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Yet Another Serving Of Irish Aviation: 34/07  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9619 times:

Good morning folks and welcome on board once more for the next sailing of the good ship "Irish Aviation"; hard a starboard, steady as she goes, avast there, me hearties (and other nautical terms) ...

Anyway, now that we've got past July without being blown away or drenched, here's to a much brighter August, a month which will finally see the first of EI's three new US routes - to Washington - starting up. We should also, hopefully see more concrete information about EI's tie up with Jet Blue.

What we may not see, unfortunately, is progress on the planning permission for T2 and the new runway, both of which (I understand) have been held up; T2 is being held up by Ryanair - what's new - and it's looking like it might not now be available until 2010, which would be a big disappointment.

Next week should see the long awaited announcement of EI's new hub, although that shouldn't be a huge surprise; it seems to be the worst kept secret that it will be BFS, with Heathrow being the first route.

So, folks, take a seat and let's line up on 34 and roll!

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27312 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9590 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Next week should see the long awaited announcement of EI's new hub, although that shouldn't be a huge surprise; it seems to be the worst kept secret that it will be BFS, with Heathrow being the first route.

Will be interesting to see what the exact details are etc....what routes they intend to serve and also frequency. Id love to see an A330 back in BFS again.


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9576 times:

3 Aircraft to be based and BFS and it looks like AMS will be a route....


John Hancock
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27312 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9572 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 2):
3 Aircraft to be based and BFS and it looks like AMS will be a route....

Is that going to be a KL codeshare?? A AMS link has been missed since KLM UK pulled out years ago. AMS would be popular with an EI/KL codeshare.


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9564 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Is that going to be a KL codeshare?? A AMS link has been missed since KLM UK pulled out years ago. AMS would be popular with an EI/KL codeshare.

Certainly looks that way



John Hancock
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27312 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9561 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 4):
Certainly looks that way

Excellent !!! Fingers crossed. Its badly needed. 45-55% of traffic could easily be picked up by connecting KLM pax in AMS.

I wonder what EI will charge KL for that portion of the segment.

[Edited 2007-08-02 10:57:23]

User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9534 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):

I sent you a little PM you might find interesting!



John Hancock
User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9479 times:

Just thinking, can't wait to see EI's updated Route Map!


John Hancock
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27312 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 7):
Just thinking, can't wait to see EI's updated Route Map!

Yes it will certainly be interesting. So did anyone book the €189 o/w fares to the USA ?? I wish my DUB to MCO was tomorrow!!! Having a sample of the J class at the weekend made me excited.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9432 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 7):
Just thinking, can't wait to see EI's updated Route Map!

Yeah I'm looking forward to seeing what it will look like, they cant fit many more routes on the current European map.

Nice photo of Premier class on Flickr, does it belong to anyone on here?
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=979008186&size=l

[Edited 2007-08-02 15:02:55]

User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9407 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 2):
3 Aircraft to be based and BFS and it looks like AMS will be a route....

So 3 a/c, and we'll see 4x daily LHR, 2x daily AMS, but where else? I heard they were considering BRU aswell?

Maybe MAD, MXP/LIN, FRA, MUC, RIX, WAW, VCE, BUD?


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9403 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):
Maybe MAD, MXP/LIN, FRA, MUC, RIX, WAW, VCE, BUD?

One out of these



John Hancock
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27312 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9376 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 9):
Nice photo of Premier class on Flickr, does it belong to anyone on here?
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne...ize=l

Yes its very nice. Maybe worth doing the 125 DUB-SNN on Saturday LOL... Big grin


User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9329 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 9):
Nice photo of Premier class on Flickr, does it belong to anyone on here?

I've got a bit of a similar photo, but still no sign of the USB cable.

Has anyone bought this months issue of Ailiner World? There's an article in it about the worlds busiest airports, and a list of the top 100, in terms of passenger numbers (whilst also having lists for cargo, by the tonne, and aircraft movements). DUB features at number 57 in terms of passenger numbers having handled 21,196,862 in 2006, and moving up six places from 63 in 2005, with 14.9% growth since 2005. DUB is handeling more pax than CPH (59), ZRH (63), JNB (75), VIE (79) and GMP (94).



St. Flannan/ Fhlanain- She took off to find the footlights, And I took off for the sky
User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9318 times:

Quoting EISHN (Reply 13):
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 9):
Nice photo of Premier class on Flickr, does it belong to anyone on here?

I've got a bit of a similar photo, but still no sign of the USB cable.

The cabin looks quite messy in that shot, probably just after a flight, theres also an economy class shot that looks great with all the green PTVs. I'm sure the USB cable will turn up, I lost one for about 3 months then I realised I put it back in the suitcase and packed it away. Cant you use another USB cable or is it unique to the camera?


User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9311 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 14):
Cant you use another USB cable or is it unique to the camera?

It's a little more on the unique side. I've never even heardof the brand, FinePix.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 14):
theres also an economy class shot that looks great with all the green PTVs.

The cabin appears to be a little more clean in that one. I like the EI advertising you posted on there as well!
I though this was a little interesting. Check out the title:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/handjes/937424743/



St. Flannan/ Fhlanain- She took off to find the footlights, And I took off for the sky
User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9309 times:

Just was looking at the pax comments on the various airlines, and EI isn't getting bad marks actually. The general consensus is that staff are very good, fares are very good, but on the long haul flights, the cabins are looking very tired and worn. Compared to BA, EI isn't doing half bad - staff & bag issues top the complaints for BA, while DUB is EI's biggest sore point I think. (as LHR is for BA)

Just passing along some comments.

Pilot21

http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/Forum-A.htm



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9283 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 16):
Compared to BA, EI isn't doing half bad - staff & bag issues top the complaints for BA, while DUB is EI's biggest sore point I think. (as LHR is for BA)

Yes, BA (and BAA) are really in the wars this week, between being fined for price-fixing and losing bags, it may well be a week in which WW says to himsef, "why did I leave EI? I could be a 330 captain by now|"

The good thing for EI is that it is actively tackling these issues.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27312 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9280 times:

Quoting EISHN (Reply 15):
It's a little more on the unique side. I've never even heardof the brand, FinePix.

Is your camera a Fuji??? They use Finepix brand. You can go to Harvey Norman and get another USB cable . I dont think they are too expensive.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27312 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9259 times:

Just one thing I forgot to bring up . When I flew SNN - DUB the menu in the seat in Premier was still there so I took it. I noticed that for breakfast on arrival into SNN it showed the following on offer ::

Bagels served with cream cheese ( yuck )
Croissant ( Ok if its hot and not like a brick )
Yoghurt
Fresh sliced fruit

Thats ALL????? On LAX flights they offer hot breakfast iun addition to the above consisting of ::

Barmbrack French toast, Sausage and grilled tomatoe.

