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US-Visit Program, Still Exist?  
User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Hey guys I was wondering if this program was still in effect specially the leaving the US part. My dad did not know about this program like 2 years ago when he went out and was almost not let back in because he did not get his passport stamped when he left. He is leaving now again in a few weeks, and although the DHS website says they no longer have this program, I was wondering if you all knew anythin about this


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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Thread starter):
Hey guys I was wondering if this program was still in effect specially the leaving the US part. My dad did not know about this program like 2 years ago when he went out and was almost not let back in because he did not get his passport stamped when he left. He is leaving now again in a few weeks, and although the DHS website says they no longer have this program, I was wondering if you all knew anythin about this

Actually, according to the DHS website, it is still in effect. http://www.dhs.gov/xtrvlsec/programs/content_multi_image_0006.shtm


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

This program is still in effect for arriving International passengers. US citizens and certain other are exempt. As a matter of fact, this October, it will be going to a full 10 print system. It will be on a trial basis in 10 aiports in the US.

The US Visit system for departing passengers has been suspended. It was still a limited program when it was in affect. Not all International Airports had the departure kiosks. The US does not have a departure Immigration control like certain other countries. In other words, your passport is not stamped when departing the US.



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4133 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 2):
The US does not have a departure Immigration control like certain other countries. In other words, your passport is not stamped when departing the US.

I always wondered why this isn't so? Doing this would allow CBP to keep better track of who is coming in and out, and would eliminate the airlines of the responsibility of sorting through the all the I-94 cards. In fact, if they did this right they could use the passport scan on entry to replace the departure cards, which I think just add red tape to the whole process.

Additionally, by doing this, this would allow Airports to segregate the international gates, which means that arriving passengers could access an international connection without having to clear customs as most of the european countries have now. This woudl allow some airlines, noteably Delta and American, to carry European Traffic to Latin America, or even between Canada and Latin America a lot more easily, and it would eliminate the need for an I-94T card. Passengers would obviously still need to be checked against no fly lists, but I think something like this could bring an additonal source of revenue for US Airlines, which should be in a position to transit passengers to Latin American countries, but are snubbed by Air Canada, Mexicana, and other airlines because of the stupid way our airports are set up.


User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 643 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Important thing for your dad to remember: Make sure his I-94 or I-94W card is surrendered at check-in. They pass it on to BCIS or CBP (can't remember which). If the agent forgets, then give it to the gate agent before leaving. If you don't surrender it, you can also mail it into a consulate abroad. If you don't do any of this, then you'll have a really hard time coming back into the US... my parents are in the same situation.


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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1781 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Quoting Halophila (Reply 4):
Important thing for your dad to remember: Make sure his I-94 or I-94W card is surrendered at check-in. They pass it on to BCIS or CBP (can't remember which). If the agent forgets, then give it to the gate agent before leaving. If you don't surrender it, you can also mail it into a consulate abroad. If you don't do any of this, then you'll have a really hard time coming back into the US... my parents are in the same situation.

It's not to be sent to a US consulate anymore but to a private company based in London, Kentucky (not the small London town in UK Big grin ). You can find the information on the web site of any US embassy in the world.I had the problem in july when I flew back from IAD to CDG with UA. When I arrived in CDG and showed my passport to the immigration officer, I saw the green I94 form in my passport and just thought S...  hissyfit . That's how I realized I didn't have any passport check at IAD neither at check-in (because I used a machine) nor at boarding. Good job UA !

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 2):
The US Visit system for departing passengers has been suspended. It was still a limited program when it was in affect. Not all International Airports had the departure kiosks

and they never made any "advertisement" to passengers to use these kiosks. This system was totally unknown to most int'l pax


User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

That system is such a mess. It seems like you're damned no matter what you do. Sometimes they take it at checkin, other times at the gate. Sometimes neither. It makes little sense to surrender it at check-in if you're connecting elsewhere to get out of the country. All in all it seems like yet another US bureaucracy designed to make enemies of friends.

My sister-in-law can't get back into the states for training by her US employer due to a gate agent refusing to take her I-94 stub.


User currently offlineIlyag From Israel, joined Jan 2001, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

I don't know what all of this is about. I travel to US 4-5 times a year. Sometimes my I-94 card is pulled at check-in or at the gate, sometimes not. I had many times this card left with me - and never had a problem coming back to the US. The whole procedure as a total nonsense. Never knew about the US-Visit program - saw kiosks at the airports but never understood what they are for. At least I know now.

