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Is Delta To Fly To Australia?  
User currently offlineDownunderflyer From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 15 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21756 times:

I was talking to someone yesterday who was saying he's just been employed by Delta australian office to prepare for Delta's arrival into Brisbane - August/September 2008 .

Can anyone from Delta confirm this ??

the discussion included Delta codesharing with the new virgin airline - V Australia

Delta metal to Brisbane and V Australia codeshare
and
V australia metal to Sydney and Delta codeshare

thanks

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User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21599 times:

Surprised nobody has commented on this. I am also surpirsed that if true, DL would not have told your friend to keep quiet about it.

User currently offlineBPS3458 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21558 times:

Is it possible that DL simply intends to open a sales/ticket office here in Brisbane ? When I booked my domestic DL flights FLL-JFK-FLL last year in December I booked through a DL ticket agent in Sydney. If DL would actually start flying in to BNE I would expect a whole lot more publicity !!! Just my 2 cents !!!

Cheers,

Peter


User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21537 times:

First, why would Delta go to Brisbane first and not Sydney or Melbourne?

Second, how reliable is this source? I'm sure Delta told everyone to be hush hush on anything like this.

Third, will Delta have enough 777LR's by this time to operate the route? Assuming that that would be the aircraft that they would use (-ER is possible I guess from West Coast to Brisbane ops).

I'd be really surprised if this actually materialized...but then again nothing is out of the question entirely.



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User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21510 times:

Wow - if true BNE is getting some new airlines knocking on the door EY and now possibly DL?

Are we about to see the Australia to US route open right up?



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21447 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 3):
First, why would Delta go to Brisbane first and not Sydney or Melbourne?

..over-capacity possibly??

Quoting BPS3458 (Reply 2):
Is it possible that DL simply intends to open a sales/ticket office here in Brisbane ?

.... checkmark ... a sales ticket office doesn't mean a carrier will be starting services there...

for example..in KHI, there are sales ticket offices for UA, VS, and even AZ... spin ....yet none serve Pakistan, let alone KHI...









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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12517 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21447 times:

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 4):
Are we about to see the Australia to US route open right up?

Isn't there an Open Skies agreement between the US and Australia, in which case there shouldn't be any limitations (if there isn't, have there been moves/negotiations in that direction?)

I know Australia has been mentioned in DL's plans, when it gets its 777-200LRs, but BNE (with all due respect to it) does surprise me as a first Australian destination; I thought they might have gone to SYD and/or MEL?


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21393 times:

Thanks for the interesting information, but alas, I'll believe it when I see it  Smile

Brisbane (Internationally) supplies a solid amount of premium traffic, but no where near as much as Sydney - and that's where DL should probably be flying.

Qantas currently has a monopoly on nonstop services from Brisbane to the United States, so another carrier would be welcome.

I think it would be better for Delta to fly to SYD (with V Australia codeshare) and V Australia to fly to Brisbane. DJ offers its best domestic connections out of BNE, so a linkup here would be good.

Yes I'm from Brisbane, but I think DL would be better suited at SYD.

But then again, who's to know, a DL service to BNE could prove to be successful sometime in the future.

I'm think Peter/BPS3458 is correct and that they may be simply setting up a ticketing office here in anticipation of SYD services.

Nevertheless, thanks anyway for an interesting topic to discuss!

Rgds

( PS - perhaps we could change the thread title - it leads the reader to believe that DL are starting services to Australia [nothing has been confirmed yet] ).


User currently offlineScorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 21350 times:

It would be interesting to see V Australia code share with Denver when DJ have a limited relationship with UA.

I still don't think that service to Australia will be as lucrative for DL as many here seem to think.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 21281 times:

I just about crapped my pants when I read this thread title.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 20919 times:

I've been hearing this rumor for some time. When I worked for OH last summer they were talking like it was imminent, and now I'm back for my second summer (while not in school) and it is still being discussed. I know they are going to do it, the question is when. Hopefully it'll be sooner rather than later!

