Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
B6 Reports Good July  
User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1680 times:

Traffic and load factor grow, but congestion hurts B6's on-time performance.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/06/ap3991222.html

13 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2995 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Very nice RASM increase - 11%! That beat JetBlue's original expectation of 7-9%, so that's a good sign.

Operational performance still sucks, but it's July - what do ya expect?

JetBluefan1



Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
User currently offlinePgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Yes, it is a good July when B6 takes 17 hours out of my weekend for a simple PIT-JFK r/t. I am driving next time...it is quicker and cheaper. Their operations in JFK are a joke until their new terminal opens and the FAA/B6 does something to limit/improve congestion at the airport.

-pgh234


User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

I believe you need to blame ATC - as all NY airports are now experiencing gridlock.....

Thank DL for adding flights on every route that B6 adds.....

Nobody wanted JFK before B6 got there...


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2995 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

The July numbers aren't out at the DOT yet, but according to June figures, B6 was more on-time at JFK than DL by nearly 15 points. DL was in the high 30's while B6 was in the low 50's.

The fact that JetBlue, which has a larger operation at JFK than DL, is able to operate more on-time than DL at an airport that both airlines refer to as a "hub" is rather impressive.

In addition, taking a second look at July RASM, it's even more impressive considering the addition of JFK/BOS-SFO, LGB-ORD, JFK/BOS-AUA/CUN which helped keep average stage length long. Also, last July was a very good month for JetBlue, so this is only an improvement on something that was already great to begin with.

For August numbers I would expect something similar - under the assumption that there is no terror alert and liquid ban like last year.

JetBluefan1



Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Always add 4 to 26 hours when flying DL via JFK. Don't expect baggage or assistance when they play the weather game. Biggest shambles you will ever come across for service. The job of Customer Service agent for DL at JFK is not something I would relish, as everyday must be the same, screwed passengers shouting and being abusive.

All this we must have frequency crap!! Just give me a time I can rely on, maybe I have to wait an hour or so longer, but I would know it would leave on time.


User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 911 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

Best time to travel JFK is 11:00am to 4:00. After that it's a roll of the dice. I used to love JFK, and have been leaning more towards LGA these days..even with Thunderstorms, at least it is slot controlled and the max delay is 2 hours (Normally at worst)...JFK it's unknown. A gamble. Then embrace the fact that planes are going 'mechanical' more often, and then flight crews going illegal because of the delays.

User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2034 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1309 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 6):
Best time to travel JFK is 11:00am to 4:00. After that it's a roll of the dice. I used to love JFK, and have been leaning more towards LGA these days..even with Thunderstorms, at least it is slot controlled and the max delay is 2 hours (Normally at worst)...JFK it's unknown. A gamble. Then embrace the fact that planes are going 'mechanical' more often, and then flight crews going illegal because of the delays.

Yeah, I remember when JFK was least delayed airport. Back in May 2004, I was flying BUF-JFK on Jetblue. Continentals flight to EWR and USAirways flight to LGA were both delayed but my Jetblue flight to JFK was ontime. This is of course before DL formed a hub there.



Frontier Early Returns Ascent Status| Webmaster of an unoffical TTN page see profile for details
User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 911 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Now I know why AA has such a big operation at LGA and didn't move more flights to JFK. I am travelling to MIA this friday and quickly picked LGA over JFK based on my last 7 experiences at JFK. It costs more to park there but its worth it, with all the delays at JFK I have added days of parking costs, whereas at LGA it a few hours here and there if there is a delay. Then that overcrowded and operationally stupid Airtrain at JFK. It comes and goes when it wants!!

User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1228 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 4):
The fact that JetBlue, which has a larger operation at JFK than DL, is able to operate more on-time than DL at an airport that both airlines refer to as a "hub" is rather impressive.



Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 3):
I believe you need to blame ATC - as all NY airports are now experiencing gridlock.....

Thank DL for adding flights on every route that B6 adds.....

Nobody wanted JFK before B6 got there...

