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FL Dropping MDW-BOS  
User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3003 posts, RR: 31
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

Effective 11/7, MDW-BOS is history, apparently joining MDW-DFW and MDW-EWR in the dustbin, three key routes in AirTran's push to build Midway. Remaining are 4x to MSP and 2x to CLT, plus some Florida and of course ATL. AirTran carried a good number of MSP-BOS passengers via Midway, so we'll see if they can replace those now that the BOS tag will be gone.

Along with MDW-BOS, there are a few other drops coming:

IND-LAX on 8/15
IND-SFO on 8/15
BWI-DFW on 9/5

LAS seems to be the flavor of the day for them, and we'll see how they do. But these latest drops continue to show AirTran difficulties sustaining service outside of ATL and Florida point-to-point flying. There are a few exceptions, but most of these were added 3-5 years ago.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5305 times:

Interesting. This leaves Boston, once again, with no non-stop service to Chicago Midway (DL ended service a few months ago; which was only started because of AirTran in the first place). So this leaves just Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Minneapolis, and Orlando year-round, and the seasonal flights to Fort Myers and Sarasota.

I wouldn't be surprised if Midway is reduced to just Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, and Sarasota.

[Edited 2007-08-07 05:00:52]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
I wouldn't be surprised if Midway is reduced to just Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, and Sarasota.

MSP seems to be doing well, having seen some increase in service. Having said that, I've heard anecdotal evidence, both here and elsewhere, that FL connects a fair number of MSP passengers over MDW to BOS, CLT, and Florida, so service cuts can't help the route.

I'm unclear on what FL's strategy is in Chicago. At one point, they had a nice focus city centered on business routes (and Florida, of course). That is essentially gone. Much of the business traffic to MSP is absorbed by the ORD shuttles run by UA, AA, and NW, so it might be argued that FL has ZERO business-centered routes remaining. They have to grow outside of ATL and Florida. I realize that MKE may be the answer, but if the merger doesn't go through, where does that leave them?



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

This little bit of pruning wouldn't have anything to do with the on-again-off-again-on-again Midwest merger, would it? At first glance, I'd guess 'no.' But companies planning to merge often get their houses in order before they do.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
This little bit of pruning wouldn't have anything to do with the on-again-off-again-on-again Midwest merger, would it? At first glance, I'd guess 'no.' But companies planning to merge often get their houses in order before they do.

I think this is just usual FL starting and stopping markets/routes.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):

IND-LAX on 8/15
IND-SFO on 8/15

I believe those are just seasonal drops and not permanent. For whatever reason FL treats those routes that way. They will likely be back in May or so. Is MDW-BOS possibly coming back in the spring?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 5):

I believe those are just seasonal drops and not permanent.

Eh...we'll see. The "seasons" for IND-LAX/SFO keep getting shorter and shorter and, honestly, if they can't make these routes work year-round, they shouldn't be flying them. These aren't summer vacation markets.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

NW does LAX year round with 1x service and goes 2x in the summer. They run SFO as seasonal. Its from the first week or so of June until late August. Its funny that NW only went seasonal on SFO when FL did.


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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3003 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

Hard to know for sure if IND-LAX and IND-SFO are coming back or not. They did in 2007, though for just a few months. Same with DFW-BWI and MDW-BOS, although MDW-DFW and MDW-EWR did not return.

I had to laugh at seeing NW pulling IND-SFO so early as well. Classic NW. Perhaps a thread is justified to discuss that too, but for NW I don't think the issue is "can they hold onto and succeed in new markets" but instead "to what lengths will NW go to thwart a competitor?". But that is indeed a different thread, I guess.


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3003 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
MSP seems to be doing well, having seen some increase in service. Having said that, I've heard anecdotal evidence, both here and elsewhere, that FL connects a fair number of MSP passengers over MDW to BOS, CLT, and Florida, so service cuts can't help the route.