User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 20892 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
Quoting SQ452 (Reply 3):
First, why would Delta go to Brisbane first and not Sydney or Melbourne?

..over-capacity possibly??

One good reason, and another that goes along with this is lack of competition on the non-stop routes across the pacific. QF are the only airline that does the trip across the pacific non-stop at the moment, with V Australia due to come on board either late next year or 2009 (fingers crossed). QF, NZ, SQ, CX, BR, JL, MH, TG and CI will get you there with 1 stop, but its not like going non-stop though. And EK and soon to be EY will also get you there with 1 stop, but will take you over double the time of the QF non-stop through to LAX.

It would be great to see another airline serving BNE from the US, particularly to give QF some competition on the route. Will be interesting to see the route operated by 3 airlines eventually, even it is to LAX, but admittedly it does offer good connections to almost anywhere in the States. Correct me if I'm wrong with the connection information.

Would love to see DL connecting to BNE. I would image the route would be LAX-BNE or even ATL-LAX-BNE.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20493 times:

I dont believe for one minute that if DL are going to fly to Australia, that they are going to fly yo BNE first as opposed to MEL or SYD. Does not make any sense at all IMHO.
As mentioned above, having a ticket office in a city is one thing, serving that city or even that country is another matter altogether!


User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20299 times:

With the way we have been expanding, I think it is safe to say that ANYTHING is possible, but I would hesitate to put this into the "sure thing" category. We would all love to see it happen though........ Profitability will be the deciding factor.

Assuming it might be true, it poses some questions on one issue that effects the proftabilty of the route. We know that cargo generates revenue, but so does a nice fat properly designed First Class cabin. Our current BizElite product just is not beefy enough for a 14-15 hour flight. A flight to Australia would have to offer and at least meet the standards set by carriers already serving Austalian cities. BizElite to Europe for 8 hours is workable but not on a 14-15 hour flight. There are PAX out there that pay for a true First Class cabin and we would be ignorant to not take advantage of that small, but willing group who pay big bucks for a true sleeper seat and an extraordinary first class experience.

I'm not sure that DL is ready to design and implement a whole new class of service for one city pair. BUT, you never know..........

I'm sure someone will mention that we offer BizElite to South Africa, but that flight does not have the level of demand or competition that exists for USA-Australia flights .


User currently offlineAA7295 From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20222 times:

Delta would be making a smart move by flying into Brisbane. People do not give Brisbane enough credit when it comes to analysing it as a credible destination. BNE Airport is the portal to Brisbane City and surrounding Councils, Sunshine Coast, Gold Coast, Tweed Heads & alot of Northern NSW, Ipswich, Toowoomba, Kingaroy and other areas of South East Queensland, that add up to around 3 million residents. And with South East Queensland being the fastest growing region in Australia, that will overtake Melbourne's population in 2015, Delta is making the right choice.

Its true, MEL & SYD have two carriers (QF, UA) that offer direct flight to West Coast USA, and sometime there is over capacity. From what I here from my friend who works at Flight Centre, QF175/176 is almost always full. This would also be why Qantas has chosen to make the flight daily from March 08 IIRC

Also, from the people I've spoken to, Brisbane residents dislike flying to SYD and MEL to go overseas, which is why SQ, EK, CX do so well in BNE.

Regards,
AA7295


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 19580 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):

Isn't there an Open Skies agreement between the US and Australia, in which case there shouldn't be any limitations (if there isn't, have there been moves/negotiations in that direction?)

Not quite open-skies but a 'liberal' bilateral. I believe new operators are limited to 4x weekly flights - although the two governments may agree to waive this rule for DJ & DL (if the rumours are true)

I understand that one of the main reasons why Australia won't agree to a full open skies is due to other issues - in particular a prohibition on the importation of Australian built ferryboats to operate services within the US. It seems OZ wanted to sell ferrys to Washington State - but under US legislation this is prohibited.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19064 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 11):
One good reason, and another that goes along with this is lack of competition on the non-stop routes across the pacific. QF are the only airline that does the trip across the pacific non-stop at the moment, with V Australia due to come on board either late next year or 2009 (fingers crossed). QF, NZ, SQ, CX, BR, JL, MH, TG and CI will get you there with 1 stop, but its not like going non-stop though. And EK and soon to be EY will also get you there with 1 stop, but will take you over double the time of the QF non-stop through to LAX.



