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How On Earth Do You Get To Your Biz Class Seat?  
User currently offlineTallguy14 From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 228 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12601 times:
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Sure seems these are tight quarters. Has anybody been in the new British Airways Business Class? Or a similar cabin configuration? I imagine people having to swing off the overhead bins in order to get to their seats in the middle section.

How do you get to your seat without disturbing other passengers?


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User currently offlineMBJ2000 From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12432 times:

whoa! you're right this is horrible, imagine sitting in the middle section in your own "c-block", who was the brilliant mind who designed such a cr*p?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31414 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12403 times:
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Maybe the seats are offset from the window, offering a small corridor? Never been on BA, so just guessing.

User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12403 times:

is that the upper deck?

User currently offlineMSPGUY From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12335 times:

It looks like that frosted shade moves and you then get in and out by your seat mates feet. If you look at the pic only one shade is closed.

just my  twocents 



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12305 times:
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Quoting Positiverate (Reply 3):
is that the upper deck?

no - even BA would find it hard to fit 8 abreast on upper deck



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12287 times:

Quoting Tallguy14 (Thread starter):
Sure seems these are tight quarters.

Not really tight. All you need is to walk around the feet of the "outer" passenger. It's somewhat tight but nothing compared to getting into a Monkey Class seat over two seated fat ladies.

And the seat makes it all worth it. Big grin



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User currently offlineDeltagator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12287 times:

Quoting Tallguy14 (Thread starter):
How do you get to your seat without disturbing other passengers?

Look closely and you will see a space behind the seatback of a forward facing seat and the foot of the next forward facing seat back from that one that allows you access to the rear facing seats on the inside or up against the windows.



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User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12276 times:

Well when boarding the seats are easily asscesible when the seats are in the upright position as the passenger can get by as the footrest is stowed. However when the seat is in the full flat position, Window seats and those middle seats are all blocked in and you have to step over the other seat. It seems that they didnt have them offset and there are no corridors to allow you to get to the seats.

This is not the top deck of the 744 as it is only in a 2-2 config


User currently offlineBoeing77W From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12149 times:

Quoting MSPGUY (Reply 4):
It looks like that frosted shade moves and you then get in and out by your seat mates feet. If you look at the pic only one shade is closed.

This is just a privacy screen between the seats, it doesn't provide access to the seats as it doesn't extend down to the floor


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12123 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
no - even BA would find it hard to fit 8 abreast on upper deck

It's similar to UA's new biz configuration.



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User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12112 times:

It looks very strange with this seating layout.
It is better with the usual one.
But it can still be a problem to get into a
window seat...


User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12056 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
It's similar to UA's new biz configuration.

Not really. The United layout has a row of rear facing and then a row of forward facing.

The BA layout has 4 of each per row.

Also when flying in Club World it is not particularly difficult to get out of the middle seats, and in fact if you are travelling with someone they are very good indeed.

The layout also always looks a bit odd in photos, but in real life makes quite a bit of sense and is suprisingly spacious.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11910 times:

People love living 8-10 hours a day in cubicles so much that they want them on airplanes now ??  

I'd rather be the person doing the crawling over - rather than crawl overee.

[Edited 2007-08-01 19:11:14]

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11646 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 11):
But it can still be a problem to get into a
window seat...

Only for simpletons that don't understand the concept of walking through an open area to get to their seat once they locate it based on the seat numbers above their specific row.

How hard is it to step through an opening or worst case over the legs of someone while you are in an upright position versus the side by side lie flat seats where you have to stretch over that person's whole body? Do the math and I think you might just figure it out.



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User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11581 times:

This post seems slightly redundant. This seating configuration has been around for nearly 10 years, introduced as the worlds first fully flat business class bed. It has been hugely popular and is a consistent award winner (not that that counts for much...). Your observation is a little bit late therefore! And of course incorrect. The perspective from the photo is misleading, similarly with Etihad business class cabin.
The latest NGCW product keeps the same floorplan but upgrades the seat/bed, TV etc.

The only way to experience it is to fly it, not make sweeping criticisms based on a photographic image, so give it a go.

As to comments about "cubicles" it is in fact quite spacious but business types frequently travel alone and like to sleep with privacy, work with privacy,.......so the cubicle.You will see that many international carriers have adopted "pod" like layouts (VS< AC< DL> NZ>CX for example).
Others, like LH seem to prefer seating in pairs where your bed reclines into a box under the seat in front of you....THAT is restrictive.
Give business travel a go and you will be able to judge properly.


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11523 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
even BA would find it hard to fit 8 abreast on upper deck

With BA having a 8 abreast Business Class seating in their B744 (main deck), I am curious what LX will offer in their new Business Class (onboard slightly less wide A330/A340) which is rumoured to feature a 2-1-2 seating ...
-HT



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11466 times:

Let's all remember that pax don't normally get in and out of their seats every five minutes. If you're that incontinent may I recommend prebooking an aisle seat.

