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Where Was There A USair Base In Upstate New York?  
User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

I can remember back about fifteen or twenty years ago, I use to pass through a town somewhere in Upstate New York when out on road trips with the family. Anyway, there was a moderate sized airfield there, and at the time USair had some kind of operation going on here. For some reason I think I remember it being some sort of maintenance base for USair? I just remember it wasn't a passenger operation. I would have only been around 10 years old at the time, so my memories of this place are somewhat vague. Does anybody know where I'm refering to, and which upstate city/town this was located in? I can't find anything on the web or in a subsequent search of the archives on here.

Thanks,

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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

There was a carrier, Empire Airlines, based in Utica/Rome NY with a large F-28 fleet. They had sizeable operations at Syracuse, Albany and Binghampton NY. They were acquired by Piedmont sometime in the late 80's. US Air then gobbled them up. If I recall correctly, US Air continue a good deals of these operations after the acquisition and that is what you possibly saw at one of these airports. My guess is that Empire had a hangar at Utica/Rome and it may have adopted a US Air sign at that time..

User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

USAir always has a huge presence in the Pennsylvania/New York area, wouldn't surprise me if more then one or two cities had large USAir facilities.


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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 1):
There was a carrier, Empire Airlines, based in Utica/Rome NY with a large F-28 fleet.

I think it was Mohawk in Utica and Empire was in Syracuse. In any case, both ended up part of USAir eventually.



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User currently offlineKITH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

Robinson the precursor to Mohawk was founded in Ithaca, NY (KITH)

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Given the amount of unused concourse space in SYR, I'd say there was a much larger presence there at one time. I know there was also a res office as well.....

User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Mohawk's Home base was in Utica.....as was Empire Airlines.......Empire's HUB of sorts was Syracuse.....

Access-Air



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6707 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 5):
Given the amount of unused concourse space in SYR, I'd say there was a much larger presence there at one time.

Yes, Piedmont had a hub at SYR which came from the acquisition of Empire. USAir picked up the SYR hub from Piedmont (along with CLT, BWI, and DAY). I don't know the timeline for US cutting back and closing the SYR hub, though.


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Piedmont was the airline with the base in Syracuse they occupied Terminal A at its peak Syracuse saw about 250 flights a day.. Can anyone verify?

-JD


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2533 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

UsAir operated the former Mohawk hangar in UCA until sometime in the late 80's. I believe they did F28 work there. This facility might have come with the Piedmont merger. As others have stated both Piedmont and later US had a small mini hub operation in SYR.

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

before being a CO Connection carrier, Commutair was part of the US Express family and is based in PLB.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4488 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Empire Airlines started as a local service carrier in the 70's with props, based, as noted, at UCA. After deregulation they acquired F-28's and gradually built a hub at SYR using those and Fairchild Metroliners. Piedmont bought Empire and merged Empire into themselves in May 1986. USAir bought Piedmont in 1987 and integrated Piedmont into themselves in August 1989. The tear-down of the SYR hub happened in the early 1990's. They probably waited out the expiration of the consent decree with the New York attorney general's office regarding keeping a certain level of air service in Upstate NY after the merger (Atty General Abrams had threatened to sue US/ PI to stop the merger on antitrust grounds).

Syracuse Hancock's main terminal was built in 1961. It had two one-level concourses that by the early 80's were about eight gates apiece. In the late 70's the southern concourse had a second-floor addition built. Empire shared that concourse with American, People Express, Eastern, and Republic. A second-floor addition to the northern concourse was opened in summer 1985 (I visited it when it was open but carpet was still being laid down), to which American and People Express moved. In late '86 or early '87 an extension of about eight gates was added to the south concourse, which Piedmont used. So from summer 1985, Empire/Piedmont had all but the two RC and EA gates of the south concourse, and the extension after it was opened. Since USAir gutted the hub in the early 90's the south concourse has been very underused.

From Piedmont's November 1, 1986 schedule:

Syracuse, New York: 66 weekday departures
3 737's, 51 F-28's, 12 commuter prop flights.

Albany 3x commuter
Baltimore 5x (1x 732 2x F28 2x 733)
Binghamton 2x commuter
Boston 4x F28
Buffalo 4x F28
Burlington 2x F28
Cleveland 2x F28
Elmira 3x F28
Hartford 3x F28
Ithaca 3x F28
Islip 2x F28
Montreal 4x F28
Newark 3x F28
LaGuardia 4x F28
JFK 4x F28
Ogdensburg 1x commuter
Ottawa 3x F28
Rochester 5x (3x F28, 2x commuter)
Utica 3x F28
Washington National 3x F28
Watertown 3x commuter
Scraton-Wilkes Barre 1x commuter

3 75-seat jets daily on ITH-SYR, to SYR as a hub! A very different time.  

Hope this all helps.

Jim

[Edited 2007-08-03 03:56:18]

[Edited 2007-08-03 04:09:17]

User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

15 years ago US Airways also had a maintenance base at BUF airport. They used to use the old AA hangar, which is now gone to make space for BUF's terminal which was finished in 1997. BUF competed with Tampa Bay for a new US Airways maintenance hangar, and in the end it wasn't much of a competition.

User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

There was, until not too long ago, a SAC base at Plattsburgh, NY, which is now being operated as a commercial airport but I cannot remember a USair presence. Western NY, closer to Buffalo, you also have a former military base that is now doing commercial maintenance work.

[Edited 2007-08-03 04:26:25]

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Thread starter):
I can't find anything on the web or in a subsequent search of the archives on here.

Something else you'll no longer find is the UCA airport--it closed a couple of months back. All ops moved to RME just up the road...  Wink


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2533 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 13):
Western NY, closer to Buffalo, you also have a former military base that is now doing commercial maintenance work.

Actually it is in CNY close to SYR. The former Griffiss Air Base is now RME, the replacement fro UCA. Empire Aero operates a repair facility there.


User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Here are some links that pertain to this subject:

Empire Airlines 1984 timetable and route map:

http://www.departedflights.com/UR090184intro.html


Piedmont Airlines December 1985 route map prior to addition of SYR hub via acquisition of Empire Airlines:

http://www.departedflights.com/PI121585.html


Piedmont Airlines June 1986 route map following the addition of SYR hub via acquisition of Empire Airlines:

http://www.departedflights.com/PI060186.html


Complete Official Airline Guide flight schedules for SYR in December 1989 (following Piedmont/USAir merger) when USAir's SYR hub was near its peak size:

http://www.departedflights.com/SYR89intro.html

[Edited 2007-08-03 22:11:21]

User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 11):
3 75-seat jets daily on ITH-SYR, to SYR as a hub! A very different time.

The good old days at ITH.

When Empire Airlines was all jet I believe ITH had 7 daily flights. I believe the nonstop flights went to BGM, SYR, JFK, and LGA.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 3):
think it was Mohawk in Utica

Both versions of Mohawk operated out of UCA. The second version had it's base there.


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