Quoting AA7295 (Reply 14):
Delta would be making a smart move by flying into Brisbane. People do not give Brisbane enough credit when it comes to analysing it as a credible destination. BNE Airport is the portal to Brisbane City and surrounding Councils, Sunshine Coast, Gold Coast, Tweed Heads & alot of Northern NSW, Ipswich, Toowoomba, Kingaroy and other areas of South East Queensland, that add up to around 3 million residents. And with South East Queensland being the fastest growing region in Australia, that will overtake Melbourne's population in 2015, Delta is making the right choice.



Quoting ANother (Reply 15):

Not quite open-skies but a 'liberal' bilateral. I believe new operators are limited to 4x weekly flights - although the two governments may agree to waive this rule for DJ & DL (if the rumours are true)

....interesting...I was thinking may DL could start BNE 4-5x/weekly then bump it up to daily...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17033 times:

Airlines have marketing representation in numerous countries they do not serve. One of the largest companies providing this service is Discover the World Marketing.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16796 times:

DL has hinted in the recent past that they want to fly to Australia, so who knows. I also think BNE is a strange choice. Why not MEL? I think this needs to be taken with a grain of salt. In any case, let's be on the look out for more reliable info.

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 14):
sometime there is over capacity.

Hi AA7295, what time of the year is it when loads are light? I visited Australia early April of this year and the LAX-SYD and MEL-LAX flights I took were 100% or almost 100% full!!! From what I have heard, this is quite common.

Quoting Downunderflyer (Thread starter):
the new virgin airline - V Australia

Sorry for the ignorance, but what is V Australia? An offspring of Virgin Blue? Is it the rumored ultra-low-cost carrier that DJ was considering launching?



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User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16767 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 1):
DL would not have told your friend to keep quiet about it.

No joke. Most likely they would do this route from LAX so they can use a 777-200ER on it. They are at war with UA at LAX. Notice the return of LAX-HKG. I seriously doubt that would have happened if it wasn't obvious DL was planning on beefing up LAX. Now we can only hope that UA doesn't start up the route.



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16736 times:

Isn't there an agreement between US/Aus, that only allows one carrier from each country to serve U.S.-Aus? I don't know how DL would get around that...


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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7686 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16685 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 18):
Hi AA7295, what time of the year is it when loads are light? I visited Australia early April of this year and the LAX-SYD and MEL-LAX flights I took were 100% or almost 100% full!!! From what I have heard, this is quite common.

It certainly is! I have flown to Australia on every flight that goes down there. LAX-BNE/SYD/MEL on QF and LAX-SYD on UA. I have never once seen an empty seat!

Im not sure how DL is going to do on this one. The thing is that LAX is bombarded with competition, but the market is so large that DL could probably get by. ATL would be out of the question.



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User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16186 times:

I recall a comment earlier this year from one of the DL experts in A.net (WorldTraveler?!? maybe) that BNE would be the first market to enter in Australia because of the rapid growth in the region and the reduced amount of competition nonstop on the LAX-BNE route.... I still think it is a great idea for entering this market. Loyal Skyteamers would love a direct option to Australia from the US and I believe it could be successful with their support. After that, I am sure SYD and MEL will follow.

User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16048 times:

Well I guess Delta knows what they are doing. They released this press release today:

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10799

From Delta.com:
Delta Air Lines Reports Highest Single Month Load Factor on Record
Airline’s international expansion results in record international boardings

ATLANTA, Aug. 3, 2007 – Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) today reported all-time record load factors in July 2007, including consolidated system load factor of 86.8 percent, mainline system load factor of 87.6 percent, mainline domestic load factor of 89.4 percent, and total Latin system load factor of 84.5 percent.


