Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Oprah Charters 4 "jumbo Jets" From AA?!?  
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1427 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18091 times:

Hi guys

We all know the competence of the media and their accuracy as far as aviation material goes. Listen to this:

I am watching "The Fabulous life: Jaw dropping celebrity splurges" and they showing Oprah and mentioned how she charters 4 "Jumbo Jets" from AA to fly over a 1000 employees and their families to hawaii.

So first of all, since when did AA buy the 747 again? (Sarcasm)

What did she actually charter?

Sorry i dont have a link to that, but has anyone else watched it to bear testimony to this factually wrong statement?

regards
nitin

PS: they also went to the extent to show 4 747's while mentioning it.


I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
36 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18078 times:

How long ago was this? It could have been back when they did have 747's...


Leahy on Per Seat Costs: "Have you seen the B-2 fly-by at almost US$1bn a copy? It has only 2 seats!"
User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18078 times:

From the Compact Oxford English Dictionary:

jumbo jet (n): a very large airliner carrying several hundred passengers.

As to the 747 specifically, well, sometime back in the '70s. NASA has a couple of them now.

Big version: Width: 562 Height: 383 File size: 108kb


[Edited 2007-08-01 18:52:58]


New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18031 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 1):
How long ago was this? It could have been back when they did have 747's...

Hmmmm it was for the 20th anniversary of something.... if its Harpo it was founded in 1988, so i really doubt it was in 2008 lol!

Quoting N844AA (Reply 2):
jumbo jet (n): a very large airliner carrying several hundred passengers.

True, but they did mention "Boeing Jumbo Jets".

regards
nitin



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18006 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 2):
jumbo jet (n): a very large airliner carrying several hundred passengers.

yep, several is 3 or more but not too many. "More than 2, but not many." AA has no jumbo jets, only midsized jets as none of their jets carry "several hundred passengers."

Before the 773 and A346, there was only one "jumbo jet" which was the 747 (other than high density smaller jets, I guess).

It may have been a mix of 763 and 772 if they had to fly over 1000. Can't see AA having 4 777s available at once for charter.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12573 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18006 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting Deaphen (Thread starter):
So first of all, since when did AA buy the 747 again?

Maybe they meant some of those 777 "mini-jumbos"?



Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana!
User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18006 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 1):
How long ago was this? It could have been back when they did have 747's...

It was not that long ago.


IIRC, she chartered (4) 763 Aircraft from AA to take everyone to Hawaii.



Where did everybody go?
User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 565 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17968 times:

She chartered 4 767s to bring her entire staff and thier families to Hawaii for an entire week. A friend of mine was acatually on the trip. Oprah of course flew in her private jet though.

User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17897 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
yep, several is 3 or more but not too many. "More than 2, but not many." AA has no jumbo jets, only midsized jets as none of their jets carry "several hundred passengers."

Fair enough.

In this context, I would probably make a half-hearted argument that "several" is an appropriate measure kicking in anywhere above two, thereby rendering "several" as applicable to, say, 2.4 hundred-units, but this would mainly be a tedious exercise designed to avoid admitting that I may have been wrong.



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17860 times:

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 7):
Oprah of course flew in her private jet though.

Did she? lol, all i know is that she sent ti back or it flew from whereever, probably ORD to Hawaii with her 5 dogs onboard because she was missing them!

Jeesh i wish i were her mutt! hmmmm

which Jet does she own though?

regards
nitin

PS: plus whats its registration?



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17860 times:

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 7):
She chartered 4 767s to bring her entire staff and thier families to Hawaii for an entire week. A friend of mine was acatually on the trip. Oprah of course flew in her private jet though.

I guess she has a bit of disposable income.



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17773 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 9):
Jeesh i wish i were her mutt! hmmmm

which Jet does she own though?

regards
nitin

PS: plus whats its registration?

HARPOPRAH's Jet (by ChiGB1973 Apr 22 2007 in Civil Aviation)

M


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17722 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 10):
I guess she has a bit of disposable income.