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 11):
It looks very strange with this seating layout.
It is better with the usual one.
But it can still be a problem to get into a
window seat...

And you base this on? My wife, who has flown this BA cabin several times, says the seats are great and getting into the "far" seat is not really an issue. It's much more logical when you see the real article.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14):
How hard is it to step through an opening or worst case over the legs of someone while you are in an upright position versus the side by side lie flat seats where you have to stretch over that person's whole body? Do the math and I think you might just figure it out.

Indeed. Easier than side by side by a long shot. Worst case, you just ask the outside person to shift a little. Just like on any seat.



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User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11382 times:

I far prefer the VS "pod" seating layout. Seems much less intrusive than this. As previously said, many business people travel alone...


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User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11377 times:

I flew on BA in Club World a number of years ago (in the old J configuration upstairs). It was by far the best seat in the house. Why? Because my wife could actually get out of her seat.

The title of the post is really a misnomer. The problem is not getting to your business class seat on BA, it's getting out when you have to go to the lavatory.

The problem with the old configuration (and the new one it would appear) is that there is NO way to get out if the aisle seat in in the fully flat position. Even when the seat is up and if you are big (wide), it was very difficult to get in and out of the seats, especially downstairs.

It would seem that with the improvements in the new configuration and I have to admit, I do like what I see, the only thing that I don't like is that if you are in the middle or on the window and you have to go to the bathroom...well, you are hosed (literally).

I recommend bringing a portable toilet with you which can be used in your seat. OK, by now, you must think I'm completely mad. That's ok, but what do you do when you are stuck for over 90 minutes and you can't get out of your seat and you HAVE to go to the lavatory?

There are biodegradeable solutions (fluid only in your seat, please...for men and women) that will pass TSA muster because they are a completely self-contained heavy plastic containers that contain a powder (non haz-mat) with a specially designed funnel...in other words, it doesn't leak and when mixed with fluid turns into an odorless gel. They are made specifically for use on aircraft (for private pilot use). This may sound a tad gross and a little absurd, but if you have benign prostate hyperplasia (as I do) and you are in a lot of pain when you have to go and it is impossible to get out of your seat, you do what you have to do...

If I am stuck in a window seat and in turbulence and I am there for a long time and cannot get up for safety purposes, I've used these systems before (not often, thankfully) and no one is the wiser as I take them with me off the aircraft and disposed of them in the terminal lavs. In the new business class with the privacy screens, no one should notice if you are discreet...its design even mitigates any noise. The number of units I bring is directly proportional to the length of the flight. I try to avoid using them (for obvious reasons and the no so obvious ones...they are not cheap), but if I'm stuck and there is no alternative other than waking the passenger in the aisle seat (or asking the f/a to do it...which will piss them off), at least I have an option. If anyone is interesting in learning more about the product (a lifesaver if you have BPH), send me a private message and I'll give you a website where I'll post the links to the product's webpages.

If this solution seems unseemly to you, then plan your bathroom breaks carefully...because once the aisle seat goes down into the flat position, you cannot get out. The big problem is on long flights, you must drink a lot of water to stay hydrated and at high altitude, your kidneys go into overdrive (this is the reason they spread out giving fluids on board the flight and don't give large amounts of fluids at once...so that the lavs don't get filled up too quickly).

To those of you who may be "grossed out" by this post, I apologize. However, this is actually quite useful information for those of you who may be in the same situation as I face when I travel. Of course, securing an aisle seat is the best option...but when you can't?? I've tried to be as delicate with this as possible so this post doesn't get removed. Just remember, I have 30 years experience, mostly in long haul travel. Over the years, I've seen almost everything...almost.

All that aside, as I have said, I like the new BA seat. It is a little wider (thank god..the old one was not much wider than a coach seat and hard as a rock when you sleep on your side...which you had to unless you were short and/or really thin) and a bit softer, making it less painful to sleep in the fully flat position.

baw716



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User currently offlineWestJetYQQ From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

WHICH WAY IS FORWARD?

This arrangement looks kind of cramped, and a little claustrophobic if you ask me. And you can't even see out the window!



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User currently offlineTallguy14 From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10368 times:
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The reason I ask-- I'm 6'5 and even the most careful person would still trip over my feet on the way out of a middle seat. I just thought it was be a humorous sight-- passengers grabbing on a strap hanging from the overhead bins and literally swinging themselves into their seats.

And for sheer entertainment value, who wouldn't want to see that?
 Big grin


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10118 times:

I think you are making more out of it than needed. The system works although it does look a little funny and I don't see your height causing any issues because you walk into the inner pod versus crawling over the other passenger. Even when the out passenger is sleeping the height of their legs/feet is low and you have a bigger opening to step through than you do when trying to crawl over someone in a regular side by side seating arrangement.