Should this not be available on ALL USA-IRL flights ??? You pay EUR 1400 oneway for Premier and they cant even give you a hot breakfast on the East Coast routes !!! Total discrace really. On Swiss you get a full hot breakfast in C from ZRH to DUB .


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9253 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Thats ALL????? On LAX flights they offer hot breakfast iun addition to the above consisting of ::

Barmbrack French toast, Sausage and grilled tomato.

Should this not be available on ALL USA-IRL flights ??? You pay EUR 1400 oneway for Premier and they cant even give you a hot breakfast on the East Coast routes !!! Total disgrace really. On Swiss you get a full hot breakfast in C from ZRH to DUB .

I'd tend to say this is actually enough. Remember most of EI's East Coast flights arrive pretty early into DUB (the 104 is 5.30am!) and having flown the route quite a bit in J class, after they serve you canapes, then starter/main course/desert/coffee/chocolates etc for dinner, there is about 3hrs left before you land in DUB, and the thought of a big breakfast, especially when your body says it's 1am US time isn't that appealing. I think they've looked at the stats and flights times and have made a good call on this one.

Just my 2 cents

Pilot21



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27312 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9248 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 20):
I'd tend to say this is actually enough. Remember most of EI's East Coast flights arrive pretty early into DUB (the 104 is 5.30am!) and having flown the route quite a bit in J class, after they serve you canapes, then starter/main course/desert/coffee/chocolates etc for dinner, there is about 3hrs left before you land in DUB, and the thought of a big breakfast, especially when your body says it's 1am US time isn't that appealing. I think they've looked at the stats and flights times and have made a good call on this one.

Just my 2 cents

Pilot21

I like someting hot when I come into land . Having done tons of Trans Atlantics I always am glad of hot coffee/hot croissants and either a sausage egg bacon or an omellette. Im just a person that needs hot food in the morning . They should offer both or be able to request it. It wouldnt kill them . After all your paying enough for it . I guess it costs 10-20 Euro !!!! If that !!!


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9241 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Just one thing I forgot to bring up . When I flew SNN - DUB the menu in the seat in Premier was still there so I took it. I noticed that for breakfast on arrival into SNN it showed the following on offer ::

Bagels served with cream cheese ( yuck )
Croissant ( Ok if its hot and not like a brick )
Yoghurt
Fresh sliced fruit

Thats the same as CO's J offering. It fruit, a croissant/cinnamon roll, yoghurt, juice and tea/coffee. Its hardly a huge breakfast, but the flight is only just over 6 hours, and the meal service takes about 3hrs, so most people are glad to just sleep, and wake to have something small. The first of EI's TA's arrive so early, that I think the breakfast menu you saw is appropriate! Bagels and cream cheese sounds lovely!


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9233 times:

Quoting EISHN (Reply 15):
I like the EI advertising you posted on there as well!

Thanks!

Quoting EISHN (Reply 15):
I though this was a little interesting. Check out the title:

 laughing  There are lots of good photos of EI on Flickr, I'm always going on there to see if there's anything new and interesting.

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 16):
Just was looking at the pax comments on the various airlines, and EI isn't getting bad marks actually.

Yeah I haven't seen anything under 3 stars for Aer Lingus and quite a few 4/5 star ratings which is great to see from passengers. The most recent review talks about the website rather than a flight but still gets 3 stars.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9219 times:

Quoting EISHN (Reply 15):
I've never even heardof the brand, FinePix.

Its a Fuji??? My camera is a fuji as well, and AFAIK the camera is tha very small standard USB connection. I think just about any USB cable with this connection should work with your camera though.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):

Maybe MAD, MXP/LIN, FRA, MUC, RIX, WAW, VCE, BUD?

I would guess WAW. EI have seen some success there. At both Cork and Dublin. Madrid also a possibilitty. Milan and Frankfurt unlikely, IMHO.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):
2x daily AMS, but where else?

More likely a very early morning departure, if the flight is codeshared with KL. Somewhere around the 0600 mark, for best connectivity with the majority of the KL network?

