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User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

Is Qantas the only airline that flies the 744 from LAX to JFK and vv?

I doubt one could buy tickets on it though? Or can you (purely on this sector?)

Also, are there any other international airlines that fly 744's from East coast to West coast US cities?

thanks!!!

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6970 times:

Quoting Ansett767 (Thread starter):
Also, are there any other international airlines that fly 744's from East coast to West coast US cities?

EVA flies EWR-SEA-TPE, daily 747-400.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

Too bad you cant buy tickets on those. Even ID/ZED ticketing is not allowed. Bummer!

User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

Quoting Ansett767 (Thread starter):
Is Qantas the only airline that flies the 744 from LAX to JFK and vv?

Sad but true... At one time we saw:

American Airlines
SFO-JFK, LAX-JFK

America West
PHX-JFK, LAS-JFK

Continental Airlines
SFO-EWR, LAX-EWR, DEN-EWR

National Airlines 747
LAX-MIA

Northwest Orient 747
SEA-EWR, ANC-EWR

Pan Am
SFO-JFK, LAX-JFK, SFO-MIA, LAX-MIA,

People Express
SFO-EWR, LAX-EWR, OAK-EWR

Tower Air 747
BWI-SFO, BOS-SFO, JFK-SFO, BWI-LAX, BOS-LAX, JFK-LAX, MIA-LAX, LAS-JFK

TWA 747
SFO-JFK, LAX-JFK, BOS-LAX

United Airlines 747
SFO-EWR, SFO-JFK, LAX-JFK, SFO-IAD, LAX-IAD, DEN-IAD, SFO-MIA, LAX-MIA,

There are others as well...

Quoting Ansett767 (Thread starter):
Also, are there any other international airlines that fly 744's from East coast to West coast US cities?

Eva Air 747-400 Combi Seattle-Newark

-JD

[Edited 2007-08-03 04:02:31]

[Edited 2007-08-03 04:06:02]

User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 2):
Too bad you cant buy tickets on those. Even ID/ZED ticketing is not allowed. Bummer!

Last year I was routed LAX-JFK-LHR with QF, then AA... Of course I was traveling with a relative employed by Qantas based in Sydney which allowed us on the LAX-JFK.. The service reminded me of what travelling in the US used to be like. A 747 on a Trans-Con, Free Hot Meal, Free Alcoholic Beverages, and Free Video/Audio.. Did I mention Customer Service?

-JD


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6701 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 2):
Even ID/ZED ticketing is not allowed.

I thought non-rev travel was allowed on those flights.



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User currently offlineHAWAIIAN932 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6597 times:

I didn't know HP flew their 747's from LAS and PHX to JFK. I thought it was strictly LAS and PHX to HNL and then on to Japan. I learned something new.

User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6546 times:

I miss flying UA 747's between EWR/JFK and SFO/LAX. UA flew 747's and DC-10's on the transcon flights during much of the 70's and 80's. I was a monthly regular after my parents split up and I had to use employee/dependent passes to visit the parent living on the opposite coast from where I was living. I mostly flew on UA 35 EWR-SFO (747) which left EWR @ 10am and UA 34 SFO-EWR (DC-10/747) which left SFO @ 2pm. I also flew on UA 22 SFO-JFK (747) -which left SFO @ 8am and UA 29 (747) which left JFK @ 6pm quite a bit around 1979/1980. Back then UA offered Ocean to Ocean service on the transcons. Dinner in coach often included baby shrimp cocktail as an appetizer and steak and shrimp as a dinner option.


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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

I remember flying Tower Air JFK-SJU back in '99, my first experience in a 747 ( a 742 if memory serves me right). The next four years I would the same route about 10 times on B6. I love Airbus and their A320, but there's something about flying in a heavy...

More recently, though, I flew LAX-Dulles on a UA 772. I've learned since that UA sometimes flies the 772s LAX-DEN as well (for positioning I believe), and DL flies 772 LAX-ATL. Ok, the 772 is substantially smaller than a 747, but it's basically the same concept (one of the largest planes in the fleet doing domestic routes).

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 7):
Dinner in coach often included baby shrimp cocktail as an appetizer and steak and shrimp as a dinner option.

Ok, maybe the "dinner" service has been downgraded a bit (hint: sarcasm!).

Cheers,
Charles


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

The date of this post is ironic to me - today, August 2, 2007, is the twenty year anniversary of my first 747 flight, TWA flight #840 LAX-JFK.

I was 21, and other than a short hop from BFL to SBA and back on United (737-200 and 727-100), it was my first major plane trip since I was eight.

The flight was selected specifically because it was a 747.

At that time, the only two airlines flying LAX to JFK with 747's were TWA and Pan Am. If the flip of the coin had been different, it would have been a Pan Am 747 we flew.

My travel agent (and very dear friend) would not let us return on TWA or Pan Am from JFK due to the fact that the westbound flights were always incoming from Europe and could be subject to horrendous delays. We instead returned on United from Newark on a DC-10.

On a side (and very somber) note, in 1996 I started noting the registration of every plane I fly on. I will always wonder if I flew on N93119 and/or N1819U on that uneventful trip.



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User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6390 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 9):
The date of this post is ironic to me - today, August 2, 2007, is the twenty year anniversary of my first 747 flight, TWA flight #840 LAX-JFK.

Congrats on your anniversary!  Smile I am glad it coincided with this date for you - for me I just happened to think of this topic todya hehe  Wink


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6275 times:

Well, if you want to fly a 747 from the west coast to the east coast just hop on up to Vancouver and catch Cathay's CX888. It flies the route to JFK daily.

