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Future Midwest Air Destinations (w/ Out Merger)  
User currently offlineAirbusaddict From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 415 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

What are the possible Midwest Airlines/Connect Destinations to be added if they do not merge with FL. Especially with more CR2's yet to be delivered. I know they have been adding kind of long range routes on the CR2's to Charlotte, etc. But with more CR2's coming in. Im wondering if they might make a possible western expansion. Such as MKE-the Dakotas, Montana, Colorado, etc.

If they ever went west, even further than Duluth, and Omaha, (from MKE) what could be possible new routes. This is even including routes that they could start in 2008. My surprise is that they dont start service to Fargo, Sioux Falls, or Rapid City. They would do great on these routes with the CRJ-200's because then they could compete with United And Northwest. United uses CR2's to FAR, RAP and FSD. And CR7's to FSD also.

Its just always surprised me they havent actually expanded into the actual Mid Section of the Country.


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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Well with regard to the CRJs, they've already placed them twice daily on MKE-MSN. Guess YX never got the memo about bigger RJs on short routes like that. I dought we'll see MSN loads high enough to justify the CRJ.

User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 1):

My prayers that someday you find a job/employer that will work for you or that you can find peace some other way!

$YX2621 Y1 B1 H1 V1 Q1 K1 W1 M1 MSNMKE 220P 255P * CRJ 0E

With only one seat left to sell, my bets are that it is already overbooked!


User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4829 times:

PHL will see a 5th flight (3xCRJ and 2X 717) in October

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

Speaking of YX....when are the last two MCI destinations for the year going to be announced? I guess technically they could wait until late September for annoucing new routes starting in December so we may have to wait a few more weeks.

User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4799 times:

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 2):
My prayers that someday you find a job/employer that will work for you or that you can find peace some other way!

$YX2621 Y1 B1 H1 V1 Q1 K1 W1 M1 MSNMKE 220P 255P * CRJ 0E

With only one seat left to sell, my bets are that it is already overbooked

Today that flight still has 7 open seats.


User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

that

Quoting N917ME (Reply 5):
Today that flight still has 7 open seats.

I am sorry , that was for 12august...


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1401 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 4):
Speaking of YX....when are the last two MCI destinations for the year going to be announced? I guess technically they could wait until late September for annoucing new routes starting in December so we may have to wait a few more weeks.

Heh...I would've thought an announcement of an MCI-MSY routing with one of the CRJ's was a foregone conclusion, and I'm a little surprised we haven't seen it yet. On the other hand, XJet may have ruined that party.

-Mike



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Could Midwest Airlines start RST (Rochester, MN)-MKE? They have been doing a little expansion in Minnesota. Adding DLH-MKE and adding flights to the MSP-MKE route.


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User currently offline737DAB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

I wish they would fly to MDW from MCI at least.


Nothing is certain.
User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

Quoting 737DAB320 (Reply 9):
I wish they would fly to MDW from MCI at least.

I'm fairly certain YX has no intention of ever returning to the Chicago market. It's simply too close to MKE for YX to consider it practical.



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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 2):
My prayers that someday you find a job/employer that will work for you or that you can find peace some other way!

With just a simple comment about putting a CRJ on a 50nm leg turns into bashing me...wtf.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 7):
I would've thought an announcement of an MCI-MSY routing with one of the CRJ's was a foregone conclusion, and I'm a little surprised we haven't seen it yet. On the other hand, XJet may have ruined that party.

Perhaps, but then again: for several years pre-K, MCI-MSY saw 4xD mainline nonstop service. Could certainly see 3xD RJs able to cope.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4568 times:

I'd like to see them add MIA. We have MCI service on AirTran, but a daily MD80 or two to Milwaukee would be welcome. They do well up at the road at FLL.


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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 8):
Could Midwest Airlines start RST (Rochester, MN)-MKE? They have been doing a little expansion in Minnesota. Adding DLH-MKE and adding flights to the MSP-MKE route.

I think that would be quite possible...it would be fantastic.



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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

I'd like to see YX pulling in another west coast city.

User currently offlineMkeflyer717 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 431 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4489 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
I'd like to see them add MIA

That would be nice: AA never got around to flying MKE-MIA like some of us thought.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 8):
Could Midwest Airlines start RST (Rochester, MN)-MKE

Although that would be nice too, I think that route won't be likely any time soon. I mean YX obviously couldn't make LSE work and that's not too terribly far away.

