Airbus A380 From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 522 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7084 times:
SIA mulls business class-only service on non-stop flights to NY, LA
- All non-stop flights from Singapore to New York and Los Angeles on Singapore Airlines (SIA) could well become an all-business-class affair.
- According to SIA spokesman Stephen Forshaw, these non-stop flights are targeted at business people and have always had high business class loadings. But the load for Executive Economy isn't always as strong during midweek.
- SIA is currently looking at its options for the flights, and no decision has been made. But there's talk that the change could happen as early as next year.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12337 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6998 times:
Isn't the 'Exceutive Economy' class seats and service on those SQ flights a lot like 'Business Class' seats and service on most other airlines? But I guess that the demand for the true business class seats on those flights may be exceeding supply and per seat a lot more profitable than the 'economy' seats, so why not consider an all biz configuration for them. We are seeing a lot more biz-premium only flights in other places in the world connecting major business centers. SQ is one of the most profitable airlines in the world and got there by catering to the business community, which Singapore is rather than tourist destination.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11956 posts, RR: 37 Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6990 times:
I noticed that report on the news section and it got me thinking: if SQ configures the 345 in an all- Class, would it be too much capacity for the route?
What I'm thinking is that, a few years down the road, SQ could go for a HGW/extended range version of the 787-8 (the same one QF is looking at for SYD-LHR) and that would allow it to retire the A345s; considerable saving there (i.e. one fleet type removed) and of course the 788ER would have commonality with the -9s on order.
Karan69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2787 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6936 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 2): What I'm thinking is that, a few years down the road, SQ could go for a HGW/extended range version of the 787-8 (the same one QF is looking at for SYD-LHR) and that would allow it to retire the A345s; considerable saving there (i.e. one fleet type removed) and of course the 788ER would have commonality with the -9s on order.
Or go with the 359R which will have commonality with the 359 XWBs on order
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7695 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6473 times:
I wouldn't be surprised that SQ reconfigures their A340-500's to an all-Raffles class configuration seating no more than 120-125 passengers for the SIN to EWR/LAX non-stop flights. And they'll stay with the A345, since it doesn't have the ETOPS restrictions that may make it difficult to fly the 777-200ER in all-Raffles configuration for a non-stop flight.
Andrew From Singapore, joined Dec 1999, 369 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6269 times:
My guess is that if they do change the config of the A345 to an all-J layout, it will be during the time that the first A333's arrive. The idea was for the A345 and A333 pilots to be cross-trained. That way the the A345's will not longer need to be dispatched to CGK to maintain pilot currency.
An all-J layout on the A345 to LAX and EWR would make sense, especially to EWR. From what I understand, J class to EWR is always full, even on weekdays. If there are any empty seats, they're usually in Executive Y.
As for the issue of ETOPS, the FAA is also going to implement ETOPS-like rules for 4 engine aircraft so we'll see how that pans out in the future.
SQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1053 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5881 times:
Ah hell no! I love taking these flight in Executive Economy. From what I remember, all times I have taken the route, Executive Economy is full. That would be a real shame if SQ decided to go all Business Class on the route.
You know I never understood why they didn't put First Class on these planes. Especially with the new First class product, they could probably do an all First Class/Business Class cabin for the flight.
That will be a real shame if it goes all business class. Those non-stop flights are such a time saver. and if they do go all business class on the flight I definitely think there will be overcapacity on it then. then it will be back to the days of 1-stop connections to the US
RafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 307 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5596 times:
Directional obviously....but I've taken the LAX-SIN route a few times and never seen Executive Economy more than half full (2 mid-week flights, the rest were weekends). Raffles has always gone out full.
I've also down the NRT stopover with the 744 and also seem relatively empty regular economy sections but Raffles full also.
At least in my Company, the only reason you take Exec Economy is if you can't get Raffles on the non-stops or 4 1-stop options to SIN from the States. SQ does charge a premium over the regular economy.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6884 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5563 times:
Quoting SQ452 (Reply 11): You know I never understood why they didn't put First Class on these planes.