MSP-MDW in particular isn't doing so hot. And the anecdotal evidence about lots of connects and thrus is accurate.

From T100's and DoT stats, here's how MSP-MDW-MSP was for 2006.

Onboard Loan Factor 53.88%

Average onboard per flight
63.0 total passengers per flight MSP-MDW,

29.9 were local MSP-MDW
11.1 were traveling MSP-MDW-BOS
22.0 were traveling MSP-MDW-other (DFW, RSW, SRQ, CLT, EWR, MCO, etc)

47.5% local traffic, 52.5% connecting traffic.


For 2007 there are not yet market stats, so we can't know traffic breakdown. But we do know onboard loads for the first four months of 2007:

42.6% January 2007
49.5% February 2007
57.7% March 2007
48.9% April 2007


User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3365 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):

Eh...we'll see. The "seasons" for IND-LAX/SFO keep getting shorter and shorter and, honestly, if they can't make these routes work year-round, they shouldn't be flying them. These aren't summer vacation markets.

In their defense, high fuel prices really hit LCC long-haul flying disproportionately. Their costs, relative to legacies, get higher*, but they can't extract a revenue premium like the big guys can. We've seen WN pull back long-hauls for the same reason. Short haul flying isn't as adversely affected, so LCC's are refocusing there.

* By this I mean that as fuel becomes a bigger part of their overall cost, the LCC cost advantage starts to dissipate. This is because they pay the same for fuel as everyone else. Their advantage primarily is driven by labor costs. As labor cost shrink as a percentage of all costs, the LCC cost advantage erodes.


User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 999 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Interesting. This leaves Boston, once again, with no non-stop service to Chicago Midway (DL ended service a few months ago; which was only started because of AirTran in the first place). So this leaves just Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Minneapolis, and Orlando year-round, and the seasonal flights to Fort Myers and Sarasota.

I wouldn't be surprised if Midway is reduced to just Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, and Sarasota

SRQ is daily year round, and double daily Nov-June and has some of the highest LF in and out of MDW



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User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Interesting. This leaves Boston, once again, with no non-stop service to Chicago Midway (DL ended service a few months ago; which was only started because of AirTran in the first place). So this leaves just Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Minneapolis, and Orlando year-round, and the seasonal flights to Fort Myers and Sarasota.

I thought there was only 365 days in the year?
I guess when FL flies to SRQ on all of them that constitutes seasonal service? Check your facts before making schedule statements and ensure you know what you are talking about.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3003 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 10):
In their defense, high fuel prices really hit LCC long-haul flying disproportionately. Their costs, relative to legacies, get higher*, but they can't extract a revenue premium like the big guys can. We've seen WN pull back long-hauls for the same reason. Short haul flying isn't as adversely affected, so LCC's are refocusing there.

That isn't what AirTran is generally doing, however. Most of AirTran's growth recently has been long haul, including all the new Vegas markets. San Diego and Seattle long hauls are also new, and AirTran specifically cited increased long-haul flying as a reason why revenue per seat mile is down. I find it interesting that a reason given for pulling LAS-FNT and LAS-CAK last time around was the high cost of fuel. Well, fuel prices were back up to similar levels when they announced the renewed emphasis on Las Vegas. Not exactly sure what made it different this time around, but they are back.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4718 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 13):
I find it interesting that a reason given for pulling LAS-FNT and LAS-CAK last time around was the high cost of fuel. Well, fuel prices were back up to similar levels when they announced the renewed emphasis on Las Vegas.

well while they arent redeyes, seems for the most part one leg is either early or late for their LAS routes meaning they are getting increased utilization. A midday flight to LAS would make alot more money flying short hops with the high fuel prices than spending the day to/from LAS. I believe the LAS-IND leg arrives at 1:40 am. Good luck getting someone to pick you up from that flight...



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User currently offlineATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
These aren't summer vacation markets.