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 15):
I'd like to see YX pulling in another west coast city.

Yeah me too, maybe either PDX or SLC.

Some CRJ expansion I'd like to see includes MKE-LIT, MKE-OKC, MKE-FSD, MKE-BUF, and MKE-RIC
From MCI.... MSY, ABQ, SLC, and Jackson, MS would be great



Avoid the Chicago ORDeal!! Fly MKE!
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4457 times:

They aren't going to add much of anything unless they get a few more birds....and the 717 is not on the add-on list....
which is too bad.
safe



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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4450 times:

Quoting Mkeflyer717 (Reply 16):
Although that would be nice too, I think that route won't be likely any time soon. I mean YX obviously couldn't make LSE work and that's not too terribly far away.

Totally different market...RST is far more dynamic (not to mention bigger.)...Also bear in mind it was on the B1900...not a very desirable aircraft compared to the DC-9s flying in and out of LSE. But RST is just as competitive, so I guess we'll see. YX would definitely have to work a little.



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User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4446 times:

How many RJs are online now?

User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4408 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 17):
They aren't going to add much of anything unless they get a few more birds....and the 717 is not on the add-on list....
which is too bad.

Could this mean we could eventually be seeing an Embraer 195 in YX colours somewhere down the road?



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User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4359 times:

Any chance of seeing MCI-OMA on CRJ's?? It would be nice for connections out of OMA

User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 8):
Could Midwest Airlines start RST (Rochester, MN)-MKE?

I don't think YX will be stepping on NW's toes as long as they have their codeshare (or whatever it is) agreement.


User currently offlineAirbusaddict From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Quote:
I don't think YX will be stepping on NW's toes as long as they have their codeshare (or whatever it is) agreement.

That still doesnt mean they cant start service there. Though I dont Think YX would ever start service to RST, at least for a while because lots of people choose NW to MSP. Red Tail Country. I bet Midwest has been talking about adding FSD to their route map. But idk if it would either be from MKE or FSD. I mean, if they start Duluth Service, theres no doubt Sioux Falls could handle their services.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9501 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Quoting Airbusaddict (Reply 23):

Sioux Falls would be a great add for them, if they'd come in with not outrageously lower fares, but something to give Northwest a little run for their money.



