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RG New 767'S Where Are They?  
User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2989 posts, RR: 13
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7091 times:
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has varig gotten any more of the new 767's in the air yet? are there any photos?


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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

They are flying 3 frames now.

PP-VTC 767-3Y0ER built in 1993... lsd from EuroAtlantic Airways.
PP-VTE 767-3Y0ER built in 1993... lsd from EuroAtlantic Airways.
PP-VPV 767-375ER built in 1998... was stored by RG in 2006 crises an reentered in service last June.

They are all flying GRU-FRA and GIG-FRA.... Think RG is putting one more 763 in service in the next weeks.



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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6951 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 1):
PP-VPV 767-375ER built in 1998...

Sorry.. built 1988...



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8691 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6943 times:

Aren't they due to get 5 more 767's?

Hunter



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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 3):
Aren't they due to get 5 more 767's?

They are due to get 18 767-300ERs will 2012... At least this is what G3's fleet plan says... Like this:

2007= 10 frames
2008= 14 frames
2009= 16 frames
2010= 16 frames
2011= 17 frames
2012= 18 frames

But I don't think that this will happen.. 763s will be kind of old in 2012... I really think they will change this fleet plan next year, making it 777s or/and 787s.



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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

I have a doubt... Maybe LipeGIG can tell me... How are RG's 763s configured??


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6909 times:

One is already painted at Beijing and ready to be delivered.I received a picture of it.It is in a hangar next to a 767 Safi Aw (new start up of Afghanistan).

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6909 times:

Yes, actually PR-VAA must be on the air right now. It was supposed to leave MFM today and be ferried to GIG via JNB. I extracted this information and the photo links from Contato Radar, so I don't guarantee any of this information, since there are many conflicting versions about it.

http://pic.carnoc.com/pic/20070724/200707241159513940.jpg
http://pic.carnoc.com/pic/20070724/200707241206233323.jpg
http://pic.carnoc.com/pic/20070724/200707241210367999.jpg

Photos are from a Chinese forum:

http://bbs.feeyo.com/posts/245/topic-0016-2453500.html


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6910 times:

One is already painted at Beijing and ready to be delivered.I received a picture of it.It is in a hangar next to a 767 Safi Aw (new start up of Afghanistan).

User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
PR-VAA

They are going gor the PR- prefixs istead of their classic PP- now??



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 9):

They are going gor the PR- prefixs istead of their classic PP- now??

Yep!


User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6831 times:

What about ex-RG 777s...?

PP-VRC is still stored at MZJ.. is a non-ER version, first delivered to BA..
PP-VRD craped..
PP-VRI non-ER, ex-UAL, still stored at AFW....
PP-VRJ non-ER, ex-UAL, still stored at AFW also...

I mean, from 8 they operated, 4 have new operators, but 4 are still available.. VRD is craped, so maybe isn't worth a repair... but VRC, VRI and VRJ are stored and could be fixed to fly.. Why anybody get them? Even them being non-ER, and 12 years old, they are still interesting a/c for fast international expansion cases.. such as JJ's and RG's/G3's...



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User currently offlineFMAL From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6822 times:

Very disappointing "new" livery for Varig (as per the pictures above)....

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6805 times:

Quoting FMAL (Reply 12):
Very disappointing "new" livery for Varig (as per the pictures above)....

This is not supposed to be Varig's new livery. According to rumours, Varig will get a new livery in October.


User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6754 times:

Very disappointed that they have maintained the old VARIG scheme.

New Varig needs a new identity away from the past and the VARIGLOG scheme.

They should have at least tried an interim scheme on these B767's as they will all have to be painted at least white.

VARIG needs a new identity, to concentrait on fleet renwal with new planes, in flight service, despatch times and level of comfort, these old 767's are hardly going to make them competitive with the likes of KLM, AF, BA, LH all flying much more modern fleets.

Here's a breath of fresh air that was post some time back with new VARIG schemes in mind, I like this one. I believe the origin of this was MAP (modified aircraft photos) it was sent to me some time ago.