You made me laugh at loud!  rotfl  These most certainly are vacation markets. For Hoosiers, the great state of California is a huge draw during the summer months, especially SFO and LAX, and even SAN. If you look at the history of these routes you will see that they were both at one time year-round non-stops on TZ and WN had service to LAX.



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1940 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 13):
I find it interesting that a reason given for pulling LAS-FNT and LAS-CAK last time around was the high cost of fuel. Well, fuel prices were back up to similar levels when they announced the renewed emphasis on Las Vegas. Not exactly sure what made it different this time around, but they are back.

Alleginat Air is the reason, Alleginat is stepping on their toes in certain markets and taking away passsngers. I think its good that Air Tran is opening all these new cities to fly out to Vegas at least...In the case of Moline to Las Vegas the tried it and quit in 2 months back in 2004, my guess is because they didnt have the lift (although the flightser were red-eyes that competed with daytime flights with Allgiant down the road in Peoria), now they apparently do....
I think the secret to Alleginats success is that they dont fly every day to Vegas...The rtravel on the days that the flying public has the tendancy to want to fly. Air Tran is copying this tactic and in the case of Moline I am hoping that it will work and they stick with it for longer than a few months this time.....

Access-Air



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

I was looking at some T100 data from 2006. FL is a spill carrier outside ATL and Florida. They had 80% plus load factors on their routes out of MDW in July/Aug 2006, only to see those markets drop to 40-50% loads by fall. They really seem to struggle on some of their pts to pts...they have too many planes and it is easy to see why they so badly want YX and MKE...they need somewhere to put excess planes....I'd guess FL is sincere when they say theyll grow MKE and MCI...they have no choice.

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
This leaves Boston, once again, with no non-stop service to Chicago Midway

Any chance we could see TZ return to BOS and fly this route (since code-share partner WN doesn't actually serve Logan)? After all, FL picked up the route shortly after TZ pulled out of BOS.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3003 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

A key thing people sometimes forget about Allegiant is that they earn very significant revenue beyond the ticket price. In the recent news released about increased 2nd quarter earnings:

"This was driven primarily by our ancillary revenue component, which increased by over $6, year-over-year, to almost $21 per passenger."

Allegiant Reports 2nd Quarter Profit. (by Laxintl Aug 7 2007 in Civil Aviation)

That extra $21 per passenger is a challenge for other airlines to match...income from side services, travel packages, things sold onboard, etc. It's how Skybus is hoping to make money, too.


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3003 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

Here are some stats about IND-LAX and IND-SFO related to seasonality and FL's place in the market. These stats are for the four quarters of 2007:

IND-SFO total passengers (both ways together)
Q1 249.44
Q2 352.41
Q3 399.56
Q4 366.63


IND-LAX total passengers (both ways together)
Q1 578.22
Q2 765.38
Q3 867.28
Q3 822.28

Some definite seasonal variation, although outside of Q1 it is not as variable as one might think for a seasonal market. There is definitely a solid year-round traffic aspect.

The IND-LAX market has a little more detail in the T100 airline share stats, and I think that detail is somewhat telling.

Passengers per day by quarter on IND-LAX, along with one-way average fare
Q1
NW 253 / $157.40 (nonstop)
WN 118 / $154.97 (1-stop)
FL too small for inclusion (no nonstop, few conx)

Q2
NW 317 / $186.29 (nonstop)
WN 105 / $181.93 (1-stop
FL 139 / $128.36 (nonstop)

Q3
NW 399 / $163.87 (nonstop)
WN 88 / $171.87 (1-stop)
FL 253 / $145.30 (nonstop)

Q4
NW 427 / $162.34 (nonstop)
WN 87 / $160.96 (1-stop)
FL 146 / $121.98 (nonstop

Passengers IND-LAX (both ways) on all airlines *excluding AirTran's traffic*
Q1 578
Q2 626
Q3 615
Q4 677

From these numbers is appears that:

(a) NW has what one would consider the traditional nonstop carrier premium...fares generally a notch higher than other carriers, and a majority of passengers.

