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AA-CX: Minimum Connect Time @ JFK?  
User currently offlineFw1504 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

Can't find this info anywhere.

What's the minimum time needed if you're connecting AA -->CX at JFK? I'm headed to HKG from RDU next January and CX has a new nonstop JFK-HKG leaving at 0900. Can I connect from AA 4714 which gets in at 0730? That's the earliest flight of the day to JFK.
It would seem that 90 mins would be enough as AA and CX are in alliance and I'd have cleared bags and security at RDU, but I'd like some confirmation.

Thanks in advance

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User currently offlineBoeingBoy From Bouvet Island, joined Jul 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Quoting Fw1504 (Thread starter):
and I'd have cleared bags and security at RDU, but I'd like some confirmation.

You would have cleared bags when ? Today or next January ??



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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

AA arrives into terminal 9 and CX arrives into 7, if that helps.

User currently offlineFw1504 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

I mean of course that I will have checked bags and cleared security before boarding my flight at RDU in January. So is 90 minutes enough for a connection at JFK which involves a terminal change? How long will it take gate-to-gate?

I presume AA will check me in at RDU for the CX leg as they are Oneworld partners, or is that incorrect?


User currently offlineSFOJFK From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

Call AA EXP desk. Minimum connect time is 1:15; this includes bag transfers. I would feel safer with 2 hrs.

User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

I agree with SFOJFK, 2 hours is usually my minimum for changing airlines, especially if its to an international flight. I always factor in the fact that the plane might be late, etc. Besides, even if you do end up having more time you can certainly spot  Smile . Definitely call AA and maybe even Cathay and ask them what they recommend.

User currently offlineDLD9S From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

Are you flying on 1 ticket that will cover the entire journey, or 2 separate tickets? AA should check your bags either way if you have your CX ticket details, but if you are on 2 separate tickets you might encounter problems if AA is late to JFK and you miss your CX flight.

As for security, I think you might have to clear it again at JFK to transfer from T9 to T7 - I honestly have not flown via JFK in a few years so someone else can probably clear that up for you.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

Quoting Fw1504 (Reply 3):
How long will it take gate-to-gate?

I'd say under 30 minutes. The walk from the gate in T9 to the AirTrain is about 10 minutes. The ride from T9 to T7 is about two minutes. Once you get off the AirTrain at T7, it is about a three minute walk to the security checkpoint (which never has a long line) and then about another minute or two to the gate.

So assuming that AA can check you in for the CX leg at RDU (as well as checking your bags all the way through), you should have no problem connecting in 1.5 hours. And if for some reason you miss your connecting flight to HKG, CX has another flight that leaves around 4PM.


User currently offlineCygnusChicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Quoting Fw1504 (Thread starter):
hat's the minimum time needed if you're connecting AA -->CX at JFK?

If you're flying inbound AA, allow at least 3 hours. High chance of being delayed. You may be better taking the later CX flight, if you can.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 8):
you're flying inbound AA, allow at least 3 hours.

Don't you think this is a bit excessive? If he were arriving at 5PM it might be different, but I think 1 1/2 hours is more than enough for that time of day.


User currently offlineAussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Don't you think this is a bit excessive? If he were arriving at 5PM it might be different, but I think 1 1/2 hours is more than enough for that time of day.

Actually - no! Two hours min conx. When checking availability RDU-AND OLD: Hong Kong - Kai Tak International (HKG / VHHH) (closed), China - Hong Kong">HKG via JFK, the 9.00am flight was not showing. When you manually put those segments in, the following shows in Sabre:

1 AA4714Y 22JAN T RDUJFK SS1 600A 730A /DCAA /E
OPERATED BY AMERICAN EAGLE
2 CX 841Y 22JAN T JFKHKG SS1 900A 200P 23JAN W /DCCX /E

VCT*«
INVALID CONNECT TIME SEGS 1 AND 2 - MINIMUM IS 120 MINUTES
VERIFY ANY REMAINING SEGS


User currently offlineCygnusChicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3540 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Don't you think this is a bit excessive? If he were arriving at 5PM it might be different, but I think 1 1/2 hours is more than enough for that time of day.

No. In the last two weeks, I've missed three out of four international connections flying AA all the way through. The three missed had connecting times of 2h, 2h and 2.5h respectively. The fourth one DelAAylines was also late, but it was a 3.5h connection, so we just made it.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3535 times:

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 11):
No. In the last two weeks, I've missed three out of four international connections flying AA all the way through. The three missed had connecting times of 2h, 2h and 2.5h respectively. The fourth one DelAAylines was also late, but it was a 3.5h connection, so we just made it.