User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

AA usu to fly DC-10 from YUL-ORD-LAX-HNL

User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

What was the last LAX/SFO-JFK 747? Tower Air? Did anyone ever operate a 744 on those routes, other than an international tag-on flight?

User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

who said non revving isn't allowed on these flights? i've non revved on qf several times to and from lax. even got upgraded to business

User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 14):
who said non revving isn't allowed on these flights? i've non revved on qf several times to and from lax. even got upgraded to business

One is not allowed to fly from just JFK-LAX or LAX-JFK on QF flights. Any domestic carrier is okay.


User currently offlineBrucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks ago) and read 5431 times:

Does QF have route authority to fly other routes within the US (for international pax only)? Such as, LAX-DFW, if they chose to do so, in addition to the existing LAX-JFK?

User currently offlineShane From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

How about a nice little 744 ride from SFO--YVR on QF? That's an international flight so you can actually buy that ticket, as far as I know...

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

It's too much capacity within the US. You can't get fares up with that kind of capacity in the market.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5153 times:

Quoting Brucek (Reply 16):
Does QF have route authority to fly other routes within the US (for international pax only)? Such as, LAX-DFW, if they chose to do so, in addition to the existing LAX-JFK?

Yes.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 18):
It's too much capacity within the US. You can't get fares up with that kind of capacity in the market.

But the CASM would be significantly reduced, which means greater profit potential at lower fares. Further, given the number of flights in the market, capacity is already there.

Quoting Shane (Reply 17):
How about a nice little 744 ride from SFO--YVR on QF? That's an international flight so you can actually buy that ticket, as far as I know...

Yes you can, though I am surprised AC hasn't started raising a stink because of the issues with their introduction of LAX-SYD service.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
But the CASM would be significantly reduced, which means greater profit potential at lower fares. Further, given the number of flights in the market, capacity is already there.

but the RASM falls faster than the CASM. If there was a limitless decrease in CASM without a loss of RASM, you'd see big airplanes on every route.

Just look at how both DL and B6 are doing at JFK since both have pulled back from their mutually destructive capacity growth.


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 3):
United Airlines 747
SFO-EWR, SFO-JFK, LAX-JFK, SFO-IAD, LAX-IAD, DEN-IAD, SFO-MIA, LAX-MIA,

I understand UA had a 747 BOS-SFO flight at one time?

M


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25125 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4802 times:

Quoting Shane (Reply 17):
How about a nice little 744 ride from SFO--YVR on QF? That's an international flight so you can actually buy that ticket, as far as I know...

Yes QF has had local traffic rights SFO-YVR since they started service to YVR in the 1950s, although in recent years it's only been a seasonal service (June-August...the last flight is August 12) and then for about 6 weeks during the Christmas period (December 16-January 27), 3 times a week. In the 1980s they also operated YVR-HNL with a 747 about twice a week.

Canadian carriers have also had 5th freedom local traffic rights HNL-SYD (and NAN-SYD) since 1949.

CI also operates a 747-400 JFK-ANC-TPE 4 times a week, but as with all foreign carriers they can't carry local traffic on the domestic sector JFK-ANC. ANC is mainly a fuel stop although they do sell ANC-TPE,. If not mistaken that's the only current transpacific passenger service from ANC now.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

DL had 741s on ATL-LAX in the 70s
what where the other 747 routes for DL?



yep.
User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4633 times:
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Has UA stoped flying SFO-ORD with the 744 or was those flights just to move the 744s between the airports??

Stein



2-3-2 is NOT a premium configuration
25 Afay1 : I fondly remember flying on a UA 747-238 (ex-Qantas) from ORD-SFO back in '98. It had the old style seats, the cheesy wall colorings, but was comfy an
26 AADC10 : Every once in a while UA will operate an overnight SFO/LAX-ORD flight with a 744, usually during the summer peak season. As you suspect this is part
27 Superfly : You are correct. Last year, I was lucky enough to get four domestic United 747 flights between ORD-SFO and ORD-LAX. In summer 2005, I was able to cat
28 N62NA : I think you mean JFK. NW never flew the 747 into EWR on regularly scheduled service.
29 Post contains images Qantas744ER : I think you forgot: QF MEL-SYD-SFO-YVR vancouver isnt the US but its only over an hour away from SFO leo
30 Post contains links and images Superfly : ...ah the good old days.
31 Post contains links N702ML : Here is an advertisement for the JFK-LAS/PHX 747 service! http://www.departedflights.com/HPbignewreason.html
32 Drerx7 : You can nonrev on those QF flights. How about frequent flyer redemption? Since I guess that is non revenue as well...
33 PresRDC : I'm scheduled to fly the QF flight from YVR to SFO this Sunday, as well as the CX JFK-YVR flight on Friday. In F both flights as part of an AONE6 tic
34 BoeingBoy : Asiana flys JFK-Anchorage-Seoul daily on a 747
35 Viscount724 : No, unless QF is an exception which I strongly doubt, frequent flyer redemption tickets can only be issued where carriers have scheduled traffic righ
36 N702ML : I do not know if this is specific to the Southwest non-rev travel agreement with Qantas or not, but Southwest's agreement with Qantas states the follo
37 Rbgso : I remember back in the early 70s AA, UA, and TW all had 747s departing JFK at noon and arriving LAX around 2:45. PA might have had one as well. The go
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