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15867 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 20):
Isn't there an agreement between US/Aus, that only allows one carrier from each country to serve U.S.-Aus? I don't know how DL would get around that...

No, there is no limit on the number of airlines each country can designate, and at the moment there are two, and possibly three US airlines designated. HA from HNL and CO (I think) from GUM. But, as I mentioned above there is a frequency limitation for new entrants. Why and what, I don't know - but I've seen this referred to here before.


25 SLCUT2777 : The topic of DL starting U.S./Australia service comes up in these threads often. I think it is likely to be eventual, when and where are the topics fo
26 CitrusCritter : HA just doesn't get it that they have a huge Asian opening to revitalize the airline. Every route does not need HNL involved...they could jump on LAX
27 Kaitak744 : 8 777-200ERs 6 777-200LRs. 777-200LR routes --daily JFK-BOM --daily ATL-JNB --5x weekly(?) ATL-PVG/PEK 777-200ER routes --5x weekly ATL-DXB --daily A
28 Post contains images Omoo : Please DL, setup service btn ATL-PER so i can visit some friends .....
29 Dutchjet : While we may eventually see DL launch a route to Australia as part of their world wide expansion and as part of their plans to turn LAX into a Pacific
30 Srbmod : Considering that there is currently no Skyteam service directly from the US mainland to Australia, it's a major hole in the route map to fill (The cur
31 AirClapton : Great news for skyteam! Now I can fy direct US-Aussie on my round the world trip with skyteam
32 FLYGUY767 : They dont have a legitimate aircraft type or a international standard business class product to be viable.. -JD
33 Onewickedboi : Interesting information. I for one had never heard of V Australia before yesterday, when I noticed their order for 6 B777s, which is reflected on the
34 EXAAUADL : No kidding..also with Virgin Blue about to enter the US market plus QF introducing the A380, ther is going to be little in the way of crumbs left for
35 EXAAUADL : So as part of this rumor a thrid OZ airline is in the works called V Australia. Given the hisory of the OZ aviation market, it is clear there is room
36 EXAAUADL : The financial centre is SYD, the manufacturing centre is MEL
37 Kaitak744 : I think "V Australia" stands for Virgin Australia. Just a re-brand of Virgin Blue, in order to do the long haul routes.
38 Post contains links Onewickedboi : I very much see your logic here, however if this were the case, I would not expect that Boeing would show an order for 6 new 777s on their Order and
39 EXAAUADL : Will they fly domestically in Australia? Isnt DJ teamed with UA and isnt DJ either joining STAR or going to? I can see V Australia codesharing with D
40 CitrusCritter : Of course. They would need some 777 a/c and design such a product, but that's not out of reach if they would show some aggressive growth. They seem t
41 Dutchjet : Check your facts and find out where most of Australia's banks are headquartered, then get back to us, OK?
42 Zone1 : The China routes can be done with the ER. Yes they codeshare with UA, but that doesn't mean they will be joining *A. They could become a codeshare wh
43 IADCA : UA flies to SYD from the US mainland (sorry, don't remember if it's LAX or SFO). CO's service is GUM-CNS, but it's Air Mike, so it's a bit different
44 Burnsie28 : Even Northwest has a office in Australia. It's from both Los Angeles and San Francisco.
45 EXAAUADL : Where is the All Ordinaries and ASX HDQ? Two of the largest banks in the US are in SFO, is that the financial HDQ for the US? I lived in OZ. SYD is r
46 AA7295 : As I keep saying, BNE is not just for Brisbane City, its for South-East Queensland. IIRC 65% of arrivals at BNE (International) get straight in a car
47 Kaitak744 : From Boeing's website: Virgin Blue Airlines: 0 777s V(irgin) Australia: 6 777s So, it is effectively nothing but a name change. Thankfully we won't b
48 Teamspeedy : 'it's both
49 Teamspeedy : correct , they created a new arm of the company for international flights and transfered the orders over to it[Edited 2007-08-04 01:41:44]
50 FlyboyOz : DL has an interline agreement with Qantas. It means that DL can access QF reservation website and reserve the seats in the QF aircraft for the pax to
