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Cathay Buys Five 773ER  
User currently offlineUALMMFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12389 times:

Cathy buys five 7773ER

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKHKG8564020070807?rpc=44

[Edited 2007-08-07 12:01:18]


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12339 times:

Great news for boeing and cathay. How many total 77W's have they ordered now? When are the first coming?

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineAA7295 From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12293 times:

They now have a total of 22 on order and currently have zero delivered.

With this in mind do we still think that CX will purchase the 748/380?

Regards,
AA7295


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12195 times:

I think the first one is due around October this year and from what I have heard JFK will be the first route.

User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12181 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):
Great news for boeing and cathay. How many total 77W's have they ordered now?

Wow. This news must make Zeke very unhappy.  duck 


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12150 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 3):
I think the first one is due around October

I believe the first frame is out of the final assembly line at Everett, if not it should be the next one to roll out. That means that it could be ready for delivery in five or six weeks.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12564 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12061 times:

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 2):
With this in mind do we still think that CX will purchase the 748/380?

The first thing I thought of when reading this news was that we won't be seeing 748 in Cathay's fleet now.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11887 times:

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 2):
With this in mind do we still think that CX will purchase the 748/380?

Yes, but they wont order for about two years IMO.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 4):
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):
Great news for boeing and cathay. How many total 77W's have they ordered now?

Wow. This news must make Zeke very unhappy.

Why? The only airbus competitor that can be delivered in the required time frame is the A340-600 and with so many 777-300ER on order, an order for 5 A340's would make no sense.


User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11784 times:

Nice little order.
Wonder if it was previously a UFO on Boeing's site. If not, gettting ever closer 1000 Triples ordered!  Smile


raggi



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User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11767 times:

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 2):
They now have a total of 22 on order and currently have zero delivered.

Looks like it's 23 total, according to their own press release:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_...5f9af34110VgnVCM10000010d21c39____



raggi



Stick & Rudder
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11700 times:

I think CX will order either the B 747-8 or the A 380 eventually, most likely the B 747-8.

The B 777-300ERs are for expansion and for A 340 replacement, not as a B 747-400 replacement.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11581 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 4):
Wow. This news must make Zeke very unhappy.

Why ?

Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
The B 777-300ERs are for expansion and for A 340 replacement, not as a B 747-400 replacement.

You will see them replacing some 744 services, and the 744 redeployed, same with the 340.



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11490 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
I think CX will order either the B 747-8 or the A 380 eventually, most likely the B 747-8.

It's unlikely to happen in the next 5 years.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
The B 777-300ERs are for expansion and for A 340 replacement, not as a B 747-400 replacement.

That would be a simplistic view and somewhat incorrect.

The only aircraft confirmed to be removed are the 3 A346s and the 7 B742Fs, making a total of 10. The press release indicates 180 aircraft by 2011. There are 152 group-wise as at today. That makes 38 additions. Announced are 35 additional aircraft to join the fleet (23 B773ERs, 6 B744ERFs, 2 B744BCFs, 4 A333s). They have always stated 43 despite only 35 have so far been accounted for. So we can expect another order soon.

Their plan is to have all pacific services on B773ERs eventually. They fly 11 dailies currently (W07) (1 CYYZ, 2 CYVRs, 1 CYVR/KJFK, 2 KJFKs, 3 KLAXs, 2 KSFOs) requiring at least 23 aircraft. With the (imminent) possible launch of KJFK-EGLL, KORD and more CYYZs, and possible B773ERs on European rotations, the requirement will only go up.

The current order is possibly to do with the decision to retire the B742Fs early, requiring more B744s to be converted to fill the "void".

My predictions? Watch out for yet more B773ERs, more B744BCF conversions and the A343s are going nowhere in the foreseeable future.

[Edited 2007-08-07 14:29:38]


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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11375 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 4):
Wow. This news must make Zeke very unhappy.

Hey I worked it out.....

Quoting UALMMFlyer (Thread starter):
Cathy buys five 7773ER

Should be, Cathay, but hey, that does not upset me, not as bad as a QUANTAS  Smile



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11184 times:

Sh... I hope they order 748Is or A380s soon. I don´t like one of my favourite airlines operating my least favorite airplane.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11154 times:

From what I heard, ALL of CX's B 747-400s will stay until they reach the age of 25 at least and they are not converting any of the current B 747-400s to freighters.

I doubt ALL pacific services will go B 777-300ERs. We will still see a large number of B 747-400 and A 340-300 flights.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Hope they will get the B 747-8 or A 380 soon


User currently offlineTKV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11026 times:

Quoting Raggi (Reply 8):
Nice little order.
Wonder if it was previously a UFO on Boeing's site. If not, gettting ever closer 1000 Triples ordered!

This seems a new order, as the Reuters article says "A company spokeswoman confirmed on Tuesday the orders were new."

Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
think CX will order either the B 747-8 or the A 380 eventually, most likely the B 747-8.

The B 777-300ERs are for expansion and for A 340 replacement, not as a B 747-400 replacement.



