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AA Adding Second Nonstop CMH-MIA  
User currently offlineMiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 504 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Effective 05NOV

CMH - MIA gets a second daily nonstop.

4641 dept CMH 1015a arrv MIA 1255p
4642 dept MIA 125p arrv CMH 405p

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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Judging by the flight numbers, these are American Eagle flights. According to FlightAware. the current flight is operated by an Embraer ERJ-135.

Will the new service use an ER3 as well? Will the existing service receive an equipment upgrade?


User currently offlineMiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Well I think they may have pulled the flight already. It was loaded on Sunday and now the new flight has been zeroed out on all dates after 05NOV. Don't know whats up with this flight now.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

Quoting MiAAmi (Reply 2):
Well I think they may have pulled the flight already. It was loaded on Sunday and now the new flight has been zeroed out on all dates after 05NOV. Don't know whats up with this flight now.

No, they have not pulled it, but it wasn't supposed to be loaded this past weekend. Bangor service ends 05Nov07, which is freeing up ERJs for this flight and some others. MIA-CVG will also be seeing additional service. 05Nov07 is also when MIA becomes a full pledged ERJ-140 overnight maintenance base, replacing Bangor.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 1):
Judging by the flight numbers, these are American Eagle flights. According to FlightAware. the current flight is operated by an Embraer ERJ-135.

All ERJ service to Miami on American Eagle is operated with ERJ-140s with the exception of one flight to Cleveland.



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User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
05Nov07 is also when MIA becomes a full pledged ERJ-140 overnight maintenance base, replacing Bangor.

Not True. All the overnight MTX from BGR is moving to XNA. MIA has along way to go before they can become an overnight MTX base. For example there has been an ERJ sitting there since Sunday.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 4):

Not True. All the overnight MTX from BGR is moving to XNA. MIA has along way to go before they can become an overnight MTX base. For example there has been an ERJ sitting there since Sunday.

Interesting. What changed? Because two weeks ago, MIA was becoming an overnight ERJ-140 base this winter. In fact, they've already started stocking it for overnight maintenance from what I've been told.



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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3573 times:
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Is PIT still only at 1 daily out of MIA? Any chance of another frequency? I had 4 family members on that flight recently and they said it was oversold. Not sure how yields are though.

I'm still waiting for AE to start service to CAK. Anyone think that will ever happen?


User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Interesting. What changed? Because two weeks ago, MIA was becoming an overnight ERJ-140 base this winter. In fact, they've already started stocking it for overnight maintenance from what I've been told.

MQ is in the process of acquiring more HGR space at XNA. MIA will continue to do overnight MTX but will not do phases. Logistically MIA is a nightmare do the fact that the ATR flying and jet flying are on two different certificates and technically the parts can't be kept together in the same location.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 6):
Is PIT still only at 1 daily out of MIA? Any chance of another frequency? I had 4 family members on that flight recently and they said it was oversold. Not sure how yields are though.

PIT would be 2-3x daily if AA had the planes. They don't.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7341 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 6):
I'm still waiting for AE to start service to CAK. Anyone think that will ever happen?

Not anytime soon, with no slots to grow at ORD and no additional ERJ's either.

There are a number of smaller markets in the Northeast / Mid-Atlantic / Ohio Valley that AA does not serve (or has/will drop). Partially due to their hub locations & route network, partially due to their aircraft constraints, and partially due to their slot constraints at ORD.

Other cities include:
ABE
AVP
CRW
CAK
ROA
SWF (soon to be dropped)
ERI
BGM
ELM
PWM
BTV
MHT
SCE


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3405 times:

I know the folks over at AA will be happy about this, assuming it does indeed end up going through. The current ERD to MIA is frequently either oversold or weight-restricted. The traffic is there, especially during the winter, for a mainline jet to MIA, but the yields must be quite poor. It'd be great to see some CR7s flowing through MIA, but with only 25 of them in the entire system, the aircraft just simply are not there. Either way, it will be good to get a little more capacity in the market.

User currently offlineMiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3397 times:

CMH is also a MQ maint base. Im sure thats why CMH sees so many MQ flights to the large AA/MQ stations (ORD, DFW, BOS, LGA, RDU, MIA and STL). I sure hope the 2nd daily nonstop is a go. The times are great for commuting.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3356 times:

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 10):
The traffic is there, especially during the winter, for a mainline jet to MIA, but the yields must be quite poor.