Big version: Width: 600 Height: 156 File size: 25kb
Something Modern, with a touch of flare !!


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8691 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6736 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 4):

But I don't think that this will happen.. 763s will be kind of old in 2012... I really think they will change this fleet plan next year, making it 777s or/and 787s.

Well I agree but if RG new management thinks the 767 is what they need, order new ones. GOL has the money. I'm sure Boeing would offer incentives to do this.

Hunter



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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6736 times:

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 14):
VARIG needs a new identity, to concentrait on fleet renwal with new planes, in flight service, despatch times and level of comfort, these old 767's are hardly going to make them competitive with the likes of KLM, AF, BA, LH all flying much more modern fleets.

Agree. They will have to put VERY good seats on offer VERY good service on the 767s to face other carriers...

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 14):
Something Modern, with a touch of flare !!

Just like TP's!!! Nice... But they should stay with BLUE..



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6712 times:

Isn't RG getting Malev's HA-LHA later on this year. LHA is a B762ER with CF6-80C2B4F engines, why is RG only adding one -200ER to its fleet.

Will RG be doing any interior upgrades to its new B767s?

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6712 times:

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 14):
Here's a breath of fresh air that was post some time back with new VARIG schemes in mind, I like this one. I believe the origin of this was MAP (modified aircraft photos) it was sent to me some time ago.

Looks like TAP Schema. Need to be more creative!


User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6695 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 17):
Isn't RG getting Malev's HA-LHA later on this year. LHA is a B762ER with CF6-80C2B4F engines, why is RG only adding one -200ER to its fleet.

I don't think they plan to get 762ERs.. Only -300ERs...



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6665 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 17):
Isn't RG getting Malev's HA-LHA later on this year. LHA is a B762ER with CF6-80C2B4F engines, why is RG only adding one -200ER to its fleet.

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Quoting Thering (Reply 19):
I don't think they plan to get 762ERs.. Only -300ERs...

Not only do they plan, it is apparently supposed to run the flights to MEX.


User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6657 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 20):
Not only do they plan, it is apparently supposed to run the flights to MEX.

There is no 767-200ER on G3 fleet plan..............

See "Avião Revue... 2007 August.. Pag. 9!"

[Edited 2007-08-09 02:21:19]


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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

If they plane on keeping these planes so long then they should think about putting winglets on them to get some more efficiency as compared to newer planes its size. I think the varig 767's look very clean in this scheme. Not too busy. But these planes with winglets would look so hot. Is there any word they may in the future?


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6588 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 21):
See "Avião Revue... 2007 August.. Pag. 9!"

You don't have to buy Avião Revue to get this kind of information. I have it for you right here!. The thing is that that plan isn't always perfectly right. For example, the initial plan for the domestic network for Varig has never been followed through.


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 21):
There is no 767-200ER on G3 fleet plan

Well according to Malev, HA-LHA will be going to RG as PR-VAC sometime during the fall. This was manufactured in 1993 and has a fairly low number of cycles.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 20):
Not only do they plan, it is apparently supposed to run the flights to MEX.

I believe in its current config HA-LHA seats 185 in 2 classes. I would think RG would want to increase the number of seats for the MEX rotation.