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
25 Post contains images Smokeyrosco : nope
26 Post contains images EISHN : I tried other cables, and they don't fit. It's quite a latge hole to fill, bu USB standards. Do the same myself. Lots of thing there worth seeing. Ju
27 Post contains images OA260 : Sounds disgusting to me ..... but then everyones different so thats why they should cater for everyone. Im not asking for a full fry up . Just someth
28 BrianDromey : Certainly unusual. Im sure the USB cable will turn up soon though. Of course, another option is to get a multi card reader. Its quite handy really, i
29 COEI2007 : EI has been getting 4/5 stars since I started working there! Yeah, i'd say WAW. I wonder where else? I Yeah, probably an early departure, and an even
30 OA260 : A 6am start would be essential to connect with KLM global network. A return flight at around 1800/1900 would be good but then you need two flights a
31 Post contains links Shamrock350 : http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0802/wicklow.html
32 OA260 : " target=_blank>http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0802/wic....html They were lucky. Isnt that near the Marriott Druids Glen Hotel and country club???
33 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus obviously needs more people like you working for them  Anyway its good to hear things are going well for you at Aer Lingus COEI2007. Yes,
34 Post contains images EISHN : I take it you get your bran from somewhere else then??? I wouldn't say they'd do that straight away. I'd say they'd probally start with a few weekly
35 EI787 : Looking at the EI sale to the USA which ends tonight, I notice that the fares are not eligible for the accrual of Gold Circle Points. I've never seen
36 BrianDromey : They have done it on short haul for quite a while. Which is a pain, especially as there is no facility to select a specific fare type. The EI booking
37 EI787 : Out of interest, do they tell you before you purchase that the flight chosen cannot earn GC points?
38 Post contains images OA260 : Haha ...lucky my Dad has decided to move to the good old US of A from October so I will be racking up more Star Alliance flights and miles and no mor
39 Rineanna : A friend of mine flew to Chicago with EI last February, and she said that they served her a Croissant with cheese & ham inside in it which apparently
40 Toulouse : Nope, but what you can do is (as somebody once told me here on a.net) is click on "fare rules" when booking and the first letter indicates the class
41 EI787 : Aha! Neat tip!
42 EISHN : Does anyone know if we can expect the repainting of an A330 this Summer? Over the last two years, EI have repainted four A330s. In Summer 2055, JFK go
43 Post contains links EISHN : Just noticed something on the nose of EI aircraft. On the nose of the A330s, on the left hand side you had the name of the saint in english, like St.
44 OA260 : Hmm well does the prefix (St.) apply in Irish or have they messed it up??? I always thought in Irish they just put the name without the prefix and th
45 Smokeyrosco : I do know whats to be announced but I can't tell on here at least not before Saturday, if anyone really wants to know PM me and I'll hint at it. It's
46 Planemanofnz : Great news about Belfast! Will it be BHD or BFS? I would prefer BHD but either are good I guess. Potential routes I see are : -LHR -AMS -FRA -CDG -MAD
47 Post contains links Kaitak : Looks like it's going to be a battle of the orange (EZY) and the green (the home team!) at BFS! Easyjet has just announced four new routes at BFS: htt
48 Smokeyrosco : Ya got two (the obvious ones) and it looks like BFS
49 Planemanofnz : It says here : "RYANAIR is facing into increased competition on its newly announced Belfast operations as rival easyJet has just announced four new r
50 Smokeyrosco : Wasn't Easyjet already in DUB and FR squeezed them out, I know when I worked for Sky Handling we had a Tug that was inherited from EasyJet although n
51 Rineanna : Yes, to EMA, PIK and LPL. Yes, I'd love to see EZY back in the Irish market. Now thet FR have started serving some of the major airports, like MAD an
52 Humberside : Looks like a three way LoCo 'battle' at BFS - EZY, EI and Jet 2. Two of the EZY's new routes - BCN and PRG, are already served by Jet 2 - getting back
53 Post contains links EISHN : That's the way it's been since the new livery was introduced in the late 90's. But looking back at the pictures of the aircraft repainted in the last
54 Bramble : Mise. Have to upload my other DUO shots but hit my monthly limit. Had the a/c to myself for about 10 mins during a turnaround. It had just come in fr
55 Post contains links EISHN : " Aer Lingus the first in Europe to launch new routes under Open Skies" Nothing we didn't know before, but some interesting tourist figures. http://ww
56 Rineanna : Interesting to note that EI operated the A321 to BUD; I wonder if this is a regular occurrence? I wonder if/when FR will launch BUD? It seems inevita
57 EI787 : Aer Lingus On-time flights for July: 66% on time 95% within 60 Minutes. Slightly up on June figures but still a very poor performance for EI.
58 Smokeyrosco : I'll post something very special this evening! it should answer a lot of questions.[Edited 2007-08-03 14:54:08]
59 OA260 : Thats only 3 seats pre assigned. There could be 10 others booked who havnt pre assigned their seats yet and then there are the upgrds at the gate!!!
60 Shamrock350 : There will probably more than what the seat map shows. Does anyone know why the economy fare has gone back to €117 not including taxes/charges when
61 OA260 : Must be although there are only around 3 or 4 seats left at that price !!! Also they will be using one of the old A/C for the in augural. I thought t
62 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus have done this before, on the first DXB flight I think they used EI-EWR and not EI-DAA. I hope on the first SFO flight they use EI-DUO.
63 OA260 : I was reading a article from 1987 and it stated that BA was to place a Tri Star in September of that year from Dublin to London!!! Did this ever happe
64 BrianDromey : I suppose it really should be "Naomh Padraig" or N. Padraig. I have a feeling that street names as gaeilge do not have the naomh either, although Im
65 Post contains links OA260 : If anyones looking for a good place to go on holiday and to plane spot try Samos !!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDKV8Hj7ZfY
66 Post contains images Smokeyrosco : Well I'd have gotten into trouble if I did it before everyone else went home , believe me I SOOOOO wanted to share this since I knew it a few days ag
67 Post contains images Smokeyrosco : right I have some bad news. SNN-LHR is being dropped altogether... (man this is going to cause problems) now for the Good news, EI are going to base 2
68 EI787 : Thanks for sharing the news Smokeyrosco! Great to see the expansion! I suppose it is inevitable that services at SNN will be reduced. With all the Low
69 EIRules : OK Im back after some sillyness (on my part). Thanks to a couple of people (2 in particular) for making me realise my stupidity. What a time to come b
70 EISHN : Are you 100% positive? I know a lot of people who use this service every week, my dad included. I think it's very foolish, they should keep at least
71 Smokeyrosco : Not 100% but fairly close to it, I do trust my source.