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 12):
That would be a simplistic view and somewhat incorrect.

The only aircraft confirmed to be removed are the 3 A346s and the 7 B742Fs, making a total of 10. The press release indicates 180 aircraft by 2011. There are 152 group-wise as at today

The CATHAY press release says that they have presently 87 PASSENGER aircrafts (24 Boeing 747-400s, 15 Airbus A340-300s, 3 Airbus A340-600s, 17 Boeing 777-200/300s and 28 Airbus A330-300s). New order are 23 B777-300ER and 4 A333. This seems (even if not demonstrates) that the B773ER are not foreseen to substitute at least all the B744. To assess when additional aircrafts, of them eventually a good No. of VLA, would be ordered. To estimate when, it would be useful to know how old are the B744 (Pax)

TKV


User currently offlineJakob77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10647 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 16):
I doubt ALL pacific services will go B 777-300ERs. We will still see a large number of B 747-400 and A 340-300 flights.

773ERs are meant to replace all 744s on transpacific routes as they can go westbound non-stop with better payload then the 744s in the winter months... saving $$ from fuel stops and changing crews.


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10390 times:

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 2):
They now have a total of 22 on order and currently have zero delivered.

Incorrect:

12 from Boeing direct Dec, 05'
4 from ILFC Dec. 05'
2 options filled via Boeing June 06'
5 from Boeing direct Aug. 07'

Total firm orders is now (23). First one delivered in Sept. this year.

Good news for CX and Boeing and the 77W program.

Cathay Pacific places order for five additional Boeing 777-300ERs



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User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10361 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 12):
The only aircraft confirmed to be removed are the 3 A346s

Why Cathay getting rid of the A346? they are still reletively young aircraft?
And why do they only have 3 frames?



What?
User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10271 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 16):
they are not converting any of the current B 747-400s to freighters.

If your fleet planning and forecast goes as far as next year then you may well be correct (or otherwise). But it was silly to make that claim when you suggested the B744s are to stay until they are 25, which itself is another unsubstantiated statement.

Quoting TKV (Reply 17):
The CATHAY press release says that they have presently 87 PASSENGER aircrafts (24 Boeing 747-400s, 15 Airbus A340-300s, 3 Airbus A340-600s, 17 Boeing 777-200/300s and 28 Airbus A330-300s). New order are 23 B777-300ER and 4 A333. This seems (even if not demonstrates) that the B773ER are not foreseen to substitute at least all the B744. To assess when additional aircrafts, of them eventually a good No. of VLA, would be ordered. To estimate when, it would be useful to know how old are the B744 (Pax)



Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
The B 777-300ERs are for expansion and for A 340 replacement

With Cathay, nothing needs to be replaced imminently apart from the B742Fs - even the A346s have their own unique role in the fleet. Existing aircraft getting bumped off the pacific routes will simply go onto other routes.

So to suggest the B773ERs are to replace the A340s (A346s leaving is a well known fact so I assume the A343s are implied here) is unsubstantiated. Apologies if you meant the A346s.

As for the VLAs we'll have to wait and see.

Lastly, aircraft, not aircrafts.



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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10271 times:

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 20):
Why Cathay getting rid of the A346? they are still reletively young aircraft?

I wondering the same thing. I know they were unhappy with it at first, but they are very young aircraft and I thought I remember seeing that Airbus had worked out the kinks with CX's later delivered 346. They should keep these and redeploy them on other routes. Just my  twocents 



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9714 times:

As far as I know the leases are up next year and they are going. It's a small subfleet and the 10 B773ERs being delivered this year and next can do the same job just as well if not better.

2 of them are the heavy early builds and 1 is a proper non HGW product.

That's the last I heard. Plans are changing all the time. There have been rumours that Cathay is to pick up more A346s - but they have so far remained rumours.

[Edited 2007-08-07 17:29:10]


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User currently offlineTKV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9578 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 22):
I wondering the same thing. I know they were unhappy with it at first, but they are very young aircraft and I thought I remember seeing that Airbus had worked out the kinks with CX's later delivered 346
They have only 3 (?) A346 (one of them improved regarding the initial 2 ?), but 15 A343.

Is the B772ER not more adequate to substitute a A343, instead the B773ER ??.

TKV

[Edited 2007-08-07 17:43:10]

User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9480 times:

Cool  Smile
Does anyone what configuration those 773ER's will have divided in first, business and eco?

