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ASA FA Admits To Drinking On Board; Arrested  
User currently offlineTvnewsguy08 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 43 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

DL Flight attendant arrested at Bluegrass Airport in Lexington. Allegedly drank Jack Daniels on Board. Reportedly screamed at pilot "You're dead."


http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/8926937.html

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User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8159 times:

Why do they show the picture of that person and add her name to it?


DALelite



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6517 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8063 times:

Quoting Tvnewsguy08 (Thread starter):
DL Flight attendant arrested at Bluegrass Airport in Lexington

Do you have something against Delta, that caused you to put them in the title?


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8063 times:

Video report stated she blew a .03 Alcohol percentage yet was removed from the aircraft by a stretcher? Why would they remove her with a stretcher?
On a lighter note, I thought that when aircraft are catered in Kentucky, Jack Daniels is always part of the crew snacks?  Smile

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User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8049 times:

she probably needed the onboard drink to calm her jitters..looks like she parties alot and probably tied one on the night before. and had one helluva hangover..Poor thing...maybe she''ll get some help..Jail would be good for her to help sober her up !

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7998 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 3):
On a lighter note, I thought that when aircraft are catered in Kentucky, Jack Daniels is always part of the crew snacks?

Jack Daniels is Tennessee Whiskey, not Kentucky Burbon.

Quoting DALelite (Reply 1):
Why do they show the picture of that person and add her name to it?

Why...? What is the issue...? She's been charged with a crime.

[Edited 2007-08-06 23:13:17]


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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7947 times:

I'd like to know more about how this unruly flight attendant managed to get as far as she did while under the influence. I say throw the book at her.

Quoting DALelite (Reply 1):
Why do they show the picture of that person and add her name to it?

What is wrong with that? News agencies show names and pictures of persons accused of committing a crime every day.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 2):
Do you have something against Delta, that caused you to put them in the title?

This ASA flight was probably operated under the Delta brand. Whenever it's bad news, isn't it funny how the mainline carrier always tries to distance itself as far as possible from it's regional partners? When Delta allows a company such as ASA to paint their planes in their scheme and operate a significant portion of their schedule, Delta is going to get bad press when ASA gets bad press--Live with it. At least this article doesn't mention Delta.



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User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7904 times:

Quoting Jhooper (Reply 6):
What is wrong with that? News agencies show names and pictures of persons accused of committing a crime every day.

something which would mostly not happen in Europe. I think, no matter the person did, he/she deserves privacay!

DALelite



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User currently offlineRlorenzo24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7897 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 2):

The article states Atlantic Southeast Airlines, yet the footage shows DL. It's still not clear for whom she worked for. It's sad that this got out of hand to the point of having the media cover it. What a way to develop a reputation.


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7861 times:

Quoting DALelite (Reply 7):
something which would mostly not happen in Europe. I think, no matter the person did, he/she deserves privacay!

Welcome to the world of the U.S. media, where people are tried and convicted in the court of public opinion before the accused even sees the inside of a courtroom!

 stirthepot 



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13704 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7844 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
Quoting HALFA (Reply 3):
On a lighter note, I thought that when aircraft are catered in Kentucky, Jack Daniels is always part of the crew snacks?

Jack Daniels is Tennessee Whiskey, not Kentucky Burbon.

True. Think Makers Mark, Knob Creek or even (gasp!) Jim Beam - those are all bourbons.



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User currently offlineA380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

She works for ASA. Not DL

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

Quoting Rlorenzo24 (Reply 8):
yet the footage shows DL.

Too bad it doesn't show Miss Mills in handcuffs behind her back being escorted to the cop car. How could the TSA not catch that if they can catch pilots? Strange!



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User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

Im a little confused. I was not aware that it was a crime for a Flight Attendant to drunk while at work. Obviously, she should be fired but what crime did she commit? She wasn't part of the crew flying the plane. I would be interested if someone could show me where it is against the law.