72 Smokeyrosco : We've all (or at least I have) had some sillyness (I've had loads of sillyness). May I welcome you to the forum seeing as it's your first post on the
73 EISHN : Altogether, or just a few of the flights?
74 Smokeyrosco : I'll call my mate and double check tomorrow. I'm pretty sure it's completely going though unfortunately. It looks like SNN is making way for BFS's br
75 Rineanna : There's going to be absolute war from all the various business, tourism and economic lobby groups in the mid west. Now, putting any shannon bias I ma
76 EISHN : Highly disappointing. Prehaps we'll be able to sign a petiton if it comes to be. And just when we thought EI were making some progress.
77 Post contains images OA260 : Hey there a big welcome back , you were missed !!! Great news indeed. This is a huge development in many ways!!!! Politically and in NI aviation. It
78 Revo : Do you ever really think EI will base outside Ireland/Northern Ireland.
79 Shamrock350 : I'm really disappointed at the loss of SNN-LHR but if Aer Lingus isnt making enough money on the route and believes BFS will be better we cant do much
80 EISHN : They'd sooner serve DUB with a 747 than go to SNN. My dad (who uses the route quite frequently, almost every week) says that the flights are usually
81 EI564 : This suggets that SNN-LHR must have been doing really bad. There was no other airline on the LHR route from SNN, while bmi is doing up to 8 services a
82 OA260 : Well now I thinks its unlikely for a good while. Yes its a bad hit for SNN. Yes indeed , sign of the times we live in . Smokey when will the flights
83 COEI2007 : The 321's fly nearly anywhere! I've been on one to VIE and GVA! I think it'll get worse before it gets any better. DUB in the early hours is an absol
84 EISHN : Don't forget about BOS, the 133 DUB-SNN-BOS. I thought SNN-ORD was dropped for the Winter, but EI have it advertised as direct from SNN for the Winte
85 OA260 : Talking about crew will we see Ulster crew hired??? I guess its only fair seeing as its a Ulster base.
86 Shamrock350 : I think BHX continues to be of interest to EI and it might be possible that EI look at basing aircraft there. Belfast was looking good because of the
87 COEI2007 : I'm surprised to hear its going, although nothing is confirmed yet. I wondered where they were getting the slots from. But if they reduced DUB-LHR by
88 COEI2007 : Its EI124/125 SNN-DUB-ORD I'd say they'll hire a few. That said, i'd say a few from DUB will transfer. BFS-LHR could easily be operated by DUB crew.
89 Planemanofnz : Oh no! This is very sad indeed. How long will it take people to drive from SNN/Limerick to Cork to use EI there? Maybe BD will jump in? This is great
90 Cjbmibe : We've been discussing EI/FR/U2 in the rest room at BHD for a while now and until last week we wouldnt have believed it but we were sure none would get
91 Planemanofnz : What a load of junk! Not only will BFS provide a long runway and larger terminal to handle excess capacity and maybe expansion into the US, but it al
92 Smokeyrosco : 100+ jobs are to be created in (and around Belfast) comprised of cabin crew pilots. Apparently this can rise to 500+ which shows they are really look
93 Kaitak : Absolutely; I didn't have a lot of sympathy with the SNN people when they were fighting against any change in the stopover (largely because I was fig
94 Post contains images OA260 : Thats been rumoured for months now . Yes you cant compare a point to point LCC to EI's codeshares with KL. The people on U2 are going just as far as
95 Humberside : Unfortuantely looks like SNN will suffer from the harsh realities of a congested LHR and they need to extract maximum value from slots, with EI clearl
96 OA260 : I cant wait to see Fastpass machines at BFS!!! Also i presume there will be a GC lounge also. I think EI will offer something that no other airline is
97 Rineanna : Highly, highly unlikely. I think SNN is pretty much fecked when it comes to EI s/h opportunities. It's such a regional market, with a thin catchment
98 COEI2007 : With Jet2 and EZY on BFS-BCN/AGP, EI will find it tough! I wonder who will be the 1st to fold, as i'd be surprised if the market could handle 3 airlin
99 OA260 : A/C was damaged last night in BOS. Dont know which one but its out of service . 132/133 cancelled and some pax being reprotected on the 137 . Just wh
100 Vfw614 : Wonder if Aer Arann will benefit from this with their flights from GWY.
101 Post contains links LIPZ : Aer Lingus confirm Belfast move Routes will include Amsterdam, Barcelona, Brussels, Budapest, Faro, and Rome. http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=8401
102 Post contains images OA260 : Hmm UTV seem to be adding an extra route by themselves
103 Smokeyrosco : The information I have is draft information and could be changed... it has changed a lot over the last week but I think the information I posted abov
104 Kaitak : A post on PPRUNE suugests it's being kept, albeit at a lower frequency; 2 daily in winter, 3 in Summer; hopefully it will be the case. What happened t
105 Toulouse : SNN-LHR is still bookable on aerlingus.com for next winter at 3 times daily... no that this means much as ei dot com can be slow at modifying changes.
106 Post contains links EISHN : This won't be happening. EI don't own the lounge at SNN anymore, and sold it to the DAA, so it's now used by the likes of EI, CO, DL, US, and AA. The
107 Kaitak : SNN-AMS would certainly be great, but I can't see EI doing it; they have previously said there wouldn't be any mainland European service to/from Shann
108 BrianDromey : I predume you ment to type EI insteadof KL!!! I dont think we will see KL in Ireland for a long time though. Id say the EI codeshare works pretty wel
109 Shamrock350 : I expected Aer Lingus to stay away from any major competition for the start of their new base just to be safe in the first few months but take a look
110 Humberside : EZY have axed the route due to issues at CIA. With EI using FCO, that doesnt affect them Arent U2 winter only now? If EI go year round, it may give t
111 EIRules : With the setting up of this new base at BFS what does this now say about EI? What I mean is, they are a long haul carrier and offer connections so it
112 Shamrock350 : Possibly, they did have the title once of "The National Airline of Low Fares" I dont think Aer Lingus is as confused as they once were, certainly not
113 Cjbmibe : BFS might have a larger catchment area but BHD is a very much business user orientated airport. BFS only has a bus running to it, BHD has the train a
114 EISHN : Well, they'll have flights to LHR, which is a focus airport for EI, or even very nearly a hub, considering the number of flights they have, and now t
115 COEI2007 : I know some of the crew on that. They positioned down to SNN, then flew as pax on a World Airways MD-11! Lucky! Id never be so lucky, as to turn up t
116 Rineanna : Interesting interview on the Indo today with Pádraig Ó Céidigh of RE. A point of interest in the article was that apparently RE have a LF of 60% on
117 COEI2007 : DUB-ORK on the 738 is a very short route, and may be flown to keep utilisation high. Just because FR's lods are 40%, doesnt mean they arent making mo
118 Post contains images N272WA : I wonder was it on N272WA................ Oh yes the memories of flying that bird as EI111 and EI112, SNN-JFK-SNN in June 2000. That flight op'd from
119 COEI2007 : Could've been! I'd love to fly an MD-11! I think a.net is getting to me! I think the thoughts of turning up to work and being told to sit back and re
