77W will get into YYC to operate AC 850 to LHR...YYC spotters be ready!



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7795 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 10):
I'm curious as to how the 77W will get into YYC to operate AC 850 to LHR...YYC spotters be ready!

YYZ-LHR-YYC-LHR-YYZ


User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 10):
I'm curious as to how the 77W will get into YYC to operate AC 850 to LHR

It's coming in tomorrow from LHR. Tonight's AC848 (YYZ-LHR) turns to AC851 01Aug LHR-YYC. Scheduled to arrive YYC 1420.


User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7592 times:

It seems weird to me that they would place an order that would arrive in 2012 and 2013, that seems like so far away, 14 years! do they really expect to need that exact amound of aircraft then, and isn't there the possibility of the new 737 replacement around that time?

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12438 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7538 times:

Well, it's only five years away and the 737 line is quite busy; I think they're pushing out about 14-15 a month.

What interests me particularly is that this pushes sales of the 737 close to the 7,000 mark and sales of all Boeing commercial aircraft v. close to the 15,000 mark.

Here are the figures I have:


Looking at the Boeing figures and totting them up (allowing also for recent additions, such as the recent Jet order for three 777-300ERs), we have:

6,773 737 (all series)
1,505 747 - (who brought it over the 1,500 mark?)
677 787 - (article says 634, but I thought the actual figure was much closer to the 700 mark?)
974 777
1,011 767
1,050 757
1,000 707 (likewise)
1,832 727
156 717

14,978 Total

Adding the 20 737s brings the 737 to 6,973 and if I could find the accurate number for 707s, it would probably bring it very close, if not slightly over!

[Edited 2007-08-01 07:42:36]

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

Total production for all 707 airframes is 1,010. This includes all commercial & military orders, as well as the 720 model. The C-135 is designated the original 717, and has a smaller diameter fuselage as compare to the 707/720 model.
Regards.



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User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7385 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 13):
It seems weird to me that they would place an order that would arrive in 2012 and 2013, that seems like so far away, 14 years! do they really expect to need that exact amound of aircraft then, and isn't there the possibility of the new 737 replacement around that time?

Make that 5-6 years bro... that does not look like a distant order to me  duck 



Peet7G
User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 7):
I disagree. WS has 6 738's and 3 more on order. Their heavier transcon routes YYZ-YYC/YVR could certainly support the 739ER. The question is whether they want a small specialty fleet of 739ER aircraft. Perhaps not, just yet.

By getting more 73Gs and not getting 739s, WS can up their transcon frequencies a lot easier out of YYZ and continue to add more transcons out of the smaller markets like YOW/YUL/YXU/YHZ, where the 738s (currently) aren't used much.

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 9):
I would certainly agree. AC can manage to fill a 763 or A333/A343 on these routes and with significant frequency. There is no reason that WJ couldn't do the same.

Yeah, but WS still don't have nearly the connectivity that AC has, especially at YVR, and even at YYZ. It's easy to fill a widebody when you have +30 connections at the YYZ end and another +20 at the YVR end vs. about 10 at the YYZ end for WS and maybe 3 at the YVR end.

Quoting Acey (Reply 5):
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
wonder if they can/will do Iceland or Russia?

Umm, why?

Well now that Canada-Iceland have open skies, including beyond 5th freedom rights, WS could theoretically set up a Canada-Europe connection hub at KEF, but FI appears to be in the early stages of doing this already. Maybe if WS ever get into interlining, they could feed a LCC FI hub at KEF with 73Gs/738s from Canadian markets where an FI 757 would be too big and hence have no need to buy 787s anytime soon. Just a thought.


User currently offlineDrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6983 times:

wonder if they can/will do Iceland or Russia?

WTF??? Not exactly the first places I'd be thinking of sending planes.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
6,773 737 (all series)



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
Adding the 20 737s brings the 737 to 6,973

Kaitak, I think you meant 6,793 not 6,973. Tho a 200 plane order would be nice  Wink  Big grin  yes 
Nice job on your display of aircraft orders tho  checkmark  I too thought the 787 was closer to 700 or over now??



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

Interesting that Westjet continues to operate the 736 type. Apparently it seems to work for them. I wonder what it is that makes it such a viable type for this airline as opposed to others?


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User currently offlineBoeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6484 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 4):
They also seem to show no interest in adding a smaller aircraft such as the E190/170 to attack smaller markets. Yet, anyway.