51 Post contains images Gemuser : OK Guys (& Guyetts, if any) A lot of good points have been raised in this thread, BUT ALL of them have been discussed many, many times in previous thr
52 WunalaYann : And then onwards to MEL.
53 United787 : The original post said nothing about where DL was flying to in the US. Maybe they are planning on flying to JFK with their new 777-200LR aircraft! I w
54 Post contains images Wingletsman : yes.... my uncle is an international pilot for DL, and flies the 763er. he says.... soon! !
55 Gemuser : I doubt it! I really doubt NYC-SYD non stop would be viable, there just is not sufficient traffic. If DL open service to Oz it will be from LAX. Gemu
56 Evan767 : Call him back up and ask him where he heard this from... We'll be waiting for replies.
57 AA7295 : Isn't MEL International Terminal very slot restricted currently? I heard this was the primary reason for SYD & BNE to be their focus destinations, BN
58 Teamspeedy : you forgot the jetstar flights to HNL which is currently 4
59 Gemuser : I did! Thanks. Don't think it changes things much, although it does add an operator. Gemuser
60 ZK-NBT : Interesting comments. One thing I will say is that the growth in the Queensland region is pretty strong. I'm not sure if it is strong enough or if the
61 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Maybe we'll be getting 4-way Australia-USA(mainland)-Australia with B773ER, B772LR, B744 and A380's..will be interesting to watch what happens....
62 WorldTraveler : DL will be in Australia eventually but it's a longer shot given the restrictions on new entrants.
63 FLYGUY767 : Alitalia flew to Karachi in the past, notice the 1980's style storefront.. -JD
64 Gemuser : What restrictions on new entrants from the USA??? If you are refering to frequency see reply 51, should not be a problem for US operators. Gemuser
65 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..true, but AZ hasn't served Pakistan in eons (the point of my comment)...it served Pakistan so long ago, I'm not even sure if its in the history boo
66 DeltaL1011man : hmmm....just like China? look for a ATL-SYD/MEL then LAX-SYD/MEL LAX isnt goin to get much more than Latin America flights right now just because DL
67 LAXdude1023 : I wouldnt look for either anytime soon. China is different. DL can justify China flights ATL because of the connections ATL can provide Latin America
68 Gemuser : Hope not! 'Cause it won't last. They will NOT get the ROI needed, unless they do something very, very unexpected & out of the box (which ATL-SYD/MEL,
69 Jetfuel : There is a significant under servicing of the BNE-LAX market. DJ has major feed into BNE from the whole of Australia. Any DL/DJ plans would most like
70 AA7295 : This is what I've been trying to say.... nobody wants to fly to Sydney to go anywhere, unless they have to. With regards to premium traffic, there is
71 BNEFlyer : I completely agree with Jetfuel and AA7295. I have never flown out of or into SYD or MEL when travelling overseas and never will. BNE is a fantastic a
72 Gemuser : Evidence? Gemuser
73 AA7295 : Evidence? QF175/176 are the only flights that go direct to LAX from BNE, and if you ever get to fly it, they are consistently full. IATA traffic data
74 Gemuser : The only one of these I dispute is a). QF have already announced daily from ??, but long before DL could commence service. V Oz will I presume commen
75 DeltaL1011man : told you guys it would happen.........it would work right so they can get the aircraft where again?(i don't think a 763ER will go LAX-SYD)
76 AA7295 : If you listen to the the news or read a newspaper, you would know that it is a fact that SEQ is the fast growing region in Australia. If logic is app
77 Gemuser : Thats the point, it is not necessarily profitable. It probable is, but we don't know. We don't know what the yields are like, only gross numbers. Eve
78 AA7295 : Hence, why another carrier would be welcome at BNE to fly to LAX. I would ideally love to see UA here but I guess DL will suffice, and I've read that
79 Jetfuel : Gemuser, Condidering that all QF services are class/yield limited I would imagine thet the BNE-LAX services are all very profitable. Just try booking