She's giving back to her employees. What's wrong with that?  Smile



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17648 times:

I watched her episode detailing the trip to Hawaii and she referred to "our friends at AA". At no point did Oprah have clips of 747s but instead 767s and 777s. Its very possible that the Fabulous Life, not Oprah used the incorrect clips.

The reference to AA would suggest that it was joint venture, they are the official airline of the show and fly all guests to Chicago. My guess is that the charters were paid for but that AA didn't make much money on it, and enjoyed the good publicity.


User currently offlineSBBRTech From Brazil, joined Jul 2007, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17388 times:

Is the name (nickname?) JUMBO exclusively used for the 747? I´ve seen loads of news material referring to a multitude of aircrafts as Jumbo....even the A340....
but afterall, what do they know?



"I'm beginning to get the hang of this flying business" - C3PO
User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17312 times:

Quoting SBBRTech (Reply 14):
Is the name (nickname?) JUMBO exclusively used for the 747?

For a long time it was. In may places in the world the plane was called Jumbo and not 747.



I can drive faster than you
User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17047 times:

Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 13):
The reference to AA would suggest that it was joint venture, they are the official airline of the show and fly all guests to Chicago. My guess is that the charters were paid for but that AA didn't make much money on it, and enjoyed the good publicity.

Given the loyalty of her fans, Oprah name dropping AA once or twice in a well watched show is worth more in revenue than any expense AA may have incurred providing the jets for the trip.


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17006 times:

Quoting Jbernie (Reply 16):
Given the loyalty of her fans, Oprah name dropping AA once or twice in a well watched show is worth more in revenue than any expense AA may have incurred providing the jets for the trip.

No kidding. They should replace those oneworld stickers with whatever they put on the cover of Oprah's book club selections.



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16466 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
She's giving back to her employees. What's wrong with that?

Nothing at all. Good for her and good for them! Wish more companies would give back to the employees. A little bit goes a long way...


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16378 times:

The Harpo Inc GLEX was @ HNL for almost a week ...
http://hnlrarebirds.blogspot.com



"The best use of your life will be to so live your life, that the use of your life will outlive your life" -- D Severn
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5197 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16168 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Thread starter):
So first of all, since when did AA buy the 747 again?

On the one hand, I'm embarrassed to say that I understood immediately what you meant, given that some consider the 747 to be "the" "Jumbo Jet".

However, I have to say that having a discussion on a topic so incredibly picayune just snapped the needle right off my NerdOMeter.

Fact is, it's entirely understandable that a show like the one being discussed would pump up the "luxuriousness" of Oprah's spending, and wouldn't hesitate to call any kind of big airplane a "jumbo jet", and that any normal person would consider a plane that holds 250 people to be a "jumbo" airplane. I personally think that it tends to demean the more useful technical postings here for us to chastise a non-news program for calling a big plane "jumbo". I would want to save the hyper-detailed analysis for when it matters (like with regard to how an aircraft accident is explained).

On the other hand, it's a free country. Even if it isn't entirely so on a.net.

Okay, I'm done. Talk amongst yourselves.


User currently offlineBoeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14995 times:

I am positive that AA does not have any 747 on fleet. The largest one they have is Boeing 777. It will be interest to figure out where they able to get 747 for AA with paint on it. Also Oprah is flithy rich woman. She has money, I mean has MONEY!! So she can afford to pay for company's vacation to Hawaii.

User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14871 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 20):
However, I have to say that having a discussion on a topic so incredibly picayune just snapped the needle right off my NerdOMeter.

Fact is, it's entirely understandable that a show like the one being discussed would pump up the "luxuriousness" of Oprah's spending, and wouldn't hesitate to call any kind of big airplane a "jumbo jet", and that any normal person would consider a plane that holds 250 people to be a "jumbo" airplane. I personally think that it tends to demean the more useful technical postings here for us to chastise a non-news program for calling a big plane "jumbo". I would want to save the hyper-detailed analysis for when it matters (like with regard to how an aircraft accident is explained).

LOL! Exactly my thinking.

