Deaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1419 posts, RR: 1 Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17141 times:
Hi guys
We all know the competence of the media and their accuracy as far as aviation material goes. Listen to this:
I am watching "The Fabulous life: Jaw dropping celebrity splurges" and they showing Oprah and mentioned how she charters 4 "Jumbo Jets" from AA to fly over a 1000 employees and their families to hawaii.
So first of all, since when did AA buy the 747 again? (Sarcasm)
What did she actually charter?
Sorry i dont have a link to that, but has anyone else watched it to bear testimony to this factually wrong statement?
regards
nitin
PS: they also went to the extent to show 4 747's while mentioning it.
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N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17128 times:
From the Compact Oxford English Dictionary:
jumbo jet (n): a very large airliner carrying several hundred passengers.
As to the 747 specifically, well, sometime back in the '70s. NASA has a couple of them now.
[Edited 2007-08-01 18:52:58]
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Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21041 posts, RR: 60 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17056 times:
Quoting N844AA (Reply 2): jumbo jet (n): a very large airliner carrying several hundred passengers.
yep, several is 3 or more but not too many. "More than 2, but not many." AA has no jumbo jets, only midsized jets as none of their jets carry "several hundred passengers."
Before the 773 and A346, there was only one "jumbo jet" which was the 747 (other than high density smaller jets, I guess).
It may have been a mix of 763 and 772 if they had to fly over 1000. Can't see AA having 4 777s available at once for charter.
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AAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 16 Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17056 times:
Quoting Cruiser (Reply 1): How long ago was this? It could have been back when they did have 747's...
It was not that long ago.
IIRC, she chartered (4) 763 Aircraft from AA to take everyone to Hawaii.
LHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 553 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17018 times:
She chartered 4 767s to bring her entire staff and thier families to Hawaii for an entire week. A friend of mine was acatually on the trip. Oprah of course flew in her private jet though.
N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16947 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4): yep, several is 3 or more but not too many. "More than 2, but not many." AA has no jumbo jets, only midsized jets as none of their jets carry "several hundred passengers."
Fair enough.
In this context, I would probably make a half-hearted argument that "several" is an appropriate measure kicking in anywhere above two, thereby rendering "several" as applicable to, say, 2.4 hundred-units, but this would mainly be a tedious exercise designed to avoid admitting that I may have been wrong.
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Deaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1419 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16910 times:
Quoting LHUSA (Reply 7): Oprah of course flew in her private jet though.
Did she? lol, all i know is that she sent ti back or it flew from whereever, probably ORD to Hawaii with her 5 dogs onboard because she was missing them!
Jeesh i wish i were her mutt! hmmmm
which Jet does she own though?
regards
nitin
PS: plus whats its registration?
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Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5095 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16910 times:
Quoting LHUSA (Reply 7): She chartered 4 767s to bring her entire staff and thier families to Hawaii for an entire week. A friend of mine was acatually on the trip. Oprah of course flew in her private jet though.
ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1605 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16823 times:
Quoting Deaphen (Reply 9): Jeesh i wish i were her mutt! hmmmm
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21041 posts, RR: 60 Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16772 times:
Quoting Captaink (Reply 10): I guess she has a bit of disposable income.
She's giving back to her employees. What's wrong with that?
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Jbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 509 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16698 times:
I watched her episode detailing the trip to Hawaii and she referred to "our friends at AA". At no point did Oprah have clips of 747s but instead 767s and 777s. Its very possible that the Fabulous Life, not Oprah used the incorrect clips.
The reference to AA would suggest that it was joint venture, they are the official airline of the show and fly all guests to Chicago. My guess is that the charters were paid for but that AA didn't make much money on it, and enjoyed the good publicity.
SBBRTech From Brazil, joined Jul 2007, 722 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16438 times:
Is the name (nickname?) JUMBO exclusively used for the 747? I´ve seen loads of news material referring to a multitude of aircrafts as Jumbo....even the A340....
but afterall, what do they know?
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Jbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16097 times:
Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 13): The reference to AA would suggest that it was joint venture, they are the official airline of the show and fly all guests to Chicago. My guess is that the charters were paid for but that AA didn't make much money on it, and enjoyed the good publicity.
Given the loyalty of her fans, Oprah name dropping AA once or twice in a well watched show is worth more in revenue than any expense AA may have incurred providing the jets for the trip.
N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16056 times:
Quoting Jbernie (Reply 16): Given the loyalty of her fans, Oprah name dropping AA once or twice in a well watched show is worth more in revenue than any expense AA may have incurred providing the jets for the trip.
No kidding. They should replace those oneworld stickers with whatever they put on the cover of Oprah's book club selections.
New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1922 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15516 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12): She's giving back to her employees. What's wrong with that?
