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Air India Nonstop From BOM To JFK  
User currently offlineQwame From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13703 times:

Today Air India starts a direct flight between Mumbai and New York. I think given their new first and business class cabins on their brand new 777-200LR, they are going to give American and Continental some serious competition on this nonstop route.

[Edited 2007-08-01 14:31:37]

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User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13695 times:

Wouldn't this be competition for Delta? Don't they fly this route?

[Edited 2007-08-01 14:36:34]

User currently offlineCO787EWR From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13651 times:

Quoting Dbo861 (Reply 1):

Yes


User currently offlineQwame From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13601 times:

Well more competition for Delta,Continental and American on the non stop JFK-BOM route.

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3219 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13503 times:

Has the flight arrived at JFK? Anyone know how the loads on that flight were?


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13457 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 4):
Has the flight arrived at JFK? Anyone know how the loads on that flight were?

JFK-BOM nonstop tonight on the B 77L is pretty open

8AI 140 F2 A2 J4 C4 D4 W4 Y4 B4 JFKBOM 2130 2215‡1 77L M/ 0
H4 K4 L4 M4 V4 G4


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13424 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
8AI 140 F2 A2 J4 C4 D4 W4 Y4 B4 JFKBOM 2130 2215‡1 77L M/ 0
H4 K4 L4 M4 V4 G4

How would one read this in detail.Pls explain.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineVTNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13320 times:

AI 141 BOM-JFK arrived 15 minutes early in to JFK at 6:55 AM.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13185 times:

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/videos.aspx?cat=biz
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MEL



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User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12988 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
JFK-BOM nonstop tonight on the B 77L is pretty open

Our local AI office in SFO was pretty upset that the flight was only loaded a few weeks before the start of service. They felt there was no time to sell it, and the first flights are indeed going with light loads. But I'm sure things will pick up soon!



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12975 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
How would one read this in detail.Pls explain.

Generally speaking the letters start with the highest fare and descend from left to right. They may not always show all seats available and instead show a maximum of usually 4 or 9, regardless of how many seats are actually available. So in this case

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
F2 A2 J4 C4 D4 W4 Y4 B4 JFKBOM 2130 2215‡1 77L M/ 0
H4 K4 L4 M4 V4 G4

...there are at least two seats available in F and A (probably both first class), at least four available in J, C, and D (probably all Business), and at least four in W, Y and B (likely all economy). As the flight sells out, they'll close the lowest fares from right to left, so if the cheapest fare is showing seats available, it's likely that there are still quite a few seats available.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5240 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12825 times:

Quoting Qwame (Reply 3):
Well more competition for Delta,Continental and American on the non stop JFK-BOM route.

No, currently they are only competing w/DL on the nonstop JFK-BOM route. AA only flies ORD-DEL nonstop and CO currently only flies EWR-DEL nonstop. CO will begin serving BOM nonstop from EWR in October.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12763 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
there are at least two seats available in F and A (probably both first class), at least four available in J, C, and D (probably all Business), and at least four in W, Y and B (likely all economy). As the flight sells out, they'll close the lowest fares from right to left, so if the cheapest fare is showing seats available, it's likely that there are still quite a few seats available.

Thanks.Thats educational.But how will one know the total no of seats & what does each Catergory of Alphabet represent.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 762 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12754 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
...there are at least two seats available in F and A (probably both first class), at least four available in J, C, and D (probably all Business), and at least four in W, Y and B (likely all economy).

Instead of "seats available", aren't these numbers showing "bookings accepted"? You may buy these 4 seats and end up but be denied boarding due to overbooking.

Seats available to purchase are not always equal to empty seats


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12742 times:

Quoting Qwame (Thread starter):
Today Air India starts a direct flight between Mumbai and New York. I think given their new first and business class cabins on their brand new 777-200LR, ...

 yawn   yawn  . Wake me up when they put the next 777-200 LR they get on a BLR-SFO service.

By the way is the BLR-SFO service just thinking out aloud by some AI official or is it under serious consideration?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12698 times:

Quoting Aisak (Reply 13):
Instead of "seats available", aren't these numbers showing "bookings accepted"?

They're arguably the same thing, seeing as a (proper) airline won't sell you a seat if it believes there won't be one available, inclusive of overbookings.



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11289 times:

Guys check this link: http://specials.rediff.com/money/2007/aug/02slide1.htm appaling reporting from the indian media. Read the comments on that page below the article......

Then check this image: http://specials.rediff.com/money/2007/aug/02sd4.jpg

Why is the captain on the right? Or is the picture inverted.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11289 times:

Can someone explain why Sameera Reddy flagged off AI141?


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10847 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 16):
Why is the captain on the right? Or is the picture inverted.

Pic for the press,not the operating crew I guess.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10711 times:

Air India had a huge spread in the NY Times yesterday, one of the best airline ads I've ever seen IMO. At the top is a q & a with the CEO about the 777-200LR, and Air India's future plans for the 787. Expect nonstops from the US to Bangalore and Chennai.

At the bottom of the page was all about the 777-200LR and their new service features, again it was the best airline advertisement I've seen in a long time. I wish someone would scan it, my scanner is too small.