//Alex



I don't fly to live, I live to fly...
25 AA777223 : I have never really understood why Cathay flies the A343 beside the 772ER, and the A346 beside the 773ER? I realize in this thread that they were init
26 Post contains images Norcal773 : I am guessing they did not consult with Zeke on this one. Good for them, the 77W has proven to be a hell of a plane.
27 Cloudyapple : Cathay has no B772ER at the moment. I doubt you will see the B772ER sell to a new customer, given the competition on the horizon. B789s are slightly
28 DptMAN : Will this mean aircraft are freed up to run a MAN service? dptMAN
29 Cloudyapple : This is the second follow on order from Cathay - this has come before they receive their first B773ER in September. Half year results tomorrow. First
30 Cloudyapple : Nothing to do with aircraft. Moscow is refusing the 5th freedom rights. So until it's resolved, no pax flights to Manchester.
31 Robbie86 : Any idea of new routes they will be used on?
32 United Airline : Did I say aircrafts? If yes then sorry it was a typo. It's aircraft of course. Anyway the B747-400 will remain in CX's fleet/pacific operations for a
33 Post contains links SunriseValley : There have been a number of recent threads that you have apparently missed that cast some light on the issue. One was Longest 77W Route (by EA772LR J
34 Cloudyapple : 5 B773ERs by end 2007 - Second daily KJFK 840/841 to start with. Then the first KJFK 830/831. A346s move to CYYZ by year end. Then CYYZ 828/829 when
35 Norcal773 : 5th freedom or Russia Airspace rights? Oasis HK did it without overflying Russia so CX could too although it adds an hour to the travel thus not very
36 Post contains links SunriseValley : F6 C57 Y238 according to a link in CX To Start 3rd Daily JFK / +1 Weekly PER (by YLWbased Jul 30 2007 in Civil Aviation)
37 Cloudyapple : 5th freedom. Manchester is supposed to be a 1 stopper via Moscow with 5th freedom between Manchester and Moscow. Cathay has been flying Hong Kong Eur
38 Cloudyapple : As I wrote before - 6/58/239. Numbers in that thread are incorrect. F - 2 rows of 3 (1-2, ADK) C - 14 rows of 4 (11-12, 15-26, ADGK) C - 1 row of 2 (
39 Norcal773 : Thanks for the clarification.
40 KrisYYZ : It will be great to see some more A346s at YYZ, currently only LH flies the long bird on a seasonal basis to Toronto. On the other hand, the B773 wil
41 Legacyins : CX is starting their second SFO flight with a 744.
42 Evolv : I'd expect YYC to be a new route for CX in the not to distant future. Apparently they have been recruiting in the Calgary area.
43 Post contains images Norcal773 : Why Thai?? Tehre was a rumor about them dumping the A354 to SAA but evidently it was just that, a rumor. I believe I've read here that SFO will be on
44 Post contains links DEVILFISH : The A345s are still fairly young to be converted into freighters. SQ are thinking of using theirs in an all-premium configuration to LAX and EWR.....
45 TKV : In the Boeing unfilled order list There is no UFO order for 5 B773ER listed in 2007, which seem to re-comfirm it is a new order (Nor the 4 B773ER for
46 Robbie86 : I wonder if CX will start any route to CPH or ARN as SK is very interested to start one to HKG...
47 JAL : Wow! This news certainly came out of nowhere!
48 TKV : The B789 can only be considered it they can wait until 2013-4 !! As you say that the A343 will not be substituted by the B773ER, and also that Cathay
49 Post contains links DEVILFISH : The order for the first two is dated 12 Mar 07. The option exercised for the other two is already reflected on the 31 Jul Orders and Deliveries sprea
50 TKV : You are right !! I was looking under UFOs and did not realize that it was already disclosed Thanks for the clarification TKV
51 TKV : I have reviewed again this issue and found the reason of my mistake, I should have written in Reply 46 "(Nor the 4 B773ER for NZ appear)", instead "P
52 Post contains images Jacobin777 : You usually are wrong on most things, but lets hope you are correct on this one.. Of course, there is nothing wrong with seeing one of these types of
53 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : Touche! I thought the 2nd daily HKG_SFO will be with a 744... Do they fly the 74J into SFO with the 12/65/268 seating?
54 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : ..that's what I thought also... ..while I don't know the answer, this might help.. http://cathaytalk.com/
55 Legacyins : The 2nd SFO flight will be a 744. Departure Hong Kong(HKG) to San Francisco(SFO) Flight Departure (local time) Arrival (local time) Stops Duration (ho
56 Cloudyapple : I was saying other carriers prefer B789s to getting any more B772ERs. I have never suggested Cathay was looking at B789s. Answers are in my posts abo
57 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : WOW... really? We had not figured that one out...
58 Legacyins : Look at question # 35. I was just answeing it. figure that out...
59 United Airline : CX will probably order the B 747-8 and the 787 in 2013-2014. Not now. These orders are not for replacement
60 TKV : It is difficult for me to accept that the 23 B773ER ordered will substitute only the 3 A346 and the other 20 are all for expansion. It is true that C
61 Post contains images Norcal773 : I am wrong on most things but not the fact that Jacobin777's camera sucks. The evidence is his picture insert above like he does on every thread.
62 Cloudyapple : Did you know Cathay is growing at 13% year on year in terms of RPK? 5 B773ERs a year for the next 5 years is not a lot.
63 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I keep telling you that your are just jealous and your point-n-**** camera can't come even remotely close to that photo I've taken.. Like some other
64 TKV : Your point is taken. And if the growth slows they always can begin to substitute B747 or A343, even it it is not the intention now ! TKV
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