On what routes? Well with all due respect, I think the original poster will be fine (unless there is something unforeseen like a snowstorm). If his flight arrives around the time it is scheduled (+/- 15 minutes) and he is already checked through, he will have no problem making it to the CX flight ontime. And if his RDU-JFK flight is three hours late (which doesn't happen regularly) for some reason, then he can catch the CX flight a few hours later.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21654 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3524 times:

JFK doesn't usually get delayed in the morning, so if the bags are checked all the way through, and he has a boarding pass for the CX flight, 90 minutes should be enough, but it isn't going to leave much wiggle room. On the way back, allow at least two and a half hours.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCygnusChicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
On what routes?

ORD-JFK, JFK-DFW, MIA-DFW

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
JFK doesn't usually get delayed in the morning

Flight 4714 has a 76% ontime flight rating, late 11% and very late 11%, for May to July. Granted, as far as AA flights goes, this is one of the better, but basically the OP has a 11% chance of missing his connection.

I know I am being slightly facetious here, but realistically speaking, the chance that you are going to get severely delayed on this flight is only marginally smaller than the chance you get the bullet in a game of Russian Roulette. My experience with AA on these kind of connections has been abysmal. For the OP it is even worse as he is connected to CX, not an AA flight.

At the end of the day it depends on his reasons for travel, and how willing he is to have to wait a day or more if he misses his flight and the next is full. It's a risk reward trade-off.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
f his flight arrives around the time it is scheduled

AA doesn't have scheduled flight times, they have suggested flight times  Wink



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 14):
I know I am being slightly facetious here, but realistically speaking, the chance that you are going to get severely delayed on this flight is only marginally smaller than the chance you get the bullet in a game of Russian Roulette. My experience with AA on these kind of connections has been abysmal. For the OP it is even worse as he is connected to CX, not an AA flight.

With all due respect, you are wrong.

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 14):
At the end of the day it depends on his reasons for travel, and how willing he is to have to wait a day or more if he misses his flight and the next is full. It's a risk reward trade-off.

Nonsense. If he misses the 9AM CX flight, there are two more CX flights that day...Chances are he will get out to HKG that day.


User currently offlineFw1504 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

Thanks for the replies, everybody. It looks like this connection is too risky, so I'll either overnight in New York or take the(undesirable) later flight.
If I'm not mistaken, final boarding on CX is usually 30 mins before departure so I really only have an hour to get from gate to gate. I wasn't expecting to have to thru pass security again. That's decisive - I've seen how long lines can get at JFK.

Oneworld brags about "seamless connections" and they can't even put their members in the same terminal!!

Here's hoping that CX will fly to a properly designed airport like ORD or DFW, where passengers stay airside and an AA connection will be so much easier.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting Fw1504 (Reply 16):
That's decisive - I've seen how long lines can get at JFK.

Maybe at T1, T2, or T4 during the evening rush...But not T7 at that time of day (or ever for that matter)...


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 15):
Nonsense. If he misses the 9AM CX flight, there are two more CX flights that day...Chances are he will get out to HKG that day.

Yes, as CX reserve so much space on their aircraft just for situations like this. How often do you fly CX? All too frequently, EVERY flight from a given station on a given day will go out with every seat full. I've been going out of LAX to HKG on the noon flight where CX were overbooked but couldn't reaccommodate FOR THE NEXT TWO DAYS. Woe be to the folks who took THAT bump. Wasn't during the new year either!

Sorry, I fly a ton of international and have been either Plat or Exec on AA since 2002 (and Gold or Plat on CO since 1998). In this case, the advice to schedule 3 hours is very correct. JFK is a crapshoot, and what works like clockwork one day will go totally titsup the next. When things go wrong there, they tend to domino (although not anywhere near as badly as at LHR.)

@the OP, if you have the time, schedule the longer connection. Why chance it?? If you miss the flight, you're going to have a REALLY long connection!


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

Quoting Fw1504 (Reply 16):
Oneworld brags about "seamless connections" and they can't even put their members in the same terminal!!

I see *A manages this so well at JFK and around the world as well. SQ is in T4, last I checked they're part of *A. SAA are at T3, LH are in T1 and UA are all the way over at T7. Heck even at FRA, US and TP are over in T2 while LH is at T1. At SIN, UA is in T1 and SQ is in T2. At GRU... oh wait, there's no *A presence in South America anymore, I forgot! That makes TWO continents without any *A presence beyond major cities, and with UA being such a strong player in Latin America, the alliance is quite well served. Not.

[Edited 2007-08-05 21:43:41]

User currently offlineDLD9S From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 15):
If he misses the 9AM CX flight, there are two more CX flights that day...Chances are he will get out to HKG that day.

That is assuming that the CX agent has a heart and the ticket has not been suspended as a no show. Missing a flight when traveling on two separate tickets does not offer the protection that single ticket travel does. In this case CX could charge any applicable fees and fare differences if there are are any seats left to begin with.



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