120 Post contains images N272WA : I remember on take-off from Shannon, all the overhead bins burst open.... wee bit frightening, then the same thing happened on departure from Kennedy.
121 OA260 : Yes I did the 111 a few times on the MD11 was really nice although the seat in Y were basic. I got to sit in the J seats BFS-SNN and they were green
122 EIRules : Eh did we really need to know that OA260???? I think not. I was meant to fly on an AY MD-11 a couple of years back from BKK-SIN but the aircraft went
123 COEI2007 : I'd say ORD, although once the B6 alliance is sorted, maybe EI111 could operate BFS-SNN-JFK, or SNN-BFS-JFK? Who knows!
124 BrianDromey : U2 is not at all to my taste. The pitch is awful on the A319s, the seats are also very uncomfortable, and the orange highlights on the overhead bins
125 Kaitak : AY will have them for a good few more years, even though the process of replacing them has begun; they're still flown to HKG, KIX and a few other pla
126 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Weather wise its great here in London, top temperature of 30°C with clear skies. I like a good curry but I avoid the Onion Bhajis U2 are very simila
127 Post contains links and images OA260 : BLAST from the past !!! Incl the bit about BA Tristars to Ireland!! That would have been cool to get on that flight....
128 OA260 : Shamrock350 thats one thing I miss so much about West London !!! Theres a curry house on every street. You should try the sweets sometime . Burfi and
129 Shamrock350 : Thanks for the article OA260, it was really interesting. I have three down my road and a few Chinese places, on the way to LHR there are loads up and
130 Cjbmibe : U2 are superior to LS as U2 have brand new aircraft with larger cabins and a cheaper baggage policy. FR and U2 have a similar offering but U2 AFAIK r
131 OA260 : Well I think that as said before EI is a mostly respected brand on the whole Island and that will give them a big boost. If they blanket advertise an
132 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : Well RTE have either been reading some of our posts or have heard themselves that the SNN-LHR route will be dropped. They also mention the move to Ald
133 OA260 : I know of at least 2 that do read these boards!!! There have been too many coincidences. Thats why everyone should be careful on these open forums. I
134 Smokeyrosco : Ha ha, someone was out on the sauce last night I think! I never called my mate regarding if SNN - LHR is going to be dropped but I do know there is a
135 Rineanna : Unfortunately for SNN, what you've said is the harsh reality. When it was first muted on here, I just couldn't fathom SNN without a link to LHR; it's
136 EIRules : I wonder if the reason why LHR-SNN is being dropped is more down to the value of the LHR slots than the actual viability of SNN-LHR? What I mean is, i
137 Cjbmibe : Maybe the issue isnt the slots but the rest of the flight - starting fresh in BFS allows them to lower costs: outsourcing the ground services is chea
138 OA260 : I think SNN-LHR if axed will have wider implications. Alot of the major airlines like QF/EK/CX/TG etc.. all have consol fares that use the EI connect
139 Kaitak : I don't think EI requires this any more; there are lots of cabin crew from Poland, Baltic states (and indeed other European countries) who wouldn't h
140 EIRules : In one word, connections!! If that was the case then why re establish DUB-LGW?
141 Kaitak : Yes, but EI doesn't interline anymore, so it doesn't seem to make a major difference. What SNN really needs is an airline flying to a hub airport that
142 Humberside : Thats probably it. I think the reason HUY-LHR was dropped by Air UK was not because isn't wasn't profitable, but that they were going to make more mo
143 OA260 : EI still have interline agreements with alot of the Oneworld airlines. On all our consol fares EI will interline bags. They cut it down a few years a
144 BrianDromey : I wonder if they were waiting for some fool to find the gate, or if they boarded the aircraft from the front back, or maybe both! Actaully, do the BD
145 OA260 : Yes I think EI have to know what the TD's will be saying etc... I wonder if ''Vermot'' ( I think we have a new nickname LOL) will be blockaded trying
146 Bx737 : The Shannonsiders are a vocal bunch. I remember whilst I was on Commuter they (the local Chambers of Commerce) wanted the early morning EI082 moved e
147 Cjbmibe : They could not have been waiting for some clot to arrive, BHD has 10 gates, but only 4 doors leading to these gates, one central search and only one
148 Bx737 : Thanks for that interesting info. It would seem logical to go for the rollers to speed loading . It would seem to be a huge advantage in quick turnar
149 Bramble : [quote=Smokeyrosco,reply=134] EI doesn't have a short haul base at SNN anymore but is starting one in BFS,quote] There are approx 150 cabin crew based
150 Bx737 : Foegot to mention I heard EI-DUB was hit by loader in BOS, don't know how sick it is.
151 Rineanna : I love the way you imply that the axing of the LHR route in any way falls under the same banner as the whole t/a fiasco. While you have every right t
152 Cjbmibe : I would also think of it as an advantage to the LCC model requiring quicker turnarounds. I think due to the range of destinations that open and close
153 Smokeyrosco : Nope not at all, not at least for the last two years. I'm pretty sure there would have been more "persuasion" to keep SNN rather then move it to BFS
154 PM : Apologies if it has slipped past me unnoticed, but when are EI going to firm up their order for A330s and A350s? It requires shareholder approval, doe
155 Smokeyrosco : It was to be Voted on at the AGM which I think was in July, I cannot see it being shot down. Everyone is welcome in here although you have something
156 PM : Thanks. Even though it was January 1966 I still remember it well. Good cabin crew too, if I remember! I had twenty more flights on 1-11s between 1971
157 Dstc47 : 1. Anybody catch the views of Dublin airport from 1983 in "Educating Rita"? The long corridor leading to pier A, now occupied by moving walkways, queu
158 Post contains images OA260 : I think id rather stick with the mud huts than the infamous ''Kilcooley Estate'' in Bangor Very good piece Rineanna, I agree with you about the impor
159 EIRules : Totally agree Rineanna. As I said above I think this has more to do with the strategic value of LHR slots for either sale or use elsewhere than the a
160 EISHN : Just in case anyone hads forgotten, EI 119to Washington Dulles leaves DUB in about 40 minutes time for it's inaugural flight. I was listening to somet
161 Bramble : I remember the inaugural EI145 to LAX had free commerative pens for all pax. Strangely I think this time EI will not do anything 'nice' like that thi
162 Post contains links Rineanna : And so it begins................ http://www.rte.ie/business/2007/0806/aerlingus.html
163 Shamrock104 : Aparently passengers on the innaugural DUB-ATH got free baseball hats at Athens airport, with the EI logo and the Athens airport logo on them, tho i r
164 OA260 : I can maybe understand the bit about low yields. The amount that airlines pay EI for connecting traffic onto say QF BA TG etc... are alot less then t
165 Post contains links LIPZ : Aer Lingus planning eight new routes from Belfast International Aer Lingus is to open eight new routes from Belfast International to London and Europe