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User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10708 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):
Expect nonstops from the US to Bangalore and Chennai.

SFO-BLR has already been mentioned..

-JD


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10554 times:

NY flight takes off near-empty, but Air India hopeful of better numbers.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/

Quotes:
Even as Union Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel flagged off Air India’s inaugural non-stop flight to New York amid much fanfare early on Wednesday, the flag carrier’s top brass mulled over the near-empty Boeing 777-200LR that pushed back from Mumbai’s Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport at 12:45 am.

For onboard the “historic” flight were a meagre 80-odd passengers—including a dozen freeloaders—as against the 238 seats available. Or a paltry 33 per cent load. What’s worse: things don’t appear much better for the first fortnight either.
“As per booking details available for the first 10 days, the average load will be around 40 per cent or 95 passengers per flight, which is much lower than expected,” revealed a source. During the same period, Delta Airlines—the only other airline offering a non-stop service between the two financial nerve centers—has a handful tickets available, that too in the higher classes.

Air India had opened bookings with fares over 30 per cent higher than the industry average on the sector, which were later brought at par, because of slow bookings. Yet, Air India’s target of a 75 per cent average load factor—roughly 178 seats—on the popular route seem far off: the poorest capacity will be on their second flight, with merely 56 passengers holding reservations, followed by the third flight that will have as few as 62 fliers.


User currently offlineVTNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10430 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):
I wish someone would scan it, my scanner is too small.

Aapne farmaya aur humne...... Not too bad of a job stitching the pics together in five minutes though. Click the pictures for full size image.

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 851 File size: 142kb
Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 807 File size: 63kb



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User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10404 times:

Sorry to rain on anyones parade but isnt a 14 hour sit time in JFK a bit much, and costly?

Could the route be extended to Houston, Dallas, or Miami?

-JD


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10386 times:

AI needs a IAD-DEL/BOM non-stop to fill the loads...hehehehe j/k

I am sure the loads will eventually pick up, JFK is a huge market for AI, but starting IAD won't be a bad idea (no non-stop to India). So get those planes and start the IAD service  Smile



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25 FLYGUY767 : The rumor says that United Airlines is looking at IAD-BOM with the 777... -JD
26 VTNYC : I think all these cities will eventually get their own service from one of the airlines in India, if not daily at least thrice a week or so. I have f
27 Jacobin777 : ...their de-rated and lower MTOW B777's won't have the legs to do with with a decent load of pax/cargo...it would be weight restricted. ..gosh, talk
28 Post contains images Boeing747_600 : Hey Mk777, get in line will ya?!!! I've got a DAL (yes DAL, not DFW) - BLR service on my wishlist already!
29 Nimish : That would be surprising given the absolute lack of interest that UA have recently shown in restarting service to India. And given that they don't ha
30 Post contains images Mk777 : I am sure IAD will commence sooner than DAL or even DFW... so you might wish to join the line behind me.... But i am sure AI has a plan for expansion
31 Post contains images Boeing747_600 : regarding DAL, I forgot to mention that also on my wish-list is the Wright Amendment getting its much deserved fatal kick in the teeth.
32 Post contains images Bwest : I suppose this is partly a reaction from Air India to Jet Airways new routes that go via BRU ? They are keen to emphasise the "non stop" part in the a
33 BoeingBoy : Check out the arrival times over the next 2 weeks ? This is a loss leader flight for AI - it will never do as well as JFK-LHR-BOM
34 Feroze : Can someone tell me how BOM-JFK-BOM can be a daily flight when they currently only have the one 772LR?
35 Post contains images Comorin : I just landed at JFK a few hours ago on VS045 and I must say the new AI 777 looks beautiful. It was parked behind the usual 747 and it looked a lot sh
36 Post contains images PNQIAD : This would make perfect sense if AI is eventually going to join *A - IAD-BOM could be a codeshare between AI and UA. Actually coming to think of it -
37 Vtnyc : 6:40 on 8/2 VT-ALA and VT-ALC have been delivered. What is the status of VT-ALB?
38 HAWK21M : When did the 2nd Arrive. regds MEL
39 Mtsubshe : Since the aircraft is sitting for 14 hrs at JFK, will it be the same crews flying it back to india, or a different set of crews
40 Sshank : This would make sense if UA showed any interest in operating to India. The last I checked with my friends at UA, I was told to not hold my breath. The
41 Post contains links VTNYC : RE: Air India Shows Off New Colours (by Flyvabb Jul 29 2007 in Civil Aviation)
42 HAWK21M : Are you saying there are Two B772LRs in the country. regds MEL
43 Vimanav : This ad was splashed in the TOI as well about a week ago. Here's something that intrigued me: I see a very common error in the assembly of snap on ty
44 VTNYC : Affirmative, Andhra Pradesh and Assam, if we are to believe Cricket. Also a daily BOM-JFK cannot be operated with one aircraft. Arunachal Pradesh sho
45 Post contains links VORFMD : BTW. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200708021830.htm
46 HAWK21M : When. regds MEL
47 Sammyk : I believe it arrived the same day as -ALA. From what I've seen/read -ALC was the one that was escorted by the fighters while -ALA was on the ground.
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