Maybe this is all part of Delta's grand plan to attack JetBlue!
Seriously, you can't exactly blame Delta for all of the problems at JFK. I think that some of the problems are at least of JetBlue's own making.. they need to branch out and diversify a little perhaps. Its going to be tough for them - especially with the new terminal coming next year - but I'm not sure how else to fix the problems.

Everybody blames RJs and props for congestion at JFK but in my experience they represent such a small percentage of the overall flights. Even if you removed every flight from the airport operated by an aircraft with less than 70 seats, you'd still have delays. And as more flights continue to be added, it wouldn't be long before the current delays would be the norm again.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineMtb555 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1196 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 9):
Seriously, you can't exactly blame Delta for all of the problems at JFK

Very true, but they are certainly one of the major players at the airport right now, and there are constant turbo-props arriving and departing. The line for departure yesterday morning must have been about 90 minutes, and I saw at least 6-8 Delta regionals (whether they be props or CRJs). Not to take any congestion blame away from B6 (please don't mistake me there, B6 certainly has dozens of planes out there too, so not defending them there), but DL is certainly another big carrier adding to the congestion.

Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 2):
Their operations in JFK are a joke until their new terminal opens and the FAA/B6 does something to limit/improve congestion at the airport

When all is said and done, it's really not any airline's fault for the congestion. Sure, if the airlines take advantage of the limitless slots at the airport, they're bound to run into trouble with congestion if they add any possible flight they can. One airline won't hold back on their flight schedule if they see a competitor taking whatever they can get. The way I look at it, it's the airlines taking advantage of their ability to add as many flights as they can. True, they're shooting themselves in the foot as far as on-time performance, but perhaps if limits were imposed, none of this would be a problem?


User currently offlineEnginesRUs From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 9):
Everybody blames RJs and props for congestion at JFK but in my experience they represent such a small percentage of the overall flights. Even if you removed every flight from the airport operated by an aircraft with less than 70 seats, you'd still have delays. And as more flights continue to be added, it wouldn't be long before the current delays would be the norm again.

Ah - except in the case of Delta at JFK . If you compare schedules between 2004 and 2007, both Jetblue and Delta have doubled their departures out of JFK (94% for B6, 101% for DL and its regional partners). As a result, DL actually has more departures out of JFK than B6 these days, but with much smaller aircraft. Overall, of the 32,000+ additional departures added by DL per year, over 80% were using RJs and turboprops. Jetblue added just under 30,000 on A320s and 190s. If you removed every flight operated by aircraft less than or equal to 70 seats from the airport, Delta's operation at JFK alone would drop by 60%, or over 110 flights per day.


User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1165 times:

Quoting EnginesRUs (Reply 11):
Ah - except in the case of Delta at JFK . If you compare schedules between 2004 and 2007, both Jetblue and Delta have doubled their departures out of JFK (94% for B6, 101% for DL and its regional partners).

Who has more of the domestic market share though?



Not all of us can be heroes, some of us can only stand on the sidewalk and clap as they go by.
User currently offlineEnginesRUs From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1125 times:

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 12):
Who has more of the domestic market share though?

Between those two carriers, no question Jetblue at JFK


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
B6 Reports August Traffic, CEO Comments posted Thu Sep 7 2006 21:16:42 by FA4B6
Is B6 292 Good Press For JetBlue? posted Thu Sep 22 2005 04:15:57 by JetBluefan1
WestJet Reports 81.3% July LF posted Thu Aug 4 2005 17:36:43 by YOW
JetBlue Reports 91.1% July Loadfactor! posted Thu Aug 4 2005 14:53:52 by SHUPirate1
LH Reports A Good Profit For 2004 posted Tue Mar 1 2005 19:41:12 by KLMA330
Delta Reports Highest Ever July Load Factor! posted Sat Aug 4 2007 16:36:38 by OOer
CO Reports July 2007 Operational posted Thu Aug 2 2007 06:18:16 by Cslusarc
Delta Reports July 2006 Results posted Wed Aug 30 2006 22:49:36 by Panamair
B6 To MIA Announcement July 21? posted Mon Jul 17 2006 00:21:27 by FLAIRPORT
AA Cancelling EWR-SJU ...good News For B6! posted Tue Nov 8 2005 04:29:13 by Werdywerd