166 Tonymctigue : Good evening all from Bundoran, Co. Donegal. This news about EI pulling the SNN-LHR route is probably do more damage to SNN than amount of TA routes t
167 Bramble : And definitely a bad PR move. They dropped the DUB-ORK routes and got a lot of bad PR for it.
168 Kaitak : Even there, I wouldn't put DUB-ORK in the same class as SNN-LHR; access to LHR is a lifeline. Again, I go back to my own experiences here in Jersey, w
169 OA260 : Yes you are right. I used to be on the BA shuttle every weekend and it was a great service but it never really made money. It was a political link an
170 COEI2007 : Haha! No! Otherwise, a lot of people wouldnt be flying for EI! Although, its nice to get on a flight and have the welcome made in Irish. I dont mind
171 OA260 : Hmmm they just mentioned it on 6:1 news. Got less than 15 seconds!!! Said SNN is set to go and BFS-LHR being opened instead!!! I presume we will see m
172 Smokeyrosco : At the end of the day if it's not making money (or even if it's just a minimal profit) it makes sense to axe it, EI needs to make money for it's shar
173 Post contains links OA260 : http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/mhcwcwcwidoj/ Aer Lingus to open eight new routes from Belfast06/08/2007 - 16:16:57 Irish airline Aer Lingus is to
174 Tonymctigue : What the SAA & other interests in the region need to do now is just accept this decision & rather than focusing their energy on attacking EI, they sho
175 OA260 : Well there is that of course. Maybe BA BD or BE would look at a twice daily service. Better than nothing. Alternatively you could run the EI 111 A330
176 AerArann : I read the article too. Was very interesting, and i feel RE are v.happy with the current outcome on the DUB-ORK route. To come out and publicly state
177 EISHN : It's not just EI jobs that are at stake here. My dads company has been sizing down its base at Shannon considerably for a number of years, one of thos
178 Clydenairways : Well i think that EI are trying a bit of O'Leary tactics here in relation to SNN. They are probably paying the airport full normal charges that they h
179 OA260 : I sympathise with you EISHN and I agree a LHR link is vital to that area. I didnt support the TA stance of the SNN stop over but this is different an
180 Post contains links EISHN : They have two flights on Thursdays to Minsk. http://www.shannonairport.com/flight...ml&imageField.x=13&imageField.y=11 You'll find a flurry of strang
181 Smokeyrosco : It's been stated that the Load factor is very high but the yeild is the problem.
182 EISHN : Sorry, forgot about that. But still, if the demand is there, I think they should keep it, even if they reduce the frequency.
183 Bx737 : The weather got the better of it, but I believe it is going ahead on September 2nd.
184 Post contains images Rineanna : They mix and match the TU154s with their 735s from time to time. I thnk they might also have a Monday flight too. Well, if Belavia can make Minsk wor
185 OA260 : Even if it was loosing thousands it would stay . Isnt Belarus the last dictatorship in Europe??? I presume they take cargo and link up with the SNN -
186 EISHN : Just get a bit of Vodka in your system, and you'll have no problem with the flight!!!!
187 Shamrock104 : Hey, lay off Belavia! They're cool, so is Minsk for that matter. The visa is a hastle to get but otherwise the best weekend break you can get. Minsk i
188 Post contains images OA260 : Been there a few times have you??? So wheres the TR with loads of pics then ??? LOL... Cant believe that you didnt document such an experience!!! I w
189 Smokeyrosco : Just a little snippet, Ryanair are about to do a little U turn on advertised fares, from very shortly they are going to advertise all taxes and charge
190 Shamrock104 : : ) yeah... bit lazy on the old trip reports front i'll admit. fantastic experience. Soviet planes rock. My first was an Estonian Air Tupelov-134 in t
191 Kaitak : Well, it's Super/S****y Tuesday (depending on whether you're from Belfast or Shannon) and I can't help thinking what's going through DM's mind as he g
192 Snnus : Will FR add another daily LGW flight as there will be huge demand for london services??
193 Andaman : AY MD-11's (7) will be gone by the end of 2010.
194 Post contains images N272WA : Indo states that FR tomorrow will announce: Dublin to Marrakech Dublin to Nice Dublin to Basel Dublin to Budapest Dublin to Prague Dublin to Katowice
195 Post contains images OA260 : Oh how times have changed!! One article states that EI will be welcomed by Dr Paisley      [Edited 2007-08-07 09:54:29]
196 Post contains links OA260 : http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=84034&pt=n TUESDAY 07/08/2007 08:06:09 Paisley welcomes Aer Lingus move First Minister Ian Paisley will welcome Ir
197 Post contains links OA260 : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6934107.stm The first flights will begin in December to Amsterdam, Barcelona and Geneva, followed in Janua
198 N272WA : DUB to IAD first flight was operated by EI-LAX with a 38 min delay!!! 1430 ..1710 LAX ..1441A ..1748A
199 OA260 : Just some snipets from the papers :: Irish Independant: Shannon fury at Aer Lingus - AER Lingus was last night accused of turning its back on Shannon.
200 Post contains links N272WA : www.aerlingus.com Aer Lingus announces new base at Belfast International Airport (BFS) Unique growth opportunity for Aer Lingus Following extensive ev
201 Smokeyrosco : You know, thats a lot of employees to support 4 flights a day for an aircraft that isn't even based in SNN? Well thats good new, I think it would be
202 OA260 : Nice to see it will be localised. Makes sense and should prove a success.
203 Pilot21 : There was a poster on pprune who mentions that cuts in the DUB-LHR services are on the cards as well. Apparently the lease deal with CO on LHR slots h
204 Bx737 : I was just wondering, if the yields on SNN-LHR are so good that all of the Mid-Western tourist chiefs are up in arms, why has there not been more comp
205 OA260 : I dont think they are . They are just feeder flights to connect to other airlines. I would love to see the stats for LHR stopping pax and connecter t
206 N272WA : looks line SNN/LHR is gone completely. cannot book it after march 2008 on aerlingus.com
207 OA260 : EI 372 T 17APR SNNLHR HS1 0740 0915 O E TH EI 376 T 17APR SNNLHR HS1 1250 1415 O E TH EI 382 T 17APR SNNLHR HS1 1725 1850 O E TH Still in my system bu
208 Humberside : Another new, major, airport for FR Are KLM codsharing on BFS-AMS or is there just an interline deal with them? Because it doesn't say KL are codeshar
209 AerArann : WX should really see this as an opportunitie @ SNN, and launch a SNN-CDG service, It would provide a second to none alternative to connecting PAX inst
210 EISHN : I, among others, were so looking forward to the announcemant of the new base. Now, this has been completely over shadowed the Shannon ordeal. That's s
211 OA260 : Im sure it would have to be as they do in DUB DUB AMS 1415 1650 @KL3158 Y4 X4 S4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 K4 L4 T4#320 DUB AMS 1415 1650 EI 608 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 V9
212 Post contains links Shamrock350 : It's great to hear the BFS base finally being announced and its going to be interesting to see the fares war between the airlines there and what effec
213 OA260 : Ok guys here are the AMS flights!!!! BFS AMS 0615 0850 EI 22 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 V9 N9 L9 O9 Q9 BFS AMS 1715 1950 EI 28 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 V9 N9 L9 O9 Q9 AMS B