In earlier parlance, "Jumbo" was any widebody. 747, DC10, TriStar, A300 counted. (And to really raise some of your hackles, a "jumbo" was sometimes synonymous with an "airbus", a term used by some press and literature to describe DC10s and Tristars.) If the A300 counted as a jumbo, so could a 767. Certainly a 777 could. American owns both 767s and 777s. They therefore fly, thinking broadly, "Boeing Jumbo Jets". Didn't American once play up the widebody experience on the 767 as the same as what they had on DC10s? While the tabloid program was sort of stretching the point, I wouldn't call them wrong. Showing 4 747s as stock footage for example, well, that would be "wrong", but outside of our circles, does it really matter beyond the brief humor value to air nerds?

-Rampart


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12487 times:

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 21):
It will be interest to figure out where they able to get 747 for AA with paint on it.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Bob Garrard
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Wingnut



User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26538 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12392 times:

For a long time, any widebody was called a jumbo jet. It just happens that the 747 has always been the widebody most identified with the term.

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 3):

True, but they did mention "Boeing Jumbo Jets".

Which could include DC-10s, MD-11s, 767s or 777s as well as 747s.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
25 Nudelhirsch : She probably chartered four C17 from USAF to bring along her ego... She would not want to miss that on Hawaii... And probably another C17 carrying her
26 Post contains links Rampart : Just for fun, I looked up some non-747 Jumbo Jet references, some from reputable print media, some from the airlines themselves, and a couple weird on
27 Wjcandee : Rampart: Nice work. I enjoyed the links.
28 Post contains images Ikramerica : Are you saying Oprah lies and exaggerates to her ignorant audience? If so, I agree with you. She's been doing it for years...
29 HPAEAA : I flew through ORD that day... I stopped by my old haunts in the tower only to see ppl complaining because almost all the MX personal that day were p
30 Post contains images ZKSUJ : I presume it would be 767s or something of similar size. Because 1000 divided by 4 is 250 PAX per plane, its a pretty empty looking jumbo (For a char
31 LACA773 : When someone like Oprah charters a/c like this for these special trips, does she also pay for them to cater the aircraft so her loyal employees & thei
32 Jkj777 : How do you decide which employees sit up front on these flights? If I had been there for 15 years and some little first year human resource punk sat u
33 Paneuropean : AA has always been a big contributor to the OWS. I have seen al guests flying in and out of ORD travelling with AA (Since they don't serve AMS, I gues
34 Jbmitt : Yes it was clear though that she had organized for General Motors/Pontiac to give them away. They offered the cars for a new promo and for attention,
35 Ikramerica : And put them into a higher tax bracket, where the overall impact was not just paying the tax on the car, but paying a higher tax rate on all of their
36 Post contains images N62NA : Lucky for her employees that the A300s can't make ORD-Hawaii!
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
AA.com Unveils "new" Booking Feature posted Tue May 22 2007 00:08:26 by ElmoTheHobo
UA "Deal": Upgrade Y From ORD-DCA For $1300! posted Wed Feb 21 2007 16:05:01 by GoAllegheny
"Out Of Chicken?" - Beat The F/A! AA 65 Incident posted Tue Sep 26 2006 14:58:50 by BWI757
What Airplane Did AA Call "stretch"? posted Fri Sep 1 2006 19:31:00 by United787
Where Does The Name "Narita" Come From? posted Wed Apr 6 2005 06:56:02 by GoBoeing
Where Did The Term "Firebomber" Come From? posted Thu Mar 17 2005 00:50:53 by Blackhawk144
Northwest "WorldLink" ...IFE From Another Era? posted Thu Jan 6 2005 19:55:33 by UnitedFirst
Fokker 100EJ - The "new" Bizjet From Stork Fokker posted Thu Jun 3 2004 09:14:03 by Ktliem@yvr
Why "Jumbo"? posted Fri Apr 16 2004 16:07:09 by Ciro
Where'd The Term "cockpit" Originate From? Et Al posted Fri Jan 16 2004 23:02:40 by ConcordeBoy