Westjet looked at this years ago and I believe they decided on operating just one type as cost was lower, and with the increase in demand for air travel why buy smaller A/C? As apposed to buying the 377's?? It doesn't make sense to buy the Embraers at the moment.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 20):
Interesting that Westjet continues to operate the 736 type. Apparently it seems to work for them. I wonder what it is that makes it such a viable type for this airline as opposed to others?

Well they're not going to stop operating an A/C they have had in their fleet for only a couple of years now. WS has orders for A/C from I believe Singapore as well for a few 73G's... The 600's are good for short routes with more frequency and less flight loads... ie...YYC-YVR,YYC-YEG, YYC-YLW, YVR-YEG, YVR-YLW etc... With the higher frequency to these destinations it seems to fit their loads a bit better I believe. So less seats on each A/C and slightly lower operating cost is the reasoning for holding onto them. Apparantly they've started fitting the 600's with tv's now as well for all those of you that love to watch when you fly. Or get stuck with an aisle or middle and don't have the better scenery of the window to watch.
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User currently offlineFiedman From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

The new 737NG's Westjet will be getting of the 737-700 are any of these gonna be the 737-700ER?

[Edited 2007-08-01 19:36:24]

[Edited 2007-08-01 19:37:02]


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6275 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 13):
It seems weird to me that they would place an order that would arrive in 2012 and 2013, that seems like so far away, 14 years! do they really expect to need that exact amound of aircraft then, and isn't there the possibility of the new 737 replacement around that time?

What year do you live?

Is WestJet getting some of WN's deferrals? I am not sure of the time line?

M


User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6255 times:

Quoting Fiedman (Reply 22):
The new 737NG's Westjet will be getting of the 737-700 are any of these gonna be the 737-700ER?

No. I suppose they could be converted if the need should arise, but as it stands they'll be base -700's or -800's.



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25 Post contains links Loggat : http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom...?dateid=39295.1669003704-902204554 WestJet to buy 20 Boeing 737 jets 4:00:20 AM ET 8/1/2007 TEL AVIV (MarketWat
26 Acey : It is definitely the -700, with the option for conversion to -800's.
27 Scotland1979 : Hope I will see WJ order 900 series so I can grab my camera at tiny airport YXU to catch the 900 series. Beside this I have gotten 200, 600 and 700 at
28 Acey : That's just the thing. I think the -700 is a perfect fit for markets like YXU, YXX, YHM, and YQQ. I don't ever see WS operating the -900 into an airp
29 Post contains images WestJetYQQ : It's Only a metter of time, IMO. Exactly. How else would AC be operating the 767 and A330 on these routes, especially YVR-YYZ. WS could easily fill 7
30 Boeingluvr : Depends if you value you good service for your money or crap... Leather or cloth... Better planes or worse and let's not forget WS has one 600 conver
31 Acey : AC's filling seats on the route because of a wealth of connections on both ends; from YYZ on to Europe and from YVR on to Asia. WS doesn't yet have t
32 Boeingluvr : Exactly... That's where an interline would come in handy. But as Durfy said... That doesn't suit their business plan and there would be some conflicts
33 YOW : How many times in the past decade have WS changed their business plan? Too many to count. Which airline was just named (yet again) the best airline i
34 Boeingluvr : I can't tell you how many people I spoke to who called me a liar and wouldn't believe me... Remember with those awards that doesn't mean it's 100% tr
35 Bloodyrascal : Yes The long waited expansion to Canadian cities from NAS-YYC and in 2008 NAS-YHZ. I am curious would they offer the 700 on both flights? And if they
36 Post contains images WestJetYQQ : What? That big blurry thing up at the front of each cabin section? I flew on an AC 763 on Tuesday, in seat 20C, second to the window. I could barely
37 Viscount724 : What is your source of that information? It was my understanding that one of the primary reasons that WS has not yet got involved in extensive interl
38 SunriseValley : This is what happens quite frequently when you try and reinvent the wheel!
39 Post contains images 9252fly : I enjoy reading thoughtful commentary,sorry,no checkmark for you.
40 Acey : Of the 20 (gasp) YYZ-YVR runs tomorrow, only 11 are widebodies. It drops to a more reasonable 14 runs for the winter sked.
41 Boeingluvr : Okay guys... Their current system is no good for the interline stuff... The new one they wrote off was supposed to be but didn't work now. I belive i
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