214 OA260 : LONDON BFS LHR 0720 0850 EI 32 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 V9 N9 L9 O9 Q9#320 BFS LHR 1210 1325 EI 34 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 V9 N9 L9 O9 Q9#320 BFS LHR 1615 1730 EI 36 Y9
215 OA260 : FARO BFS FAO 0700 1000 EI 72 Y9 B9 H9 K9 MC VC NC LC OC QC#320 FAO BFS 1045 1350 EI 73 Y9 B9 H9 K9 MC VC NC LC OC QC#320 BUDAPEST BFS BUD 1530 1930 EI
216 Rineanna : There's not a hope in hell that BA/BD will open a LHR-SNN link. As was said in another thread, BD are cutting short-haul routes rather then opening th
217 N272WA : OA260 - you're a star, thanks for getting those schedules so quickly!!!
218 Smokeyrosco : Well WX can't do anything without AF's say so, I think if it was going to happen it would because AF said so not WX... having said that, WX will have
219 OA260 : BARCELONA BFS BCN 1050 1430 EI 46 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 V9 N9 L9 O9 Q9#320 BCN BFS 1510 1650 EI 47 Y9 B9 H9 K9 MC VC NC LC OC QC#320 MALAGA BFS AGP 1530 1935
220 Pe@rson : And PRG would be another brand-new airport for FR. Will be interesting to see what materalises.
221 OA260 : Well what a busy day. It seems that all EI routes bar GVA are loaded into EI CRS systems and other travel CRS systems. EI.com expect to get them withi
222 N272WA : ei.com lists BFS/GVA as Tue and Sat 11:10 14:20/15:00 16:15 I had been wondering what flight numbers EI would use for BFS. Thought it would be EI9xx,
223 OA260 : FLIGHTS NOW ON SALE!!!!
224 Kaitak : I don't think the Shannonsiders will give up that easily. Interestingly, it's reported on PPRUNE (and of course, you need to consider that the poster
225 Post contains links Shamrock350 : http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=07&month=aug&story=gen-en-070807 Ryanair say that Aer Lingus and the government lied about the need for Heat
226 OA260 : FR sour grapes again!! When will he get a life!!! Anyway just booked daytrip to AMS on inaugural 10th December for €120 all in !!! Not bad at all!!
227 EISHN : But it's not part of the Republic. It may still be on the iasland, but not IN Ireland itself. The loss of fifty jobs is completely unfare considering
228 Al2637 : Ryanair about to halt it all? A direct letter to Bertie saying they will support him if he uses the governments shareholding to block the move.. hehe.
229 Shamrock350 : The Aer Lingus route map has been updated, looks odd to see BFS on there. It may not be in the Republic but Aer Lingus and the government haven't lied
230 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Does anyone know why EI is charging £800 to fly BFS-LHR on the 16th and 17th of February? The rest of the days are normal priced at £5. This is quit
231 Kaitak : This is the quote from the prospectus which I found most interesting: "“Heathrow Airport, London serves a unique role in ensuring connectivity to/fr
232 BrianDromey : Indeed. EI have gone down the ULD route, and that was in the time of WW. So there must be a significant cost benifit. I assume, the a/c could potenti
233 Bramble : I would assume that there is a body of opinion amongst mid to top level EI management that the shannon stopover was a millstone around EI for so long
234 Pe@rson : “O'Leary just loves to stir it.” Errr, durr: FR’s intentionally confrontational and controversial stance is a highly effective strategy to get a
235 Tonymctigue : Certainly as a Clare man I'm f*****g p****d off about EI & I would be organising a boycott if it wouldn't further jeopardise EI's role in the future
236 Al2637 : Well I think it does benefit FR to try and block this. EI are not expanding european services so FR pretty much have it to themselves as it is, howeve
237 Post contains links Kaitak : Or possibly (and most likely) a subtle hint to the DAA to get its act together re DUB; BFS's runway main runway, 07/25, is currently about 500' longe
238 OA260 : Well anything is possible but I doubt Far East would be on the cards but maybe USA with an A350 in BFS would look amazing!!! HAHA the more funny thin
239 BrianDromey : Well Cullen certainly did not feel 'in any way bound" by Minister Brennnans COMMITMENT that ORK would not be held liable for a cent of the cost of th
240 OA260 : There are some Gremlins on the EI BFS routes GBP Departing Arriving Flight 12.00 Belfast Intl 07:20 Tue 08 Apr London/Heathrow 08:50 Tue 08 Apr EI32 5
241 Kaitak : Agree 100%; it really is a master stroke and as someone else pointed out above, we'll probably get some kind of seat sale, the consequence of which w
242 Tonymctigue : Don't get me wrong. Even though I'm mad about EI's decision, I'm delighted for BFS & wish them every success. I would love to see a BFS-SNN-ORD-SNN-B
243 OA260 : I agree with most of your points and I would love to see a BFS-SNN-JFK or ORD also and there is no reason why EI could not do it . The 111 was a grea
244 COEI2007 : I'm dissappointed to see EI drop SNN, as I know the importance of the route to the West. I cant say i'm surprised, but i'm still dissppointed. DM men
245 OA260 : Looks like SNN-LHR will go by 1st Jan 2008. Did Vermot fly a A320 to BFS from SNN today???
246 N272WA : Good article I found on rte travel website:- Surviving Dublin Airport *************************** August is the peak month for Ireland's underplanned
247 Post contains images Smokeyrosco : Maybe they could take a slots from places like Jersey? Not really since FR said they would sell off LHR slots if they got their hands on EI, does any
248 Smokeyrosco : eh what? thats 2013? just in time for the XWB?
249 Post contains images OA260 : LOL.....dangerous suggestion Smokey!!!!! Our tax exile wouldnt be too happy Nice article . I hope Saturdays at 1030am are not like that !!!
250 Post contains links Humberside : XL airways doing scheduled flights LGW-NOC daily except Saturday this winter. Not on sale but see the flight timetable on their UK website Originally
251 N272WA : That's good news for NOC!!!! Wow, interesting indeed to see how the FR shower will react. I wish somebody would fly from CFN to LON!! Actually, wonder
252 EISHN : Or maybe Toulouse... I'm as delighted as you are about BFS, but why should Shannon lose out on the Norths gain? why should fifty gorund jobs go, and
253 Shamrock350 : So Aer Lingus can make more money, carry more people and please the investors. The new base could be a failure but Aer Lingus believe it wont be and
254 OA260 : If SNN do get a new airline to start LHR where will the slots come from?? Slots are hard to come by in LHR. Would BA or BD give up some slots for a S
255 EISHN : There are a few slots still left at LHR, but they are very early, and very late ones. Perfect for SNN (well not really, but it's better than nothing).
256 Teahan : Has this been confirmed? I see 13 DUB-LHR-DUB flights in the sched. right through to July next year. (DUB-LHR) 06:40 07:50 09:00 10:20 12:00 13:00 14
257 Teahan : x Beyond the obvious SNN disappointment, it is also sad to see Cork losing a LHR flight. I expect ORK-LHR fares to increase considerably given the rou
258 Rineanna : Cool! Great news for NOC. I just hope FR don't get amnesia and forget they dropped the route only to re-start it with this news. Will it be a 738? Ac
259 Smokeyrosco : how long between leaving SNN and arriving in belfast?
260 Shamrock350 : If Aer Lingus can continue to cut cots the fares will drop and they already look good plus they already have the upper hand on LHR and AMS because of
