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Former F/A Recalls Flight From HELL....FUN Read  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6437 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12677 times:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20053546/

i don't know what's worse, being a pax or a crew mwmber on this flight. Don't know the airline, sorry.


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12597 times:

The only thing that comes to mind after reading this is that either the Captain hadn't used his authority as necessary, or the writer is hiding the fact that he/she did, given that the Captain is not mentioned once in the story, although he/she must have interacted many times during the crisis.

Basically, if a riot starts onboard, it is enough reason to divert.



"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
User currently offlineEHCPH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12521 times:

Very interesting story indeed... Amazing how everything can go wrong at one time...

Sounds like Tower Air to me...


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12442 times:

If I was a f/a on that flight I probably would have ended up saying "f*** this" and quitting half way there as well. Amazing how stupid many passengers are, making it as if it was the flight attendants fault that the airplane was broken, their crew time ran out, the bridge broke, etc.


CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12419 times:

Sounds like an ideal candidate for Mike Rowe who is looking for more "Dirty Jobs". This would be right up his alley, what with all the sewers he crawls in.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12309 times:

Here's a question: If, as stated in this story, an airline refused to let their crew disembark from going over their legal limit, and the crew is "forced to fly", so to speak, who is to be prosecuted? The airline? Or the individual crew members?

Also, if an airline cancels a flight due to mechanical reasons, aren't they supposed to provide accomodations?

Quote:
Sounds like Tower Air to me...

Agreed - sounding very much like a TLV-JFK flight.



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User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12221 times:

Tower is not a major airline (although certainly a prime candidate, I flew them once, unforgettable!)... I read/heard many stories of major US airlines playing that very trick on crews (pulling the jetway so they cannot get off when they become illegal). I have no link to one here though.

User currently offlineBoeing737WG From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12046 times:

F/A's don't deseve to take that kind of abuse. People should be glad that they are there to help them insted of verbaly abusing them. I feel sorry for the F/A's on that flight.  flamed ,that's how i would feel if i was an F/A on that flight.


Boeing737WG



Yay, I won baid-aids! :)
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11935 times:

I feel very sorry for that crew. Amazingly bad luck for all those negative occurences to happen at once, and they didn't deserve the treatment they got. Also, what's up with the attitude that gate agent had? Good to hear he was fired for his conduct.


Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11876 times:

If I ever meet this guy, I'll buy him a beer. If he is reading this: Thank you for the courage to stand up and thank everyone. Not everyone can do this and you are one who can.

What airline was this?

Hunter



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11782 times:

Quote:
The gate agent replied that this was impossible — there was no replacement crew, no vacant hotels in the city and, besides, the mechanics had fixed the problem.

"Oh, no they haven't!" a voice shouted out from the cockpit.

I snickered at that part.

This sounds like a very bad flight to be on. But the insults and spitting were really unnecessary.


User currently offlineFutureSDPDcop From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1293 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11767 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 9):
Thank you for the courage to stand up and thank everyone. Not everyone can do this and you are one who can.

It wasn't his choice. He said all the bathrooms had been taken by other crew so he was forced to be out in the passenger cabin.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11763 times:

Quoting FutureSDPDcop (Reply 11):

It wasn't his choice. He said all the bathrooms had been taken by other crew so he was forced to be out in the passenger cabin.

He could have went into the cockpit. But he choose to stand out.

Hunter



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11723 times:

Passengers handle bad situations very differently.

When I first started at HA last November we were in the midst of an aircraft shortage, so many flights were rescheduled to operate between 4 and 20 hours earlier or later than originally planned. Passengers were contacted in advance and given travel vouchers between $200 and $500 depending on the length of the delay (I think HA did a great job handling this situation).

The 2nd flight I ever worked was a 12 hour delayed HNL-SEA-HNL turn leaving at 2am with the entire crew (all 9 F/As) being my classmates from training....yes we were nervous. I ended up being the First F/A (lucky me!) and even though we were all very new I dont think the passengers could tell. When we got to the gate the passengers were sprawled out everywhere sleeping. Most of them were glad to be getting home and the flight went pretty smoothly.

During deplaning most of the passengers were ok.....but one guy yelled one word in my face as he stepped off, "INTOLERABLE." I thanked him and said goodbye. A few weeks later we got a compliment letter for the flight saying how good we all did even though it was so late....blah, blah, blah.

Moral of the story, some people are half glass full types, others are half glass empty types.

INTOLERABLE!!