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25 AllegiantAir : And Mayo Clinic is in Rochester. That could give RST and edge too. I'd like to see them add FSD. What about other places in the midwest like FAR, GFK
26 Airbusaddict : Hmmm. PIR, a no, unless they based a Beech 1900 in FSD and did hops, and then BIS, and FAR would probably not be ones they would add to yet. GFK poss
27 N353SK : GFK, from an outsider's perspective, seems starved for competition. Fares are quite high. Has GFK ever applied for one of those grants small cities g
28 Mke717spotter : The idea of YX serving FSD is starting to grow on me a bit. I think they could maybe make it work 2x a day with a CRJ. Doesn't YX have another MD-80 c
29 Dw9115 : Midwest might have a hard time in FSD United is going mainline with 737-500 and 300's in September and a few CRJ's still Northwest is almost all main
30 Airbusaddict : Midwest will not have a tough time competiting against United because the 737's are for FSD-DEN only. But in a few months possibly FSD-ORD also. Siou
31 Post contains images Airbusaddict : I mean, Chicago is one of the top markets to fly too, and a lot of those passengers from FSD on United probably go north to Milwaukee or someplace. I
32 Denver11 : What is the chance they would return to TVC? I flew them a few times when they were here before, liked them alot.
33 PVD757 : I would think that PVD has a good chance for MKE service on CRJs. It's the obvious missing business type destination in the string of northeast market
34 OzarkD9S : I don't recall YX flying to either ORD or MDW. Did I miss something?
35 Gener8tion : Yes you missed something......(OzarkD9S) Im an employee at YX and YES we used to serve Chicago-MDW (Midway) from Milwaukee years ago. YX also OWNS a g
36 Airbusaddict : Does YX lease out that Gate to antoher airline at ORD?
37 Boeing743 : I think that they would go to any cities in Monta, South or North Dakota, Wyoming. They may go to some airport in IL. BMI has been stay strong and sta
38 Knope2001 : Skyway has two passes in the MKE-MDW market, both with BE1. In the early 90s, Mesa operating as YX* flew MKE-MDW-SDF, primarily to serve MDW-SDF. When
39 N911YX : OK, Rob.
40 CWAFlyer : 12. Essentially 8 in MKE and 4 in MCI. A few of the lines hit both MKE and MCI in the same day. 13 if you count the spare in MKE.[Edited 2007-08-08 0
41 Airbusaddict : Questionable on the Wyoming Routes. MY only guess for Montana is seasonal service to Bozeman for the college students and Bozeman itself. (Bozeman wa
42 SkyexRamper : If they were serious about expanding Skyway, they would try to buy Air Midwest from Mesa and take all the 1900Ds and routes out of MCI. But silly me,
43 Airbusaddict : OR just like some expansion. But the ABR, PIR, RAP through FSD was an idea that will never happen... Why would anyone want to buy Air Midwest, havent
44 SkyexRamper : I'm sure it all boils down to Mesa HQ. But buying Air Midwest would give them an already fixed expansion that they currently codeshare on.
45 Airbusaddict : Has Midwest thought about buying Air Midwest. If they did, where would they move the Beech 1900D bases too? Or just keep them? My guesses that they c
46 Mke717spotter : Would YX really wanna buy Air Midwest? They are phasing out the B1900 from their fleet anyways. It would be cool to see some YX B1900s in MCI, but lik
47 Post contains links Airbusaddict : Thats true actually, i just thought that right now. Are they also phasing out the Dornier 328's? Im guessing the CR2's culd be their replacment , but
48 Post contains images OzarkD9S : Thanks for the info. Relatively short-lived apparently, no wonder it didn't register in my brain, if indeed it ever did!
49 SkyexRamper : No news what so ever. No, they are just having a harder time keeping them out of the hanger. Could you guaranty 500 people to flying midwest per day?
50 Thering : I was wondering.... Not considering any merger, are there any changes for us to see a bigger a/c in Midwest colors?? Maybe a 73G or 738 order? How nic
51 Maiznblu_757 : There is a good chance that they could return to TVC. Now that they have larger CRJ aircraft, they can compete with the other airlines currently serv
52 ATAIndy : Why not FWA with a CR2, or maybe even a B1900. Is the distance too close or what?
53 Airbusaddict : Sad...... Ok, so my minimized goal was 500, but id probably like more up to 1-2,000. I guess I will have to raise some money and do some advertising.
54 Mke717spotter : That would be pretty cool if YX opened up some new smaller midwest markets like TVC and FWA which have already been mentioned. Whether it be with the
55 N353SK : There was all sorts of talking about replacing the MD80s with 737s or A320s last summer before the CRJ RFPs and the FL buyout. If YX is still around
56 Thering : Do they make good result with the Signature Service??
57 SkyexRamper : I wouldn't go very much further with your campaign. There are cities that have launched heavy marketing efforts to YX and they never budged. EAU bein
58 Airbusaddict : But would it make any difference that i am 13 years doing this? And its not the airport doing it, it is actually like potential customers, and support
59 SkyexRamper : I know you're only 13, I read your bio, and yes that hurts you far more. Airlines would rather listen to local governments first and their current fl
60 Airbusaddict : I kno that I need to do a lot more research. I know the airport board here in SF and talk to them frequently. But they havent really said anything abo
61 Post contains links Airbusaddict : http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=0,59689 The story about Allegiant adding more flights to Sioux Falls. At the end of it, they still say t
62 CIDflyer : I'd like to see them try CID-MKE again,, this time using the CRJ. Last time around with the B1900 only lasted a couple years, probably not competitive