261 Teahan : FR doesn't yet yet fly from Belfast to Europe... EI's longhaul operation is what gives the company overall lower costs. I don't believe short haul vs.
262 BrianDromey : IM not being smart here, but all the political activists (which, like it or not held back DUB, and still continue to hold it back) made no noise abou
263 Smokeyrosco : Does anyone know the exact situation with LHR slots? I thought EI already had slots it was leasing to other airlines?
264 Post contains links Teahan : http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0807/aerlingus.html
265 Aerarann : L.F for May = 60% (ATR42) L.F for June = 55% (ATR42)[Edited 2007-08-08 01:54:19]
266 EISHN : According to this radio snippet, DM admits that there are slots being leased at the moment to other airlines at Heathrow. One woman asks him to confir
267 AerArann : L.F: June GWY-NCL - 40% (ATR72) (ONLY 4 DAYS OPERATING) GWY-BRS - 67% (ATR72) WAT-BHX - 50% (ATR72) DUB-CWL - 70% ORK-BRS - 71% (ATR72) SNN-LHR - 80%
268 Teahan : Do you happen to have the ORK-LHR?
269 AerArann : 90% based on operating 4 flights/day for the first 3 weeks of june, and 5 flights/day after that. Based on an A320. (75% based on an A321)
270 Post contains images Kaitak : You can understand the degree of annoyance over the SNN-LHR route when you consider that a route which has been in place for 50+ years (since as far b
271 Planemanofnz : Why can't people from SNN just fly to DUB and then connect to "the rest of the world?" DUB has heaps of links to America and Europe and also two to th
272 Post contains images Eirbus06 : Shannon:I'll trade you a JFK slot for a LHR slot Cork: OK!!! Sorry to hear to all you shannonsiders. I know id be ticked off if it was Cork!!!
273 OA260 : I think the point is that companies prefer a town/city that has direct access to a major hub like LHR. If you have to do SNN-DUB-LHR-HKG it is a bit
274 Danny : Aer Lingus is now privately owned company. Their goal is to make profits not to support jobs at Shannon airport. All the time we hear whining about th
275 Smokeyrosco : yes but if it wasn't making money I'd understand (much like EI cargo)
276 N272WA : Didn't BA Cityfler operate 146's from LGW-SNN a few years back, twice daily?? Could this not be restarted?
277 OA260 : He is just a tosser!!! People shouldnt even give him air time. He doesnt give a damn about anyone other than himself. There was an article in the Mai
278 Smokeyrosco : I must point out, I lost my job after this happened, I was working for a fright forwarding company at the time.
279 Pilot21 : Nice to see somebody taking the opposite view from most of the headlines being passed around today:: Difficult but brave decision makes sound business
280 OA260 : Todays news snippets:: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BMI is unlikely to move into Shannon slots
281 AerArann : I know you posted the start of this article OA260, but the other paragraphs paint a better picture, in relation to BMI @ SNN
282 OA260 : No probs AerArann I only got the bit that I posted so thanks for the rest of it.
283 Shamrock350 : The route did work, DM said it was profitable it was just better for them to move to BFS and use LHR slots that way. Without LHR and AMS, the new bas
284 EIDAA : I was away from the middle of last week and missed some of the developments we have seen in the last few days - only catching up on the threads now...
285 OA260 : I think a BMI service would be better than an EI one in the long run. BMI is part of Star Alliance and it would be great to have a Star carrier in SN
286 Pe@rson : Anyone know what time FR is meant to be announcing its new bases/routes today? There's nothing new yet.
287 Shamrock350 : By the time EI stop the SNN-LHR route, T5 will nearly be ready and airlines would have started moving to their new terminals so connecting will be muc
288 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus have a new section on their website it's called "Aer Lingus - The National Airline of Ireland" it's on the front page with a picture of a A
289 EIDAA : Thanks! That worked.
290 AerArann : Brian will go mad if SNN get a *A airline before ORK. The value of LHR slots would not justify only having an EMB135/145 on the route. An A320 is the
291 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Has anyone noticed how the aerlingus.com front page changes every hour or something. I just clicked the website and both the Irish and UK sites have c
292 EISHN : How can people support EI when you consider what they did, or what they didn't do. They made no negotiations, consulted nobody, never took the economi
293 Smokeyrosco : Do airlines ever do this? you never see FR consulting when they pulled routes from SNN. They never said they would be Mandatory, this will be looked
294 EISHN : Ryanair never pulled such a vital route. But 45 jobs have to go either way, and no one seems interested in leaving. That's true and I'm sorry you los
295 OA260 : It looks as if Y class begins at row 9 after the last J seat and divider then row 11 is an exit row seat
296 Smokeyrosco : Actually I think you are right, now that I put my mind to it, I think it was CO throught EWR
297 Smokeyrosco : Don't be I'm in a better job now with better prospects. Cargo wasn't completely losing money either, SNN-LHR wasn't making a lot of money but it was
298 Post contains images EISHN : The EI map shows that the main cabinstarts at 11, with only rows 9 & 10 in the forward part, with 10 only having 7 seats. That's good, you're able to
299 Post contains images OA260 : Go to EI.com and look at the 14th August for EI 105 DUB-JFK then look at seat map and its DUZ!!!
300 JWMD123 : DAA looking to put pressure on the planners and the government DAA halts discounts for new routes Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:23 The Dublin Airport Au
301 OA260 : Asiana are new to Ireland and are happy to offer Business Class and Economy Class fares from Dublin via London Heathrow or Frankfurt to Seoul (Korea).
302 CTRL_ALT_DEL : I think the writing has been on the wall for Shannon for a number of years now, probably not in the particular case of the LHR route which appears to
303 OA260 : Well guys I had to do a live radio interview today and I was shaking like a leaf LOL....it was about the impact of the BFS base on the North and borde
304 Post contains images Pe@rson : And how was the Match Makers show? You know the one, you buy one you get one free. You didn't get that she-he AGAIN, did you?
305 Smokeyrosco : what station?
306 Post contains images OA260 : Dunno what radio shows you listen too but I guess it matches your taste in airlines LOL...
307 RyanairCRL : going on that idea of triangle, couldn't CO do it? EWR-SNN-LHR-EWR maybe it was included in the deal between CO and EI, EI gives them 4 slots but one
308 Pilot21 : EISHN, while I am very sorry for the SNN region that EI has pulled, EI don't need to answer to anybody when deciding what routes they add or drop to
309 Pe@rson : Simply the best, better than all the rest, better than everyone... la, la, la.
310 Kaitak : On that happy note, shall we move on to No. 35? I think we have a lot more to discuss - and a lot is yet to unfold - about the SNN-LHR issue ...
311 OA260 : Yes Kaitak time for a new thread . A Ulster special LOL....
312 Post contains links Kaitak : Here it is folks! The Fighting Thirty-Fifth: Yet More Irish Aviation (by Kaitak Aug 8 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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