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineBCALBOY From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11495 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 13):
The 2nd flight I ever worked was a 12 hour delayed HNL-SEA-HNL turn leaving at 2am with the entire crew (all 9 F/As) being my classmates from training

Sounds very dubious to me ......does the FAA have regulations reg the nbr of 'ROOKY' F/As on any given Flt.

C'ant believe they wud allow the In Charge Crew Member to br straight out of training school !!!

Certainly wouldn-t happen in Europe.


User currently offlineKubus From Poland, joined Dec 2005, 183 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11002 times:

This story sounds really familiar for some reason. Wasn't there a trip report a while back with A.netter side of this?

User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10812 times:

Quoting EHCPH (Reply 2):
Sounds like Tower Air to me...

LOL!!! This would have been Tower Air on a good day!!


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10565 times:

The one thing that always irritates me is when people say that F/As are nothing but waiters/waitresses at 30K feet. They are there for our safety, to listen for weird/odd sounds during flight, and to evacuate the plane in an emergency. I always think about that AF A343 that burst into flames in Toronto a few years back. It was a perfect example of how the F/As can save lives in an emergency, just so happen that they can also bring you your food.

I always make the point of saying thanks to the flight crew after I fly, if only more of my fellow passengers did the same.

P.S. Any guesses as to which airline he worked for?

Cheers!

Charles


User currently offlineD328 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10482 times:

So I think the captain should have left the seat belt sign on. I would have. Even though I see people get up all the time when it is on. Tell the F/A's to sit down and strap in, and say looks to be turbulence ahead. I see F/A's all the time come over the p.a. telling people to sit down. Or claim you are sick and can't fly.
If I was a F/A and someone spit on me I would have called the cops, or if it was a guy I would have wanted to deck the guy in the face (if it was a guy). Isn't that interfering with a crew member, and now in the US that is a bad thing to do.
I guess this is why I am in flight school and never want to be in the back with the F/A's. I couldn't handle it, I am not that great with rude people. I respect them for what they do and for what they have to put up with!


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10359 times:

Quoting BCALBOY (Reply 14):
Sounds very dubious to me ......does the FAA have regulations reg the nbr of 'ROOKY' F/As on any given Flt.

No such regulations. We were all qualified as far as safety goes. It rarely happens, but did to my class at Hawaiian because of the rescheduled flights where an entire crew would be aseembled from the standby F/As.

For most of my classmates before this trip we flew interisland and 1 mainland flight then we all ended up together on one flight.

My 1st few days at Hawaiian:
6 landing interisland day,
2-day San Francisco trip which was rescheduled to operate 2 hours late (had a great senior crew!!).
2 landing interisland (called in for ONE 3am flight to Maui with 12 people!!)
Rescheduled HNL-SEA-HNL turn, all 9 F/As were my classmates
9 landing Interisland day (CRAZY day of crew shortages, my 1st time flying as 1st F/A interisland!!!)
Rescheduled HNL-SEA-HNL turn, all 9 F/As were my classmates, ferried the plane HNL-SEA (very fun!)
Deadhead HNL-LAX-PDX, work PDX-HNL. all 8 F/As were my classmates

What was really funny was 3 of my classmates had to do an interisland day together on their 1st day!! They said the pilots and some F/A commuters on the flights helped them out alot.

We used it as an opportunity to try different positions without being junioed into them and all worked together to get the job done.

I got the "honor" of flying as First F/A because I was the class valedictorian from training and they guilt-tripped me into doing it.

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlinePhiladelphia1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10359 times:

ugh. shame on air travel in situations like that.  thumbsdown 

Well here are some clues in the article.

1. 11 hour flight back to the US
2. Crew hour limit with no replacement, so we can rull out it being a hub for that airline.
3. Convention intown and all rooms were booked (later admitted that there were actually some rooms, so maybe a major city)

Im guessing maybe
CO TLV-EWR
DL SVO-JFK
CO LOS-EWR
any south american route.
Who knows, im tired and just throwing out flights, lol

Quoting Kubus (Reply 15):
This story sounds really familiar for some reason. Wasn't there a trip report a while back with A.netter side of this?

There was a recent CO flight from AMS i think to EWR where the toilets broke and there was a big delay. not sure tho.


User currently offlineSuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10138 times:

My question is after parousing the guys website, I saw this photo. Did this actually happen? It looks real to me.


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User currently offlineSuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10094 times:

On another note, I think he flew for United. Most of the photos on his site appear to be United (or Star Alliance). And he I think he flies for an American airline - so that would make sense.