63 Airbusaddict : Ok. So from a route anaylst thing i did: FSD-ORD gets about 98% load factors out of 5 flights a day. FSD-MSP gets about 60-70% load factors out of 8 f
64 RJNUT : MSP and ORD numbers are huge because that is how you get out of FSD to get anywhere..that is not O/D traffic ,but mostly connecting and YX is looking
65 ScrubbsYWG : want the honest truth? They aren't going to listen to a thing you tell them. They employ people that do this same thing, and then make decisions with
66 Airbusaddict : I could be freaking 90 years old! It doesnt matter what age you are, you can do this, or anything. The number of people staying in ORD is about 40 pe
67 LHboyatDTW : You're 13 years old and that's even below the minimum age to work at a fast food restaurant! What makes you believe that we have to take your word fo
68 Post contains images LHboyatDTW : Especially with you telling us you were on the committee for your local airport since you were 11. I think this is just you acting out in your hopes o
69 Airbusaddict : Take the word for it because I was the one who started it, and the older folks (lol airport board, evry1, etc) are also supporting this. I was the one
70 Airbusaddict : Email sfraa@svtv.org and ask them. Sioux Falls Regional Airport Authority. Ask them if an eleven year old has attended the meetings and been apart of
71 LHboyatDTW : Then scan the damn sheet that proves it! That speaks more than me e-mailing them. I may be 18, but fact is that by now I can be hired as an intern at
72 Airbusaddict : Im sorry for anyone that feels like im making a point of contradicition or whatever. Here is a sum up of what i exactly want to happen: I want an airl
73 Post contains images Airbusaddict : What is your email LH Boy, just Private message me it. Ill send you all the proof and everything! Sounds good? okay! From, Airbus
74 JBo : I would hedge my bets on the MD-80s replacements (737 or A320 series) coming out with a layout closer to that of the upcoming 717 layout: nearly half
75 Dw9115 : I am sorry but I grew up in FSD and come back often and know most of the board members fairly well and I can assure ( I am not trying to be mean) the
76 Airbusaddict : Yeah. So I probably will shut down the Midwest site. But atleast they are trying for DTW and F9. We need a second ATL flight. They are always full. Th
77 Post contains images SANFan : I second that suggestion (and have many, many times!) Now that it appears that both SAN-MCI flights are staying year-round, maybe the MKE flight is c
78 Dw9115 : I wouldn't say shut down your site if you really want Midwest in FSD grassroots support is how you will get there attention but the final decision ul
79 Airbusaddict : Yeah, Mark Sixel, a consulting agent, emailed me, and told me to call him at the airline consulting office. So i dont know what to expect, but im pret
80 Post contains images Mke717spotter : Let's remember that come Monday morning if YX is gone, this all would of been for nothing... I certinaly hope that's not the case though!
81 Airbusaddict : So do I , because if that were to happen, Midwest would become Air Trash. But what Air Tran doesnt know is that MKE citizens who fly Midwest and from
82 CitrusCritter : For some reason, I doubt you've ever flown AirTran, so you should refrain from such name calling. In fact, name calling is not constructive in the le
83 Sideflare75 : Since when??? So I have to pay a $50.00 upgrade fee just to get a seat on a 717?
84 CitrusCritter : They are the MD-80s, so will presumably be on the 717s when the reconfiguration is finished.
85 Airbusaddict : In fact your wrong, I have from Atlanta to Orlando, and I actually preferred Delta over Air Tran because the captain barely said anything, the flight
86 CitrusCritter : I wasn't aware that the flight attendant's voices or the captain's garulousness had much to do with the quality of the airline. Most captains only sp
87 Airbusaddict : Im sorry, but if the flight attendants acting dull and the pilots not going Hello, good afternoon and just being friendly, then i dont know what you c
88 Floridaflyboy : I think you need to rethink your ideas on Montana. BZN is a good market, and a fast-growing market, but you have to look at other cities in Montana.
89 Airbusaddict : I totally agree on that. But right now, i dont think that Midwest will be expanding into Montana anytime soon. But BZN was just my guess.
90 CitrusCritter : So it would seem that you have very limited experience. You've never flown YX (relying on your father's experience) and have flown FL one time. Your
91 Sideflare75 : No such $50.00 upgrade exists for signature seats on the MD-80 since the only ones that have them are the two recently added -88's. They will not sta
92 N822ME : It has been stated that the upgrades will be $60 on the MD-80s for the time being. With the 717s, upgrade fees will be lower, more suited to the dura
93 Post contains images CitrusCritter : Sue me for confusing the MD types YX is flying. Thanks for the good explanation. I remembered originally hearing that they were saying full-fare Y wo
94 Airbusaddict : We are all eligible to our own opinions. I really dont care what the heading or altitude is really, just as long as it is smooth ande we get there. S
95 N353SK : Each way, or round trip?
96 Knope2001 : It appears so far that they will price the 2x2 seating differently on the M80's versus the 717's. The M80's (primarily leisure markets) All coach fare
97 Post contains images Jetmatt777 : I know it is a long shot, but I would like to see OKC on the list. We are technically in the Southwest, not the Midwest
98 Stapleton : I agree that there are no markets in Montana that Midwest should be looking at. However, BZN is not anywhere close to dead in the spring and fall. Co
99 Post contains images SY738fan : I'm a little torn between amusement and annoyance after reading through this thread - teenagers/students beating up on a slightly younger teenager fo
100 Stapleton : Well said!
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