(b) WN has a solid, consistant piece of the market in spite of no nonstop service, one with a relatively stable and strong fare. They are not lowball pricing to get this roughly 100 pax per day.

(c) FL's market share seems to have come largely from undercutting fares -- about 20% lower than NW on average. That inspite of having a competitive nonstop schedule.

and finally

(d) When one subtracts out AirTran's traffic, the size of IND-LAX was relatively stable for the four quarters. That suggests to me that, in general, AirTran has been relegated to primarily serving the low-end leisure bubble. I doubt that was their intent when these markets were originally rolled out as year-round. NW and other airlines have a hold on the bulk of the steady year-round traffic demand, business and leisure.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 20):
That suggests to me that, in general, AirTran has been relegated to primarily serving the low-end leisure bubble

That's true in almost all non-ATL markets they serve and also wa strue when F9 ventured out of DEN a few years ago.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Is it possible that FL may have a LAS tour operation or vacation club of some type filling a portion of these new LAS flights. The revenue would be more guaranteed in that type of scenario. I know that the Gulf Port flights had some type of casino subsidy in the past.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 20):
I doubt that was their intent when these markets were originally rolled out as year-round. NW and other airlines have a hold on the bulk of the steady year-round traffic demand, business and leisure.

This should really tell people that price alone isn't everything. It is hard to compete against a good ff and elite program especially when the air fares are reasonable. For a $20 difference you'll probably take those extra miles and segments. This is something that FL should pay close attention to when looking at YX. Those value added services help maintain loyalty. But also important is to be on time. For me that is an issue that left a bad taste in my mouth when FL first started to serve IND. It seemed everything came and went late out of here. It was really bad. That just doesn't encourage business travelers to use you especially when your biggest competitor is doing very well.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 9):
22.0 were traveling MSP-MDW-other (DFW, RSW, SRQ, CLT, EWR, MCO, etc)

Also anecdotally (and I realize we don't have the numbers to back this up), I've heard MSP-CLT traffic is very strong, perhaps accounting for nearly 50% of those 22 passengers.