Swinging passengers would be interesting but no fatties please! I don't need an overhead falling down on me because Big Bertha grabbed onto one for support.

[Edited 2007-08-02 03:25:52]


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9884 times:

Quoting WestJetYQQ (Reply 20):
WHICH WAY IS FORWARD?

This arrangement looks kind of cramped, and a little claustrophobic if you ask me. And you can't even see out the window!

A lot of people don't care about the window. It is really not cramped and claustrophobic, especially compared to a Monkey Class seat. Believe me that when you see it reality you will notice it is quite spacious. And those who have actually used it say it's quite good.

Quoting Tallguy14 (Reply 21):
The reason I ask-- I'm 6'5 and even the most careful person would still trip over my feet on the way out of a middle seat. I just thought it was be a humorous sight-- passengers grabbing on a strap hanging from the overhead bins and literally swinging themselves into their seats.

Actually some aircraft have a sort of notch at the bottom of the bins. Very practical for holding onto as you get into your window seat.



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User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9199 times:

I know I will get blasted but other than from a revenue point of view (I know thats one of the reasons why) I have never understood the need for these kind of seats. When did we start having problems sitting on the old fashioned business class seat? It was a nice big thickly cushioned seat that had a reasonable recline and a nice foot rest. (also great service) Most of the business class passengers probably spend more time in their work cramped work cubicles every day! The costs to install and extra weight of these "cubicles in the sky" make no sense to me! Yeah sure BA and others get to charge large sums of cash for the comfort of one's bedroom. but I still shake my head when I see these seats.

I have never had the opportunity yet so maybe I will change my mind after a flight in a J or business "Mini cube" but I have had quite a few 6 to 8 hour flights on AC in their "old" business class and I found it to be comfortable enough.

A few questions........

how much trouble is the in flight service?

Does anyone remember which airline started this trend?

Maintenance costs, are they more problematic than the older design?

How safe are these kinds of seats in a low impact crash?

Does any one else agree?

I know they are nice and all but damm.................pretty soon they will have individual state rooms..............oh wait, they do!

Flame Away!  duck 


25 Ezra : Whoa - in seven years here, this is the most disturbing thing I've read on a.net!
26 A3 : It's one of the most unappealing Business class arrangements . Some must take a look at the B.C of most Asian and Arab Carriers to take an idea how t
27 Flight7E7 : I recently flew from LHR-PVG on the old config seats (same layout) and got stuck with a window seat. Anyone with claustrophobic tendancies (not me) wa
28 Uzimmermann : I have flown on the old Club World config, being 6' and > 300lbs, the seats were still great. As mentioned it is hard to get in or out when the isle s
29 Post contains images MBJ2000 : Who decides to open or close the shade between an aisle and center seat? If the pax on the aisle seat doesn't want to see you, the you're probably st
30 Readytotaxi : Who decides? The adults do, I hope.
31 Starlionblue : Not really any trouble. They just reach over one pax just like they do with usual seats. BA I believe. Safe enough to be certified. If you have an im
32 A3 : Actually i wasn't kidding ( I guess i am feed up with snobbish remarks about economy class travel that i have read over and over in this forum that i
33 Comeflywithme : Yes I agree, much prefer Iberia's longhaul Business Class cabin - far more roomier and less claustrophobic even if the service isn't as good. Not man
34 Starlionblue : It's cool. Don't get me wrong, I fly biz/first when I can through upgrades etc... One would be dumb not to. But I don't feel that this makes me any b
35 Post contains images VV701 : However not many airlines other than BA seem to have realised that the human body is broader in its upper half than its lower half and that by altern
36 Post contains links and images Molykote : I honestly prefer the old cradle/recliner style business class seating to the new rush for lie flat beds with partitions (referring generically here,
37 Post contains images 9VSIO : I go down the jet bridge and into the aircraft. If I'm boarding from door 2, I normally turn left there but occasionally go up the steps. If boarding
38 Lostturttle : Thank you for your answers, though like others ......................I tend to agree with Molykote I
39 BA380 : what absolute rubbish to say that the BA J seats are difficult to get in and out of... They are MUCH, MUCH, MUCH EASIER to get in and out of than old
40 Post contains images Uzimmermann : That is how it was every time for me on BA, flying J and F (all via miles upgrade). Even I always fly to Germany (HAM) I find it nicer going through
41 SNATH : I don't know whether you mean that your preference is for BA over LH, but LHR totally and utterly sucks compared to MUC. Really. LHR used to be bad,
42 9VSIO : Doesn't Eos have a similar seat arrangement, except there are no backwards facing seats?
43 Post contains links Avianca707359B : Take a look at their slide show link below, click on "Photo Album" on the left, go to frames 14, 15, 18, & 19. There is a "passageway" between the fo
44 Post contains images Gkirk : Looks daft. Much prefer a 29" seat on a Thomas Cook 757-300
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