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DL 764 To DKR-JNB, GRU And EZE This Winter  
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24813 posts, RR: 46
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8224 times:

Not yet updated in res systems (should be next weekend), however DL will be moving 764 flying around for the winter away from Europe.

ATL-DKR-JNB effective Oct 27.
ATL-GRU (105/104) Effective Nov 27
ATL-EZE effective Nov 30.
ATL-GRU (145/144) Effective Jan 05


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8099 times:

Smart if you ask me. Taking advantage of reduced demand in Europe and increased demand to these destinations in the Winter. Especially smart in the case of restricted bilateral agreements, such as is the case with GRU and EZE.

Would be nice to see the 764 stay on ATL-JNB year-round. A flight that long really deserves the nicer interiors of the 764s (e.g. PTVs, powerports, etc.)


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8049 times:

Does DL still have domestic-configured 764's in its fleet (i.e., without PTV's and with domestic first instead of Business Elite?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24813 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8021 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 1):
Especially smart in the case of restricted bilateral agreements, such as is the case with GRU and EZE.

Argentina is not restricted any longer. There are additional frequencies available for US carriers under the expanded bilateral.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 2):
Does DL still have domestic-configured 764's in its fleet

Yes.
764 fleet is split with 13 aircraft(1801-1813) in domestic configuration F36Y249, and 8 (1814-1821) in international configurations J42Y204.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7988 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
764 fleet is split with 13 aircraft(1801-1813) in domestic configuration F36Y249, and 8 (1814-1821) in international configurations J42Y204.

Ah! Thanks a lot for the information Laxintl! So the domestic planes basically fly to Hawaii? Or hub-to-hub routes? I recall that at first DL started sending them to Europe and would sell all the seats as coach seats (with the domestic first seats assigned to elite members and/or full-Y pax, right?).

I wonder if DL will refit its 13 764 domestics to international configurated aircraft and redeploy them to Europe, South America, etc.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineDLOnur From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7901 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
I wonder if DL will refit its 13 764 domestics to international configurated aircraft and redeploy them to Europe, South America, etc.

There is a good chance this will occur during the next couple of years. The international push is everything right now at DL. Using every available A/C for expansion is the plan.

-o-



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7886 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
Argentina is not restricted any longer. There are additional frequencies available for US carriers under the expanded bilateral.

It is still restricted. The expanded bilateral will be doubling available frequencies to 112, but it is still restricted.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24813 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7872 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
but it is still restricted.

Not restricted in the sense if DL wanted 7 additional frequencies they would not get them.

As you know outside of AA's possible ORD-EZE route, no carrier has requested even one of the added frequency allocations.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7864 times:

Great news for GRU with yet another expansion of DL in Brazil. DL recently opened a dedicated business lounge in GRU, the Crown Club in GRU is one of the few located outside the US.

Rgs,


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7852 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 7):

As you know outside of AA's possible ORD-EZE route, no carrier has requested even one of the added frequency allocations.

Yup, which has really shocked me. I thought airlines would be all over it.



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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7827 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
Great news for GRU with yet another expansion of DL in Brazil. DL recently opened a dedicated business lounge in GRU, the Crown Club in GRU is one of the few located outside the US.

It's about time. That Air France lounge that they shared was terrible!



Tailwinds!!!
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7721 times:

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 10):
It's about time. That Air France lounge that they shared was terrible!

AF lounge in GRU and GIG are quite nice and based on the new NEV concept. The food is pretty good and certainly better than any available in DL lounges in the US.

Rgs,


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7692 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 7):

As you know outside of AA's possible ORD-EZE route, no carrier has requested even one of the added frequency allocations.


Yup, which has really shocked me. I thought airlines would be all over it.

I would have thought DL would at least apply for JFK-EZE given how hard they fought CO for it a couple years back. Maybe the lack of success on their JFK-GRU flight is making them re-think their JFK-South America plans.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7679 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
I wonder if DL will refit its 13 764 domestics to international configurated aircraft and redeploy them to Europe, South America, etc.



Quoting DLOnur (Reply 5):
There is a good chance this will occur during the next couple of years. The international push is everything right now at DL. Using every available A/C for expansion is the plan.

It has been confirmed that they will all be in international configuration by 2009. In addition to the eight current international aircraft, five more will be converted over the winter for the summer of 2008, with a total of 13 international 767-400s. Currently, the international aircraft are N838MH, N839MH, N840MH, N841MH, N842MH, N843MH, N844MH, and N845MH. I assume that the next five to be converted will be N833MH, N834MH, N835MH, N836MH, and N837MH. The eight remaining domestic 767-400s will be converted to international configuration for the summer of 2009.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4870 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7655 times:
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Quoting RwSEA (Reply 1):
Taking advantage of reduced demand in Europe and increased demand to these destinations in the Winter. Especially smart in the case of restricted bilateral agreements, such as is the case with GRU and EZE.

Actually, ATL-EZE already got the 764ER last winter (starting mid-February) for a short period as did ATL-SCL. This time round I guess SCL is being replaced by GRU.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 12):
Maybe the lack of success on their JFK-GRU flight is making them re-think their JFK-South America plans.