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25 Indy : BTW I think FL has dropped IND-MIA/PBI. It isn't around right now and I can't find evidence of it in the FL schedule through early March 2008.
26 MAH4546 : MIA IND is not bookable yet but will start in January.
27 DCA-ROCguy : Much of the business traffic to MSP is absorbed by the ORD shuttles run by UA, AA, and NW, so it might be argued that FL has ZERO business-centered ro
28 Cubsrule : Sorry, I was a touch unclear. I meant zero business routes ex-MDW.
29 COERJ145 : I'd like to see it, but if Airtran couldn't make it work with 105 seat 717s(TZ used 175 seat 738s), I doubt ATA could make it work with their 733s. H
30 VS11 : Now United will probably raise its fares between ORD-BOS. When I traveled to ORD in May, United had absolutely identical to AirTran's fares.
31 Cubsrule : I'm not so sure. FL often offers the same fares as UA, US, and AA to CLT, but the ORD-CLT fares have stayed roughly the same since before FL entered
32 Boeing743 : Also, FL start the new routes out of IND to LAS. FL and NW flights are seasonal same with NW to SEA. Many people do not travle there during year but t
33 Jetlanta : Truer words were never spoken. AirTran is a very well-managed carrier, but they simply haven't been able to become a "carrier of choice". Now that th
34 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : Truer words were never spoken. AirTran is a very well-managed carrier, but they simply haven't been able to become a "carrier of choice". Now that the
35 EXAAUADL : How about EASTERN
36 Indy : Which routes are you talking about? 1x daily to LAX with NW at IND is year round. The 2nd is seasonal. The SFO flight is seasonal. The LAS flight for
37 FlyPNS1 : I'll agree with this statement, though I think we are holding Airtran to a pretty high standard. How many LCC's have successfully diversified away fr
38 Cubsrule : The problem for FL is that future growth has to be somewhere besides ATL because ATL is maxed out in terms of gate space (at least in the short term)
39 FlyPNS1 : And you won't get local travelers in a competitive market like Chicago if you can't offer them a portfolio of routes. Why fly FL on a smattering of b
40 DCA-ROCguy : Most likely it would have been. The extra gates would have given FL a chance to build critical mass, but it certainly would have been a brutal slugfes
41 Post contains images SANFan : I also see that all SEA service is completely gone by 11/7; can you enlighten me, Knope'? Will SEA be back (the same question applies to IND to LA an
42 Knope2001 : Seattle was announced as seasonal and operated that way last year too. With SAN apparently staying year-round, i thought perhaps AirTran was turning o
43 Post contains images CitrusCritter : I think their lack of identity is the single biggest problem they have. I grew up in ATL flying often with my Dad on DL and J7. I always hated DL bec
44 Access-Air : Not only business passengers but leisure passengers too need to have consistancy....If you are re-working your schedule over completely and adding an
45 Cubsrule : FL has 4 gates (and used a city gate sometimes in addition). Perhaps the problem was that they insisted on filling those gates with low-yielding Flor
46 TZTriStar500 : I have to ask the question here that was posed on another thread; Why are you all so hard on FL when the airline is profitable and successful where co
47 Cubsrule : Yes and no. Brand loyalty is worth something (it has to be, because at some point the successful carrier MUST demand some sort of revenue premium), a
48 TZTriStar500 : I disagree to a point. For the LCCs and even many legacies, brand loyalty is becoming less and less a factor over price unless your a gold/platinum F
49 Indy : Price may be a factor but it isn't everything. I think if prices are in the ballpark that people will go with the familiar airline. If your airline ge
50 DCA-ROCguy : 6x MSP 6x LGA 3x BOS 3x DCA 3x LAX 2x SFO 2x SEA 2x DEN 4x STL 2x PHL 2x DFW This looks like a reasonable schedule to me. With a core of flights to th
51 B752OS : The only press the BOS-ROC flight got was a little blip in the Boston Globe business section. I wonder if this will open the door for B6 to add some
52 FlyPNS1 : While this would be a nice schedule, FL would likely have to take massive losses for years in order to have a chance to make it work. And in the gran
53 Cubsrule : If that's really what they want, why did they go ahead with the half-ass MDW expansion? If they had seriously committed to and built MDW, they could
54 TSRA : Hey Knope2001, do you have a link/links to T100s and DoT stats. As my girlfriend would say, I am an airline numbers nerd. Thanks
55 Post contains links Knope2001 : Here's a link to a posting I did awhile back on how to access & use 'em. That post has a link to the T100's themselves. Have fun! Using T-100 Onboard
56 Access-Air : I happen to agree with you 100%.....new planes are great but only if you can buy them outright....Leasing planes are what puts these airlines in seri
57 OB1504 : I'd throw YX in there, too. And then there are carriers like Spirit and Skybus whose "distinct brands" are the lowest fares on nearly every route the
58 Access-Air : I love the e-mails I get at work at the travel agency about Spirit Airlines and their Red Light slaes.....Makes one think of, well you all know.... Ye
59 Cubsrule : I'm not so sure. TZ had a number of weaknesses, only one of which was the fact that they were paying through the nose to lease a host of new aircraft
60 TSRA : Thank you!
61 Cubsrule : The plot thickens... FL has begun advertising like crazy on the radio here in Chicago. I've heard at least one ad each of the last 3 days. This puzzle
62 Knope2001 : I don't know for sure, but I suspect you'd hear a lot of AirTran ads in many of their cities -- not just Chicago. And that's because September is par
63 CitrusCritter : At the end of July, I saw several TV ads while in GSP...advertising ATL and CLT for those in GSP area.
64 DCA-ROCguy : Atlanta seems to be the place where AirTran should have the most business traveler strength, and local-originating business traffic favors early-morni
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