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Spirit-Aires Alliance For Colombian Routes  
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2520 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

That Aires application for BOG-FLL, and from other Colombian cities to FLL had Spirit fingerprints on it!
It seemed odd that an operator that has no jets, would apply only for routes to FLL. It did have the decoy that it might be operated with a B737 or MD83 series or Airbus A319, leaving some room for doubt.

Aires has been given 7 weekly frequencies on the BOG-FLL route, with others pending expansion of the bilateral agreement.

Well, it has now come out that Spirit's director of communication, Juan Arbelaez, is an old mate of Aires CEO and they have been working together for 3 months on the Colombian routes project, presumably when AA put a spanner in the works by retaking some dormant frequencies that NK had hoped to get. So the Aires application was designed to be operated by Spirit all along.

Aires has 6 months to get the route started, and the operation by a third party still has to get approved, but the old mates appear confident..

This is the article (in Spanish), which has a few factual errors (such as saying that DOT had approved Spirit's application in the first place and that it was Aerocivil that did not), but I am sure the essence of this new alliance comes through alright.

http://www.elcolombiano.com.co/Banco...olombia_con_aires.asp?CodSeccion=4

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Will this sort of deal get approved. While I appreciate different countries were involved, bmi and QR tried a very similar deal a couple of years ago and it got rejected


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User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Its not going to be that easy.

Aires dont have the FAA certification to fly into the US. It will cost a lot of money, training crews, and getting the proper documentation, remember Aero republica, with rights to fly to the US, never made it. Aires is a much smaller airline.


Also AA havent been able to resolve their Labor problems in BAQ, they are offering ridiculous amount of money to their ex employees. If they dont resolve this issue on the next months, they wont be able to re start their flights to BAQ, and the routs could be granted to Spirit.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2520 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Quoting A300AA (Reply 2):
Aires dont have the FAA certification to fly into the US. It will cost a lot of money, training crews, and getting the proper documentation, remember Aero republica, with rights to fly to the US, never made it. Aires is a much smaller airline.

But if the flights are operated by Spirit, then why should Aires need to be certified?. I am not too clear about the legal aspects of a permanent operation by a third party, though.

What is clear is that we will see Spirit operating in Cololombia sooner rather than later, under whichever format.They are pulling all the stops.

Quoting A300AA (Reply 2):
Also AA havent been able to resolve their Labor problems in BAQ, they are offering ridiculous amount of money to their ex employees. If they dont resolve this issue on the next months, they wont be able to re start their flights to BAQ, and the routs could be granted to Spirit.

We will have to watch this one then. I trust that AA and the ex-employees can come to an arrangement. If not, then AA should consider another route : JFK-BOG, for instance.


User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 3):
But if the flights are operated by Spirit, then why should Aires need to be certified?. I am not too clear about the legal aspects of a permanent operation by a third party, though.

My question exactly...



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32214 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2291 times:

Quoting A300AA (Reply 2):
they wont be able to re start their flights to BAQ, and the routs could be granted to Spirit.

No, they won't be granted to Spirit. AA will simply transfer the frequencies to another market (i.e. another seven weekly MIA-BOG frequencies) until they can solve those issues. AA is not required to use the frequencies on MIA-BAQ, they are just required to use them on any USA-Colombia route by 13 December 2007.



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