While JFK-GRU may not be a stellar performer like JFK-ACC or other new JFK routes, it is sitll making some progress. Remember that DL has only been in the market for 13 months; previous estimates that led to the conclusion that JFK-GRU is lackluster were based on passenger boardings in IIRC May 2007 where there was no corresponding May 2006 service for comparison. The key is to look at Y-O-Y (year-over-year) numbers to compare apples with apples. Y-O-Y figures only became available staring from mid-June (the service started Jun 16 2006) and so far, it is showing improvement on a direct Y-O-Y basis.


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 14):
ATL-EZE already got the 764ER last winter (starting mid-February) for a short period as did ATL-SCL.

During the last winter Delta didn't´t operate the ATL-EZE route with a 764 . They kept its 763 service. For ATL-SCL route Delta operated the 764 until May 15.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4870 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7562 times:
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Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 15):
During the last winter Delta didn't´t operate the ATL-EZE route with a 764 . They kept its 763 service

Are you 100% sure? I had a reservation on DL101 to EZE in the third week of Feb and had a seat assigned on the 764ER (42J 204Y) but I did have to cancel about a week before and didn't check then whether it was still a 764.


User currently offlineSAOAP From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 170 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7555 times:

Great news for us in Brazil!!! I look forward to spotting some of Delta's 764 in GRU.

Cheers!

Marcelo



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7490 times:
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Nice news ! But i really expect that Rio also deserves the 764 during the winter.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 14):
While JFK-GRU may not be a stellar performer like JFK-ACC or other new JFK routes, it is sitll making some progress. Remember that DL has only been in the market for 13 months; previous estimates that led to the conclusion that JFK-GRU is lackluster were based on passenger boardings in IIRC May 2007 where there was no corresponding May 2006 service for comparison

The route now transports more people, but fares are still very low compared to ATL for example. So the yields are not that high. Situation is improving but considering the competition on this route, better to keep the 763. While ATL-GRU and ATL-GIG R/T both are a US$ 1,300 ticket, JFK-GRU-JFK is just US$ 700. Today for example, Y is fully but you can find a seat on the system for US$ 794 (if you are a top customer like Gold or Platinum, prepare to be upgraded as there are 50% of business class available)

Felipe



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 14):
While JFK-GRU may not be a stellar performer like JFK-ACC or other new JFK routes, it is sitll making some progress.

Doesn't seem to be making much progress with yields and business class loads. JFK-GRU is almost a guaranteed upgrade to C for top flyers.



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7432 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 16):
Are you 100% sure? I had a reservation on DL101 to EZE in the third week of Feb and had a seat assigned on the 764ER (42J 204Y) but I did have to cancel about a week before and didn't check then whether it was still a 764.

Initially Delta assigned the B764 to EZE for the last winter season. However days before they cancelled the 764 service.


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7295 times:

As much as I love the B764, I look forward to the day when Delta deploys a brand-spanking-new Boeing 777-200LR with fully-flat-bed, pod-style Business Elite seats on the year-round Atlanta-Jo'burg route. Oh, glory!!! I am getting moist!  Smile

Surely this will be a prime route for that machine.

Reggaebird


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
AF lounge in GRU and GIG are quite nice and based on the new NEV concept. The food is pretty good and certainly better than any available in DL lounges in the US.

Well I guess each to their own. I thought the AF lounge at GRU was the worst DL lounge that I had ever been in, the food was terrible, there wasn't enough seating for all those using the lounge, it was cramped, and a it had total lack of service (only one representative). The last time I was there was two years ago, so it may have changed since then. If not and that is the NEV concept, then I say I will NEVer use it again. I've made numerous trips through GRU, and I found that particularly lounge so substandard that I would just hang out in the terminal, at a bar that served sushi.



Tailwinds!!!
User currently offlineSwissair4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7136 times:

are there any DL 763's international configuration, that have PTV's, and or the headrest kind of seats of the 764's

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Quoting Swissair4ever (Reply 23):
are there any DL 763's international configuration, that have PTV's, and or the headrest kind of seats of the 764's

A few of the newest 767-300ERs have the headrests, but that is a small minority of them, and most of them do not feature winged headrests. None of the 767-300ERs feature PTVs in economy.