80 LAXdude1023 : So...DL will start ATL-Australia because...You say so? If DL has the brains God gave a monkey, they wont. I recognize the power of the ATL hub, but t
81 AA7295 : The majority of campers are saying that DL will start BNE-LAX, not ATL for the reasons yout mentioned. Regards, AA7295
82 Beeski : LAXdude1023, your ATL bashing continues....what part of "It is the largest hub for a single airline in the World" don't you get? JFK or ATL to SYD and
83 Jetfuel : Its funny. The same way people all think the world has to go through LAX they seem to think it has to go via SYD. Part of the problem is people not l
84 LAXdude1023 : I get it, but im think logically. Not out of some absurd passion for DL or ATL (like alot of people on here). What part of "no O&D and minimal viable
85 Post contains images UAL777UK :
86 Beeski : Its not an absurd passion for DL or ATL.....its the logic of non-stop flights from the largest hub in the world, and from the largest financial center
87 Jacobin777 : ..there's currently SFO also...as well as DFW and ORD as a possibility once QF get their B787's....
88 LAXdude1023 : I understand it well, tell me from all of the points combined, how many passengers a day are going to Australia? Alot of people (and im not saying yo
89 Jetfuel : DL have no a/c capable of flying ATL-BNE/SYD - so the discussion is pointless. Its going to be a code share anyway, so put your $$ on somewhere like
90 Gemuser : I agree with LAXdude1023. East Coast-Oz is a very, very ifffy prospect. I don't think JFK can support non stop daily service to Oz. Later this month
91 AA7295 : Exactly! Unless they use their 77L which I don't think they will. They will probably use those aircraft on India, China and South Africa routes. Prob
92 Gemuser : Now that's intresting! Could that be, at least part, of the push for QF to DFW which seems to be heating up a bit recently? Gemuser
93 AA7295 : It probably is, considering DL is looking at increasing its presence at LAX. Which means more connections once they start their LAX-Australia route.
94 Jetfuel : LAX makes more sense
95 DeltaL1011man : its called the 777-200LR
96 LAXdude1023 : So instead of useing a very valueble plane like the 777LR on a very valueble route like ATL-JNB nonstop or JFK-BOM or perhaps expanding ATL-Asia, DL
97 SESGDL : DL is not going to serve Australia for the next 2-3 years, likely more. DL's next international endeavor will be more JFK/ATL-Europe/Latin America/Mid
98 DeltaL1011man : Bleed money?(How do you know this?) and if it would make money(like ATL-SYD would) then i say go for it!
99 Gemuser : There I just have to disagree with you. The O&D AND connection market in ATL, IMHO is just too small to support a daily, non stop service. Even if it
100 Fewsolarge : The entire Eastern half of the U.S. is hardly minimal. Delta could offer reasonably timed one-stops over ATL to many, many more markets than any carr
101 Gemuser : In terms of generating traffic for Oz, yes it is insufficient. The economic & cultural ties are mainly to the west coast and then NYC. NYC is just ab
102 DeltaL1011man : i will agree and disagrees i think the O&D is to small but connection i think there is a good bit of.......i dont think LAX is the place for DL. They
103 AA7295 : Yes they are, UA840 leaves for LAX everyday via SYD. For once I actually agree with you. Due to lack of O&D at ATL, it would not be a very viable rou
104 UAL777UK : He did (Gemuser) actually say Non Stop. Let me tell you that UA, gets impressive loads on the legs it does to SYD-MEL-SYD, I have seen it first hand
105 Post contains images Gemuser : "via SYD" is "NON STOP"? WOW Gemuser
106 AA7295 : Sorry, I completely skimmed over that "non-stop part". AA7295
107 LAXdude1023 : That makes two of us. I dont either. Im having a hard time seeing how DL is going to succeed here honestly. Alot of the new routes they have put in h
108 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...also something which hasn't been discussed here is that for DL to fly ATL/JFK-SYD/MEL the -200LR would have to be fitted with extra tanks (there a
109 Jetfuel : Remember this is rumored to be a code share and my bet is on DL serving LAX-BNE
110 Post contains images FLYGUY767 : 100% Agreed Yes I am sure those above cities will fill the "White Elephant" of a route from ATL-SYD nonstop.. Reality and profit margin would say som