User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Quoting Ilyag (Reply 7):
Never knew about the US-Visit program - saw kiosks at the airports but never understood what they are for. At least I know now.

Same here exactly.

And the I-94W cards are a total mess. Once on a CO flight EWR-GYE they forgot to get it out of my passport, and CO staff came looking for me in the plane when everyone had already boarded. And they also presented it as if I had done something wrong.

On another occasion, a Canadian official on the land border at Buffalo, NY refused to get the thing out of my passport, saying I won't get admitted back to the States two days later for my flight if he did. When the time came, I was rerouted by UA at YYZ without a connection in the US, and the departure card was removed by an AC check-in agent at YYZ. How this all works is beyond me, but it sure is very complicated. I mean, Canadian border guards and airlines administering US immigration documents makes totally no sense.



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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

Same here. I was bumped in MSN (and got 400 USD in vouchers), re-routed and then in all this hassle I forgot to check if the guy beihnd the desk took my I94-W out. He did not. But the rules clearly state that it is the pax' responsibility to make sure the stub is taken out. Since I am flying to the US on Wednesday, I had to send my original boarding pass (leaving the US) and the stub to this contractor in Kentucky. I'll let you guys know, if there were any problems...


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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 6):
My sister-in-law can't get back into the states for training by her US employer due to a gate agent refusing to take her I-94 stub.

= I travel in and out of the U.S. almost every month (usually more than 2-3 times) and find this really hard to believe. Which airport was this? What was the reason for refusing to take the I-94 stub? Was a complaint filed?

-A.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7529 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 2):
The US Visit system for departing passengers has been suspended. It was still a limited program when it was in affect. Not all International Airports had the departure kiosks. The US does not have a departure Immigration control like certain other countries. In other words, your passport is not stamped when departing the US.

Yes, I recall they had these machines where you swiped your passport and/or your visa on your way out of the country. I bet most people never did it.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 6):
That system is such a mess.

It is a mess because INS was a fu**ing mess when it was part of DOJ, and when it became CIS over at DHS, it didn't get any better.

All the reorganization in the world and new names won't change the fact that the group of poorly led employees in INS are now the same group of poorly led employees in CIS, stuck in a department that is far more dysfunctional than where it used to be. Add a confusing morass of Immigration law and a Congress that provides little support for the thankless jobs these employees are saddled with, and you have the complete cluster f**k that is the US Citizenship and Immigration Service.


User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1656 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 10):
= I travel in and out of the U.S. almost every month (usually more than 2-3 times) and find this really hard to believe. Which airport was this? What was the reason for refusing to take the I-94 stub? Was a complaint filed?

-A.

ORD. I don't know why the gate agent refused to take the I-94. It was she who notified the US embassy here in Oslo that she still had the stub and apparently the whole thing grew from there.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1435 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 3):
I always wondered why this isn't so?

One problem is that the country is so big and also, many people might enter air and leave road or boat where there are no exit controls

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 6):
That system is such a mess. It seems like you're damned no matter what you do. Sometimes they take it at checkin, other times at the gate. Sometimes neither. It makes little sense to surrender it at check-in if you're connecting elsewhere to get out of the country. All in all it seems like yet another US bureaucracy designed to make enemies of friends.

Yeah, check in at flight is the logical place to collect, but so many airport workers don't know the system.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 12):
It is a mess because INS was a fu**ing mess when it was part of DOJ, and when it became CIS over at DHS, it didn't get any better.

Well, the same people are still working for the agency, no matte what name it goes under and which jurisdiction it's under!
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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Thread starter):
Hey guys I was wondering if this program was still in effect specially the leaving the US part. My dad did not know about this program like 2 years ago when he went out and was almost not let back in because he did not get his passport stamped when he left. He is leaving now again in a few weeks, and although the DHS website says they no longer have this program, I was wondering if you all knew anythin about this

I saw those machines in PHL, but ignored them.

Quoting Ilyag (Reply 7):
I don't know what all of this is about. I travel to US 4-5 times a year. Sometimes my I-94 card is pulled at check-in or at the gate, sometimes not. I had many times this card left with me - and never had a problem coming back to the US

Same here, and I have never had a problem and Immigration. I guess when the officers see the stamps they realize that you are obviously not overstaying your time, as stamp dates overlap. Big grin



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