From what I heard, the F product is too heavy for the aircraft to be able to fly those routes non-stop. However, if they are planning on removing Executive Economy I wonder if a 2 class config with First and Business would now be possible.
If like people say, F is always full and economy is mostly half-empty, it seem like a no brainer to at least increase the number of Business class seats especially if you consider that most of the people flying Business Economy would have happily paid for a Business class seat if one was available.
SQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1053 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5205 times:
Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 14): At least in my Company, the only reason you take Exec Economy is if you can't get Raffles on the non-stops or 4 1-stop options to SIN from the States. SQ does charge a premium over the regular economy.
Usually its around $200 SGD more than the one-stop options from Singapore on a return ticket which is totally worth it in my opinion.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15): I'm surprised no one has raised the question of what sort of business class seats SQ would install in their A340s if they reconfigure to all business class.
Good question. You would think that they would switch out the older spacebeds for the couches that they have for Raffles class seats on the 777-300ER Way more comfortable from what i hear.
Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 16): If SQ decides to remove the Y+ seats im pretty sure they'd go for a combination of the new J and F seats. There must be a market for F service on these ULR routes.
There definitely is, evidence of this is that they are deploying the 777-300ER aircraft on SFO, and LAX routes and the premium cabin has higher fares then the rest of the fleet. Part of the reason some of my family members never took the non-stop flights was because 'it didn't have first class' and they were authorized to take First on business. So therefore they went with the 1 stop options with the SkySuites (I know what your thinking, they are picky! and i wouldn't refute that cause they were when it came to this sort of thing, haha
Also consider this: the non-stop flights to the U.S. are NOT a money maker for SQ, its widely known on this forum that they lose quit a bit of money on the flight and they are not profitable.
Readytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3914 times:
SIA are a market leader in delivering customer service, having flown in both First and Business Class with them I feel that they understand their market place.
In London we are seeing the rise of the business only airlines like Eos & Silverjet to the USA, are SIA just looking at us and seeing a trend and a market opportunity?
you don't get a second chance to make a first impression!
SQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1053 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3829 times:
Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 21): If it isn't profitable, then why bother? Just wondering.
More of a status thing than anything and positioning in the market. Plus, they get to say they hold the record for "worlds longest scheduled non-stop flight". Many airlines operate, and continue to operate for many years, routes that are not profitable. It's one of those weird things in the airline industry
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20): I wouldn't say "quite a bit"..but yes, it isn't a profitable venture for the nonstop flights......
It's all how you define "quite a bit"
SIN > CVG > BOS
25 FlyDreamliner: And what would be the purpose there... besides having them buy an airbus? A359R is just as big as an A345 and what, like nearly a decade away from se
26 Dutchjet: Interesting thread. Not profitable, probably. Loose quite a bit of money, probably not. But, the important point is that SQ's experiment with ultra lo
27 SQ452: Indeed it will be. You have to consider the fact that the majority of people in Business Class are high powered executives/executives of major mnc's
28 Airbazar: That is a pile of bull and this forum is in no way a good source on what SQ routes are profitable or not. The fact is, SQ does not operate unprofitab
29 Dutchjet: SQ does not ""break out"" results for its ULH services so there is no way to know for sure; but consider the following: (1) SQ dropped its options on
30 Jacobin777: .......true... however I think Dutchjet explained it best...
31 BrianDromey: But by eliminating the Executive Y they could save enough weight to be able to offer 8F suites. Also bear in mind that in an A340 the new J is likely
32 Zvezda: SQ could operate 787-9s configured with 150 seats on the SIN-LAX/EWR routes. Doing so would bring in about 90% of the revenue of that the A340-500 bri
33 Airbazar: I still think they make more than enough on the routes, certainly a lot more than some people here want to believe. In your analysis you conveniently
34 Ikramerica: I can see them doing 9F/84J with the new product if they saw the demand, or 100J otherwise, if they use the new product (which I would assume they'd
35 Zvezda: No, the reason why SQ haven't replaced the A340-500s with 777-200LRs is because the resale value of the former is so poor.