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User currently offlineD328 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10094 times:

Quoting SuseJ772 (Reply 21):
My question is after parousing the guys website, I saw this photo. Did this actually happen? It looks real to me.

Fake.


User currently offlinePhiladelphia1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10049 times:

Quoting D328 (Reply 23):
Quoting SuseJ772 (Reply 21):
My question is after parousing the guys website, I saw this photo. Did this actually happen? It looks real to me.

Fake.

concur...


25 Post contains links D328 : From this photo? Or this test on this 747? http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoessays/lockerbie/8.html Edit- Added some text.[Edited 2007-08-07 06:4
26 AirTranTUS : Fake, but there was an actual demonstration where a few grams of a substance did that damage to a 747. Just shows you cargo in the hold should be scr
27 Wingsofman72 : CO has never flown LOS-EWR, nearly did, but was non-starter. I agree Tower Air sounds like a good bet.
28 Post contains links PanAm747 : The picture you show is doctored. The plane that was blown up was a 747 being used as a control case in an evaluation of a new type of lining for carg
29 N710PS : Wow, I recall Tower, that was my uncles last gig. What a joke of a company.
30 Boeingluvr : Fake picture. Looks a little bit more like how the airline is run then an actual accident!
31 Bwohlgemuth : Yeah, my dad was lead 747 captain there for a while. There's been quite a few jokes from that place.
32 NorthstarBoy : if i had to guess, i'd say maybe UA, and as for the a/c type, probably a 763, my logic being i don't think you can hear the flight crew from the midsh
33 AirTran717 : Possibly both. Most likely both. In crew reg issues, the individual crew member is ultimately responsible for their duty time though. It's a raw deal
34 Starlionblue : What always amazes me is how abusive pax are. I was recently on a very delayed flight that was canceled because a ground stop was putting the crew ove
35 EXAAUADL : 10:1 this was NWA flight from NRT.
36 MCOflyer : disagree. If it was in NRT, wouldn't they have had a spare plane since NRT is one of NW's hubs? ten bucks on UA or AA. Hunter
37 787EWR : Fake - You would have heard about that one.
38 Post contains images BigOrange : Sounds like last week's USeless Airways flight from MUC to PHL
39 Boeing744 : That really sounds like a terrible flight that the FA experienced. I'll add my nightmare-flight to the list. I was coming home from a vacation near Sa
40 Cytz_pilot : Ugh, sounds like a horrible experience for all concerned. The behavior of some of those passengers made me cringe, I don't know what it is about air t
41 Morvious : Well, I love being on an airplane and I always dislike the fact that the flight is "already" over, but this is something else. I can understand it why
42 DiscoverCSG : Except for the early evening departure time - this would put the plane back in the US after midnight. My money is on a return from Asia (UA KIX-ORD?)
43 NorthstarBoy : not in the least, Southwest is good, but they can't control the weather, just noting that on that one particular flight from Stl-Oma, we almost went
44 Post contains images Advancedkid : Hi There, Form the description I get the feeling it was a DC-10 or L1011. But must be a second class airline ala Tower Air that operated one of the ty
45 ACFA : Here is what I posted on the MSN forum in response to the article: I have to take the time here to thank James Wysong for posting his experience from
46 EXAAUADL : Ivre heard something like this on NW before. Does NW have hot spare 744s in NRT?
47 Zone1 : It has to be either AA or UA because he states that there is a business and first class section. A good start here. I think it is a 777 because he sa
48 SHUPirate1 : Zone1-Isn't, or wasn't, NRT-SEA a 777, with continuing service to Denver?
49 Post contains images Starlionblue : Ok. Just checking.
50 Zone1 : Yes, NRT-SEA does continue on to DEN. Right now there is an equipment change in SEA. I think a year ago the 777 continued on to DEN because I remembe
51 IAirAllie : Maybe the crew's standard issue crystal balls were broken. Any weather update would have been an educated guess at best. Would you have been happier
52 NorthstarBoy : I would assume that the cockpit crew was in regular communication with the ops department, which would be monitoring the situation, the cockpit crew
53 L1011Lover : This guy used to work for Pan Am out of LHR and later transfered to United. Now based out of the US. He wrote three books (I think) under the pseudony
54 L1011Lover : Oh, I just realized I haven´t given any new info, as there is a link to his website... lol... anyhow, as many questioned what airline this might have
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