FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14 Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4734 times:
Just looking thru some old AA photos & came across the BAC-400...which is what AA called them back in the day.
So now I'm wondering, are there any BAC-111 still flying? Personally I have seen the "Pocket Rocket" in real time, but unfortunately, I have never flown in one. How's the cabin space compare to a DC-9? Is the fuselage wider than a DC-9? How many of each series were assembled?
Any & all info on this great little aircraft appreciated. Regards.
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I personally have flown on the 200 series and the 500 series and they are essentially the same cross section as a DC9 or a Fokker 70/100 Prolly some place in between the two...
The BAC was a heavy and well built aircraft. Had it not been for the RR Spey Turbofan engines and their limited thrust potential (until the Tay came along) the BAC might have been built longer than it had been.
I believe that Dee-Howard tried and offered a Tay conversion of the BAC but not enuff takers showed interest and most of the larger 500 series made their way back to Hurn airport in Bournemouth only to be scrapped or refurbished and sent to Africa to either die in accidents or left to rot away...many former USAir BAC series 200s are rotting away in Nigeria as well....
The most frequently still used version to date is the 400 series, in corporate roles as it has been successfully been hush-kitted to meet stage 3 noise levels.....Something that the 500 series could not acheive because of possible weight and power restrictions....again with the Speys....
One of the best things about the BAC was the engine startup....If you contact me thru my e-mail in my profile Id be happy to send you a start wav file of G-AZMF I made at Bounemouth Hurn on 16 March 2002.....Awesome sound!!!!!!!!!
Aussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4541 times:
There was a photo in one of the recent editions of Airliner World (I think) which showed a BAC111 that had been brought in on lease to operate some RPT services - but I can't for the life of me remember exactly where and for who...
Eirik From Norway, joined Mar 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4079 times:
According to Amadeus at least DME-DMB is a 1-11, I might give it a try while in Russia in September I was hoping for a flight out of St.Petersburg but that seems to be a Yak-42..
Any updated info welcomed.
Qantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4027 times:
I remember flying from LHR-CDG years ago on one, we couldn't see out the window the fog was so thick in London and then the same again on landing. Being from Australia where fog grounds everything, I was amazed at how good its capabilities were. Actually it might have been out of LGW. I guess any still around would be very high in hours.
Starglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 689 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3753 times:
Something always made me wonder about the BAC 1-11 engine noise, perhaps someone knows the answer to this or has noticed it under similar conditions:
I live near one of the SIDs at AMS (about 8 miles from the airport). Every time a 1-11 (usually BA) used to climb out, approaching on a course that took it almost directly over my house, it always sounded like something in the engines was spooling up separate from the already loud engine noise which had its own constant pitch in sound. Like if a third engine was spooling up in flight. Obviously that was not the case since the 1-11 is a twin and both were "turning and burning." Was it acoustic reflection between the aircraft and the ground / buildings, some weird airflow (airframe noise) or was it something else? It was nothing like the normal Doppler effect of an approaching aircraft at climb power because it was only evident on the 1-11 and was not heard on other contemporary aircraft types such as the Caravelle or the Trident. The sound, increasing in pitch, had disappeared before the aircraft passed over my house. Any ideas?
I have had the pleasure of flying in a 1-11 twice (between Nassau and Miami) but that sound was not noticeable inside the cabin.
Dc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3676 times:
I never noticed that sound Starglider. I used to have Atlantic Gulf 1-11s fly over my house daily in '85-86. Their altitude must've been around 1500 feet over my house. Apart from the Spey's crackle and roar I never heard any "spool up" sound. However the Atlantic Gulf 1-11s were 200 series. Maybe your 1-11 experience involved 500s.
Starglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 689 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3634 times:
Quoting Dc863 (Reply 11): Maybe your 1-11 experience involved 500s
Yes, they were -500s at an estimated altitude of approx. 3000 ft. and climbing. Closest this sound could be compared to was somewhat like a DC-8-60 series' JT3D-7 engine being started from some distance away, a low howling noise slowly increasing into a higher pitch tone, disappearing into the other engine noise as the aircraft passed over the house.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11943 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3600 times:
Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 7): If this is up-to-date, I think I might just have to go. I've been very regretful for the last couple of years that I did not join one of the European Aircharter farewell flights on the BAC 1-11.
Likewise - the BAC 1-11 has been an aircraft I've wanted to fly for a long long time. I'm aiming a budget trip to Iran for the Autumn - a combination of Easyjet to IST and then the sleeper train from there across Turkey to THR should get me there for about £100, then I was aiming to come back on airmiles with KLM/AF. Well, if I can get from Iran to Kazakhstan cheaply then I think I might also have a shot at the 1-11 and then I can fly back from Almaty with KLM on my miles!
Just have to speak to my tutors... wonder if this can be passed off as a 'study' trip across the continent...
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