Nothing at all. Good for her and good for them! Wish more companies would give back to the employees. A little bit goes a long way...
Bluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3139 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15428 times:
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4588 posts, RR: 18 Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15218 times:
Quoting Deaphen (Thread starter): So first of all, since when did AA buy the 747 again?
On the one hand, I'm embarrassed to say that I understood immediately what you meant, given that some consider the 747 to be "the" "Jumbo Jet".
However, I have to say that having a discussion on a topic so incredibly picayune just snapped the needle right off my NerdOMeter.
Fact is, it's entirely understandable that a show like the one being discussed would pump up the "luxuriousness" of Oprah's spending, and wouldn't hesitate to call any kind of big airplane a "jumbo jet", and that any normal person would consider a plane that holds 250 people to be a "jumbo" airplane. I personally think that it tends to demean the more useful technical postings here for us to chastise a non-news program for calling a big plane "jumbo". I would want to save the hyper-detailed analysis for when it matters (like with regard to how an aircraft accident is explained).
On the other hand, it's a free country. Even if it isn't entirely so on a.net.
Boeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14045 times:
I am positive that AA does not have any 747 on fleet. The largest one they have is Boeing 777. It will be interest to figure out where they able to get 747 for AA with paint on it. Also Oprah is flithy rich woman. She has money, I mean has MONEY!! So she can afford to pay for company's vacation to Hawaii.
Rampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2871 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13921 times:
Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 20): However, I have to say that having a discussion on a topic so incredibly picayune just snapped the needle right off my NerdOMeter.
Fact is, it's entirely understandable that a show like the one being discussed would pump up the "luxuriousness" of Oprah's spending, and wouldn't hesitate to call any kind of big airplane a "jumbo jet", and that any normal person would consider a plane that holds 250 people to be a "jumbo" airplane. I personally think that it tends to demean the more useful technical postings here for us to chastise a non-news program for calling a big plane "jumbo". I would want to save the hyper-detailed analysis for when it matters (like with regard to how an aircraft accident is explained).
LOL! Exactly my thinking.
In earlier parlance, "Jumbo" was any widebody. 747, DC10, TriStar, A300 counted. (And to really raise some of your hackles, a "jumbo" was sometimes synonymous with an "airbus", a term used by some press and literature to describe DC10s and Tristars.) If the A300 counted as a jumbo, so could a 767. Certainly a 777 could. American owns both 767s and 777s. They therefore fly, thinking broadly, "Boeing Jumbo Jets". Didn't American once play up the widebody experience on the 767 as the same as what they had on DC10s? While the tabloid program was sort of stretching the point, I wouldn't call them wrong. Showing 4 747s as stock footage for example, well, that would be "wrong", but outside of our circles, does it really matter beyond the brief humor value to air nerds?
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5447 posts, RR: 53 Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11537 times:
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 21): It will be interest to figure out where they able to get 747 for AA with paint on it.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11442 times:
For a long time, any widebody was called a jumbo jet. It just happens that the 747 has always been the widebody most identified with the term.
Quoting Deaphen (Reply 3):
True, but they did mention "Boeing Jumbo Jets".
Which could include DC-10s, MD-11s, 767s or 777s as well as 747s.
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25 Nudelhirsch: She probably chartered four C17 from USAF to bring along her ego... She would not want to miss that on Hawaii... And probably another C17 carrying her
26 Rampart: Just for fun, I looked up some non-747 Jumbo Jet references, some from reputable print media, some from the airlines themselves, and a couple weird on
27 Wjcandee: Rampart: Nice work. I enjoyed the links.
28 Ikramerica: Are you saying Oprah lies and exaggerates to her ignorant audience? If so, I agree with you. She's been doing it for years...
29 HPAEAA: I flew through ORD that day... I stopped by my old haunts in the tower only to see ppl complaining because almost all the MX personal that day were p
30 ZKSUJ: I presume it would be 767s or something of similar size. Because 1000 divided by 4 is 250 PAX per plane, its a pretty empty looking jumbo (For a char
31 LACA773: When someone like Oprah charters a/c like this for these special trips, does she also pay for them to cater the aircraft so her loyal employees & thei
32 Jkj777: How do you decide which employees sit up front on these flights? If I had been there for 15 years and some little first year human resource punk sat u
33 Paneuropean: AA has always been a big contributor to the OWS. I have seen al guests flying in and out of ORD travelling with AA (Since they don't serve AMS, I gues
34 Jbmitt: Yes it was clear though that she had organized for General Motors/Pontiac to give them away. They offered the cars for a new promo and for attention,
35 Ikramerica: And put them into a higher tax bracket, where the overall impact was not just paying the tax on the car, but paying a higher tax rate on all of their
36 N62NA: Lucky for her employees that the A300s can't make ORD-Hawaii!
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