I thought it was funny when the article said that she was "too drunk to fly". As if she were just a little less drunk then she would have been okay to fly.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7802 times:

Quoting Rlorenzo24 (Reply 8):
The article states Atlantic Southeast Airlines, yet the footage shows DL. It's still not clear for whom she worked for. It's sad that this got out of hand to the point of having the media cover it. What a way to develop a reputation.

Well, looking at the flight status online at Delta's website, Flight 4865 for yesterday (12:00 PM departure from LEX, 1:26 PM arrival into ATL) was cancelled. 4865 is operated by ASA, which tells me this woman must work for ASA.

As for the footage, well, the news media always sucks with that. The "Flight Cancelled" artwork at the start of the news story is a 747. That should have been the first hint. Doubt they see too many of those in LEX. The footage of DL was stock footage taken at ATL. According to DL's flight schedule, they don't operate 737-800s or 757-200s into LEX. Only one mainline MD-88 per day. The other 7 flights a day are a mix of CRJs and ERJs.


User currently offlineRlorenzo24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7802 times:

Quoting DALelite (Reply 7):

Drunks exist everywhere nowadays. Europe would not report it in the media, because it's not a priority. Certain jobs suffer more pounding in the press than others, such as Flight Attendants. The public just loves it when they screw up.


User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7784 times:

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
m a little confused. I was not aware that it was a crime for a Flight Attendant to drunk while at work. Obviously, she should be fired but what crime did she commit? She wasn't part of the crew flying the plane. I would be interested if someone could show me where it is against the law.

It's a DOT regulation or FAA regulation, basically FA are a safety sensitive profession and require being sober while on duty....FAA/DOT regulation is that your Blood Alcohol Content(BAC) be under a certain level while on duty, however I can't remember it off the top of my head. Also, it's a FAA/DOT regulation that a FA cannot consume alcohol 8 hours prior to going on duty, however that rule varies from airline to airline(i.e. some airlines its 12hours prior).


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7754 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
How could the TSA not catch that if they can catch pilots? Strange!

According to the article, she drank onboard before the passengers boarded. The pilots the TSA have caught came thru the checkpoint and smelled of alcohol.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7754 times:

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
Obviously, she should be fired but what crime did she commit?

She said this that makes it a felony:

Quoting Tvnewsguy08 (Thread starter):
Reportedly screamed at pilot "You're dead."

Not very smart on her part.



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User currently offlineGman3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7737 times:

Quoting DALelite (Reply 7):
something which would mostly not happen in Europe. I think, no matter the person did, he/she deserves privacay!

DALelite

Europe is worse! Off topic, but when I was in LHR on a layoevr a couple years ago, The boy in the Michael Jackson case had his name and picture plastered all over the place!


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7653 times:

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
I was not aware that it was a crime for a Flight Attendant to drunk while at work.

yes it is... it was stated in the news segment. I want to say it is performing duties as a flight crew member while under the influance. It's a federal crime.... not local.



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7610 times:

Quoting DALelite (Reply 7):
something which would mostly not happen in Europe. I think, no matter the person did, he/she deserves privacay!

In the US freedom of press lets them do that.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
. I was not aware that it was a crime for a Flight Attendant to drunk while at work

FAR's state that a working crewmember may not consume alcohol within 8 hours of performing crewmember functions. FA's are crewmembers, FARs are laws. The FA broke the law and committed a crime. Do you want the person, in this case the only fa onboard, to be incapacitated if there is a fire, medical emergency or decompression in flight? The cockpit crew can't leave the flight deck to attend to these emergencies.


User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7533 times:

well i think that it is wrong to give out names and pictures before someone is convicted over whatever!!!
ey, think, what happens if that person is proven right??? will she/he ever get a job again, how about housing and so on?
I agree on a punishment. but why giving out names and pictures so easily? we will loose control over the system like that easily!!!

DALelite



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User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7444 times:

Quoting Gman3 (Reply 19):
Europe is worse! Off topic, but when I was in LHR on a layoevr a couple years ago, The boy in the Michael Jackson case had his name and picture plastered all over the place!