AA's yields on MIA-CMH are quite good actually. AA's average fare on MIA-CMH is $364.88 round-trip. Though part of the reason they can command that is, obviously, that they limit capacity.



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User currently offlineDoug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

The MIA-DAY flight must not have performed to well it would be nice to see it comeback maybe once more rj's are freed up.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

Quoting Doug (Reply 14):
The MIA-DAY flight must not have performed to well it would be nice to see it comeback maybe once more rj's are freed up.

It did okay, it actually performed better than MIA-MEM which is still flying. It might come back when more RJs are freed up, but BHM is probably the next new route.



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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 10):
It'd be great to see some CR7s flowing through MIA, but with only 25 of them in the entire system, the aircraft just simply are not there. Either way, it will be good to get a little more capacity in the market.

MIA is not Ops trained for the CR7...

Quoting MiAAmi (Reply 11):
CMH is also a MQ maint base. Im sure thats why CMH sees so many MQ flights to the large AA/MQ stations (ORD, DFW, BOS, LGA, RDU, MIA and STL). I sure hope the 2nd daily nonstop is a go. The times are great for commuting.

MQ has a large MX base there... Also all the MIA MQ planes are out of the ORD base...



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 16):
MIA is not Ops trained for the CR7...

Doesn't MQ prefer to keep the CR7s to the north and west, anyway?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 17):
Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 16):
MIA is not Ops trained for the CR7...

Doesn't MQ prefer to keep the CR7s to the north and west, anyway?

Well, it isn't that they perfer, but they only have 25 of them. If they had more, they would love to send them to Miami. Perfect sized plane for MIA-CMH/CLE/CVG/PIT, and it would allow them to economically fly routes like MIA-BUF/YOW/ROC.



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User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

MQ still has options for 25 more CRJ's but more than likely they will never take them. But who knows maybe after the AA piolts rengoiate there contract.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 19):
MQ still has options for 25 more CRJ's but more than likely they will never take them. But who knows maybe after the AA piolts rengoiate there contract.

American Eagle will expand their fleet when pilot negotiations are complete and the scope clause is gone. They need more 70-100 seaters. I could easily see them taking on 50-70 new planes.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Well, it isn't that they perfer, but they only have 25 of them. If they had more, they would love to send them to Miami. Perfect sized plane for MIA-CMH/CLE/CVG/PIT, and it would allow them to economically fly routes like MIA-BUF/YOW/ROC.

Ohh... okay. I thought it was more of a cost-savings issue like not having the MD-80s fly into MIA.


User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
They need more 70-100 seaters. I could easily see them taking on 50-70 new planes.

Couldn't agree with you more....But I highly doubt they will be CRJ's. MQ isnt happy with them or the technical support they receive from bombardier.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 21):

Couldn't agree with you more....But I highly doubt they will be CRJ's. MQ isnt happy with them or the technical support they receive from bombardier.

Agreed, they would probably be E170/E190 family jets. If they could only solve those labour issues...



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User currently offlineFlyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1080 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
Agreed, they would probably be E170/E190 family jets. If they could only solve those labour issues...

Ill second that. If AE receives more new a/c then I would also anticipate the removal of the E135/140 a/c from the fleet. Total number of fleet airframes would remain the same or lower, but higher number of seats available. Thoughts?



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 21):

Couldn't agree with you more....But I highly doubt they will be CRJ's. MQ isnt happy with them or the technical support they receive from bombardier.

Agreed, they would probably be E170/E190 family jets. If they could only solve those labour issues...

..that would open up a lot of routes and possibilities!



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25 PSU.DTW.SCE : Not in the short-term. Whenever they decide to obtain/order additional frames Eagle will go into expansion mode. Its almost certain that Eagle will n
26 MaverickM11 : I believe it was just pulled, so they're back down to only one daily with a couple extra day-of-week.
27 MiAAmi : I think it was just pushed back until the 14th or 15th of NOV. They are still selling seats after those dates.
28 MaverickM11 : It was pulled out of OAG today, so it should be out by the end of the weekend.
29 MAH4546 : AA is still playing around with their finalized winter schedules. MIA-CMH is set to go 2x daily this winter, by 13Dec07 at the latest. Of course, that
30 MiAAmi : Looks like the flight was pulled this past weekend. It was only in Sabre for one week. I dont understand why they would sell seats for one week and th
31 MAH4546 : It was made bookable prematurely. As I said, a final decission to launch the flight has not been made, but, as of now, it is still going to start thi
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