111 Jacobin777 : ..distinct possibility.... ..who would that be with?
112 AA7295 : If DL want to makle some profit then its a high possibility. V-Australia Airlines, the transpacific arm of Virgin Blue Australia airlines. They are p
113 Jacobin777 : ....didn't know they had codeshare with Virgin Blue Australia...
114 Fewsolarge : I respect your opinion, but I'm going to continue to bet that the sum of the entire Eastern U.S. actually is sufficient to fill planes. It's — what
115 Gemuser : 200 million live east of ATL? Somehow I doubt that, but even if it's so, most of that is in the north east, where LAX, SFO & even YVR are quite compe
116 LAXdude1023 : 200 million people live on the east coast? No.
117 DeltaL1011man : why lease 787s when there going to order 125 of them? 45 of them will be used for growth
118 Beeski : I think you Aussies need to read up on US population distribution....the majority of the people and $$ are in the Eastern half of the country. And of
119 AA7295 : They currently don't. But they could, as V-Australia is going to commence Australia to US services by the end of 2008. It is unsure whether V-Austral
120 Jacobin777 : ..ok, that's what I thought....it will be interesting to see how all of this pans out (regarding a possible codeshare or not), especially given that
121 Post contains links DeltaL1011man : said it a the air show (Paris) and DL is a boeing favorite and will have a few good slot for them link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19305434/
122 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : Definately not. Take QF 108/107. Loads are poor cargo is good. The flight is profitable on account of cargo not loads. Carrying cargo wont even be mu
123 Gemuser : But are they EAST of ATL? Some how I doubt that. If they are not they won't want to backtrack on a flight thats already running close to 24 hours doo
124 Beeski : By the same logic that notes the successful non-stop New York to Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore routes. Routes that were not possible until the 744 m
125 AA7295 : What! Are you kidding?! Routes such as SIN-JFK are 18hrs because they have to be, they have no realistic place to stop off, unless they want to make
126 Gemuser : Are you kidding? Tokyo has about 7 times the population of Sydney, one & half time the total population of the whole continent of Australia, HKG is a
127 Jetfuel : mmmmmm Maybe, maybe not. But what you are forgetting is that the market to Australia is only so big. Australia's entire population is only 20 million
128 LAXdude1023 : Exactly. Exactly right. LAX has all of those flights not only because it has the largest O&D to Australia in the US, but also because it makes sense
129 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?PATH=jfk-syd&PATH-COLOR=red
130 Viscount724 : The 744 did not make those routes possible. The 747SP made New York-Tokyo nonstop possible in 1976 when Pan Am put it into service on that route. Lat
131 LAXdude1023 : I would think that it doesnt because I think CX would use it from JFK-HKG if it did. Instead they use the 346 and a 744 from JFK-YVR-HKG.
132 Panamair : I thought that UA did, for a short while, run JFK-HKG nonstop with the 744, though I believe there were payload restrictions.
133 AA7295 : Seriously, as Gemuser, myself, and others have mentioned, it is going to be from LAX. Yes there might be more competition on the route from there, but
134 Jacobin777 : Given that UA fly ORD-HKG daily and given the routes are quite similar and JFK-HKG is only about 200-250nm miles more than ORD-HKG, there is a possib
135 777STL : Wasn't there a time when UA's ORD-HKG was actually towed out to the runway to conserve fuel?
136 AA7295 : That is hilarious. I would pay to see that. I'm sorry, I don't know if that was intended to be funny. But it's a friday night and it made my day. Reg
137 Bobnwa : Yes that is true. It saved hundreds of pounds of fuel. Virgin Atlantic recently announced they will begin the practice at select airports.
138 AirCanada014 : " target=_blank>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19305434/ I just read the Aviation Week magazine at work and according to the news letter about B787s, the
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