Just in the UK as far as I know, the British tabloids are pretty bad. Having said that if she committed the crime in the UK I doubt if she would be plastered over the paper in that way as once you're charged the case is sub judice and there are severe restrictions on what can be reported to avoid contaminating a jury pool.

Quoting DALelite (Reply 22):
well i think that it is wrong to give out names and pictures before someone is convicted over whatever!!!
ey, think, what happens if that person is proven right??? will she/he ever get a job again, how about housing and so on?

In Switzerland I think the accused can't be named in the press even after conviction. The papers tend to just give the first name and the initial of the surname. Even the Blick.

In any case, since she threatened the pilot she's probably toast.


User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7159 times:

No, I get the whole CFR part of it. I know that it's against FAA rules for a crew member to consume alcohol while on duty. I've seen FA's be fired in the past, however, for consuming alcohol while on duty and not once did the airline ever have a FA put in jail for that. I wonder whether the CFR is reason enough for a FA to be prosecuted and put in jail.

[Edited 2007-08-07 07:03:50]

25 Post contains links Itsjustme : According to this article, she was charged with and arraignment on terroristic threatening and public alcohol intoxication. She pleaded not guilty to
26 Azstagecoach : I see your point. To go to jail there would have to be a criminal act and it's not clear if the regs make it such. What does the FAR say about punish
27 Access-Air : Funny, youd prolly never see names and faces if one of the pilots was the one being taken off the plane.....Or would you?? Were any of the Pilots in
28 JAAlbert : Well she was drunk after all -- drunk people say things like that all the time at the point of arrest. Mel Gibson had some choice (and hilarious) wor
29 Post contains images AirframeAS : What?! You gotta be kidding me. Miss Mills' BAC was .03, hardly drunk which was nothing. Mel Gibson's was, what, twice over the legal limit? Thats ap
30 Kuna : Ok, what she did was wrong by far. 1. She shouldn't be charged with anything related to drinking. Her BAC .03, FAA says .04 is too drunk, and .08 for
31 Access-Air : Hello, shes in charge of passengers on her plane.....It is a motorized vehicle, it doesnt fly on just hope and willingness to get to the destination.
32 FLYGUY767 : Any alcohol in the crew members system within 8-12 hours of flight depending on the airline is grounds for suspension or termination.. According to a
33 Kuna : Shes is not operating as the charge states. Agreed, not saying that she shouldn't be suspended or terminated. But according to FAA standards she was
34 Acey559 : Yes it is. My dad is a retired police officer here in IL and now works for the Illinois Department of Transportation. His main job is being in charge
35 N844AA : Maybe this has been covered in this thread, but I'm not sure, since there's been some conflicting information. So assuming that she was OK to work wi
36 AndrewUber : The aircraft she was on was flying a DL flight. Most passengers on the aircraft are not avid airliners.net forum members, and do not think of themsel
37 Travatl : From the stories I've heard from flight attendants who worked "back when", I think it used to be VERY common. Alcohol testing only began in the early
38 Post contains images Jhooper : That's exactly what I was trying to say, but you said it with more eloquence.
39 DALelite : this was the first article i have ever seen and read about someone that was taken off the plane because of consuming alcohol with a picture and names
40 ASFlyer : I don't recall ever having seen pictures of the pilots that were removed from airplanes for drinking - at least not until well after the actual incid
41 Post contains links N6801 : It also got into the Danish news yesterday: http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article324983.ece. Sorry this comes sort of late - I was too beat to tackle the
42 AirframeAS : When the infamous HP pilots were removed for DUI in 2003 or 2004, the news showed both pilots sitting on a bench handcuffed behind their backs before
43 Post contains links IAirAllie : http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/video/138/index.html Lest there was any doubt this FA should not have been working.
44 LTBEWR : Having seen the video (click on the 'most viewed' tab for it) I have to wonder if she was also using illegal drugs, or perhaps using prescription drug
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