KrisYYZ


25 AF086 : Ditto. Avião Revue makes lots and lots of mistakes I wouldn't take their info as true and yes RG will have a single 767-200/ER (the one from Malev),
26 LipeGIG : Will be 30C 185Y IIRC. Accordingly to Contato Radar, IMO the best nowadays, yes, we will have a 767-200ER that should be used to MEX. Felipe
27 FlyTUITravel : These are both going to Royal Brunei.
28 AF022 : Are they going to get the second Malev aircraft that comes up next year? It seems kind of strange to get one aircraft for one route.
29 Post contains images Thering : OK, so if we should not consider plans, we may see RG's L-1011s next month......... So, 30 poor BusinessClass seats rigth? They don't plan to offer a
30 Thering : Why run MEX with a 762ER if they can fly it stopping in MAO with a 733? Obviously, thinking while the have long-haul planes shortage... They could us
31 AF022 : There are 763ERs on the market. I think they would be better off without that 762ER and getting more 763ERs.
32 Thering : It's not that easy... Many of the available ones are craped... RG is facing some problems to find good -300ERs... If it was being easy, they would al
33 AF086 : The info I've got is that the 30C biz seats will have a 60" pitch and the 185Y seats will have a 32" pitch which is fine. The point actually is: will
34 KLM685 : Because MEX-GRU is a high yield and very profitable route full of business passengers. Back when RG sent their 777's to MEX it was with the horrible
35 AF022 : It is impossible to lease widebodies for 1-2 years right now because everyone is waiting for the 787s to come along. Minimum is 5 years.
36 LH506 : 100% Agreed!!! Why would anybody (who is not looking for the cheapest fare) sit 10-12 hours (incl. the stopover in MAO) in a narrowbody, if you can g
37 LipeGIG : Agree. But they know it's impossible to compete in service at this time (with an old 762) so probably you can expect RG will compete in price. Also w
38 OB1504 : It's too TP-ish, as another poster said (it's practically a carbon copy), and it's too busy where titles are, while the rest of the airplane is just
39 LH506 : How many frequencies are allowed between MEX and Brazil? Is Ocean Air going daily?
40 LipeGIG : 28 weekly with a little restriction for both sides. Neither Mexican airlines can fly more than 12 weekly to São Paulo Guarulhos neither Brazilian ar
41 Thering : It's not fine... For an airline that doesn't offer First Class, they should have at least a lie-flat BusinessClass... No way they will face their com
42 C010T3 : What I said: What you replied: I don't see the correlation between both statements.
43 Neo : Where is RG going to use this new bird to?? Rgs, Neo
44 OB1504 : Cargo carriers have to make money, too.
45 Thering : So let me make it clear for you... You told me that I was wrong telling that RG won't get 762s because it wasn't on the plan... So, if we don't consi
46 Dellatorre : I'd like to remember one thing. By November RG's deadline for resuming international services, specially to Europe, will expire and they "should" loos
47 Thering : Agree with you! But don't think they will fly FCO.. they droped it many years ago.... What do tou think? I think they could do an effort also to get
48 C010T3 : Apparently, GIG/GRU-CDG-FCO. Once upon a time, when GLAI signed a leasing agreement with Automatic, LCC... They are flying to FCO, because it is the
49 Thering : sorry? So when they get more planes and star GRU-MXP they should end the CDG-FCO leg?
50 VC10er : there is no need for RG to change that beautiful livery, but they have tinkered with it ever since Landor (as in BA) did it 8 years ago. first they re
51 C010T3 : There were no talks about that. I believe FCO is coming to stay. I think VariGol is happy about leaving JJ and AZ diglatiating over MXP, having FCO f
52 VC10er : i admit the large VARIG looked pretty cool. the VARIG letterforms are unique and beautiful and i love the big nion sign over santos du mont..
53 C010T3 : Here is the schedule for Varig's new international flights starting in September. The exact starting day has not been defined yet. RG 8730: GRU 0055 1
54 Thering : 763s or 733s for these?
55 C010T3 : 763
56 Thering : Any update about the 763ER arriving from PEK?
57 C010T3 : The delivery is delayed. It hasn't left China yet.
58 Thering : Anyone have info about PP-VOI and VOJ conditions?? Think they are stored at GIG but don't know if they are "fixable"....
59 Flyguy1 : What will MA use now, since they are gving up 1 (2) of their 767's?
60 Thering : Anybody know about the 2 ex-Ryanair 738s that RG is receiving??
61 LIPZ : The route to CDG/FCO seems to be confirmed - daily effective from Sept 20 - with 763 of course. Flights already available on Amadeus.
62 VC10er : anyone have a photo of the busines/first section?
63 LipeGIG : Will include in the near future GIG as the first leg. In the future, will be GRU-CDG and GIG-FCO Felipe
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