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25 Post contains images Thering : Is DL like this Felipe?? They give Y (Golf/Plat) flyers upgrades to BusinessElite when they are not booked on that?? Didn't know about that. I flew D
26 WorldTraveler : LOS starts up this winter and DL is doing some heavy mod work on the 763ER fleet this winter including adding crew rest facilities to some aircraft to
27 Skibum9 : How are they adding the crew rest facilities? Will it be something like what they did with the MD-11, where they can shut off a portion up front by t
28 Ken4556 : I flew LGW-ATL last month and Delta did upgrade me to business class as a Plat member. So, they do take care of thier FF members when they can.
29 LipeGIG : Yes, they do. Just because they use to sell more Y tickets as they keep some C available. At time of check-in Plat/Gold members get priority for upgr
30 Panamair : Yes, this is pretty much standard operating procedure with most carriers when Y is oversold and there are J class seats available. It costs the airli
31 Hardiwv : Can we expect GRU to get DL B777 during 2008? CO is doing great in its EWR-GRU, while AA JFK-GRU is AAs most profitable route from JFK (LHR brings mor
32 DAL767400ER : No chance, too few of them in the fleet and the 77Ls coming will be needed elsewhere.
33 TBCITDG : I still cannot beleive how much traffic from the US that EZE will be getting! Outside if the big Brasilian players, where next would be the most serve
34 EI321 : Will we see the 764 in DUB again or will it be the 763?
35 TYCOON : On the AF lounges Delta uses or used at GRU and GIG, I actually thought the one at GRU was OK. The new one at GIG is very nice - IF you are the only p
36 Post contains images Hardiwv : Rgs,
37 Thering : No way.
38 LipeGIG : As explained by DAL767400ER, no chance even in 2009/2010. And with China on sight, the new frames probably will be used there. They perform well for
39 EA772LR : Has DL painted any of the 764ER's in the new colors. I have seen a 763, but are there any 764ER's with the new livery??
40 Hardiwv : GRU is one of DL's top intercontinental markets. I would not be surprised, although there is no doubt that Asia remains the number one candidate for
41 C010T3 : The problem at GIG is that AF is the only Skyteam member with a lounge. The lounge at GIG was the first one worldwide to have been renovated with NEV
42 EXAAUADL : What are the timings of ATL-JNB? What is flying it now? 763 or 777?
43 747fan : Does anyone know which Europe routes the 764's for DKR/JNB, GRU, and EZE are being taken off of? I assume they can't take one of the 2 764's for ATL-H
44 HVNandrew : Considering ATL-DKR-JNB was originally supposed to be flown with a 772, it's about time for an upgrade.
45 Panamair : The 764ER will pretty much be gone from all transatlantic routes during the winter except for ATL-CDG. Simply putting them on DKR/JNB, GRU, EZE will
46 Hardiwv : Interesting observation, you are correct. In general, we could conclude that during the Winter DL is deploying the B764 to GRU/EZE/DKR-JNB while duri
47 Panamair : This past summer, the international 764ERs were deployed on: ATL-CDG (2x) ATL-LGW (1x) ATL-MAN ATL-MXP ATL-MAD ATL-BCN Total of 7 transatlantic fligh
48 Hardiwv : Hence we could assume the above are the routes bringing more results to DL network in Europe. I am personally surprised with BCN. Rgs,
49 DAL767400ER : BCN has grown rather nicely over the past few years. This past season was the first time IIRC that BCN maintained a daily nonstop flight to the US on
50 Kappel : Any chance AMS might also see the DL 764 in the near future? Is the route doing well enough? Would be nice to see the DL 764 next to the CO 764 which
51 Hardiwv : DL has 21 x 764ERs in total of which 8 are "international" (BE for international). 5 x B764ER will undergo conversion this Winter and the remaining 8
52 Post contains images Umfolozi : Got a brief glimpse of Delta 34 while in Jo'burg last weekend. Can't wait to see the B767-400ER!
53 Thering : Definately ATL-GRU would be a candidate... Even JFK-GRU! Delta is doin't quite well in Brazil and growing fast...
54 FLYGUY767 : Arent the following routes as well: CVG-FCO ATL-FCO x 1 JFK-SNN -JD
55 WorldTraveler : ATLAMS is scheduled for a 764 this fall and winter. Given that the S. America and JNB flights sit for the day in ATL, you can do scheduled maintenance
56 1337Delta764 : Those routes use a domestically-configured 767-400 sold as all coach. In the future, Delta may do the same with some of the domestic 767-300s now tha
57 Post contains images Evan767 : ...in domestic configuration. Hmmm, did you read the thread title?
58 Thering : I think he ment before the 764?? Think was a 763
59 Evan767 : Oh my mistake, yeah it's a 763.
60 Thering : So BE flyers get those poor seats??
61 Alitalia744 : No, flights are sold as all-coach. Medallions get to select the domestic F-seats when they book...
62 Thering : ah.. good deal so.
63 Hardiwv : ATL-GRU DL B764 now is confirmed and loaded on the system Departure: 19:35 Atlanta, USA - Hartsfield Jackson, terminal S Arrival: 08:05 +1 day(s) Sao
64 Thering : Which routes are DL operating with the 772s?
65 Alitalia744 : ATL-JFK-BOM ATL-ICN ATL-NRT ATL-TLV ATL-DXB ATL-LAX (during turn between TLV flights)
66 Hardiwv : Once the B772 long range join the fleet one strong candidate is ATL-JNB nostop. Rgs,
67 MD11junkie : I think you mean 77L?
68 Post contains images Hardiwv : EZE is doing great in DL's network and CO even uses its B777 to EZE sometimes. Rgs,
69 Cmtehori : Great news for non-revs!!! It´s almost like having the capacity of the MD-11 when it used to fly down here! Can´t stand burning S2´s anymore! I gu
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