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Delta To Begin IAD-LAX  
User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

Not expecting this one.

New Daily 738 service to begin March 2008
already in the schedules

Eastbound LAX 2300 IAD 0645+1
Westbound IAD 0800 LAX 1020

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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2937 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9017 times:

Definitely surprising. DL doesn't seem to have any type of focus city at IAD, though this could have something to do with their recent growth at LAX.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineAA7295 From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8975 times:

Wow, they've taken on a traditional UA route. Is it expected that they will take up more routes outside of their traditional realm.

Regards,
AA7295


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8947 times:

can we see some domestic 747-400 service in the future as a response??  Smile

that would be my dream!!



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8930 times:

Long time till March...

By then you'll probably have Virgin America in the market as well, so who knows if the DL route will come to fruition. This could just be DL simply signaling its intention to see if there are any competitive responses.

Anyhow the LA-DC route is competitive already with pricing pressure from Jetblue at LGB and also has other options including Alaska's unique nonstop to DCA plus BWI services as well.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7128 posts, RR: 87
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8920 times:

AA will get some competition with there 2x daily 738 and 1x daily 762 on this route.

Good for DL.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8875 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
Long time till March...
By then you'll probably have Virgin America in the market as well, so who knows if the DL route will come to fruition.

Yes, LAX-IAD starts Oct 24 on Virgin, and 2x daily! Very strange move by Delta -- maybe for future int'l considerations from Dulles to the Orient and/or South Pacific via LAX?

bb


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2770 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8856 times:

DL has shown a renewed commitment to LAX recently with additional mainline and RJ service. Let's hope this IAD route is just the beginning of additional growth.

User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8833 times:

This should only affect UA for the LAX-IAD O&D traffic and a small dent at most.


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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8787 times:

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Thread starter):
Not expecting this one.

New Daily 738 service to begin March 2008
already in the schedules

Thought this route was taken by UA and AA already...

UA 8x daily n/s:

UA324 752
UA946 777
UA966 A319
UA216 A319
UA924 752
UA210 A319
UA082 763
UA214 752

AA 3x daily n/s:

AA076 762
AA144 738
AA074 738

Yeah that will be a great route for them to fly....

IMO... DL will drop it with-in 6months.

[Edited 2007-08-09 07:38:53]


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4124 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8775 times:

This isn't unlike a similar route in BOS, where both UA and AA run several flights to LAX from, and DL runs the late afternnon 737-800 on. Of course, Delta has always had a presence in BOS, until now IAD had been pretty much hub service only. Definitely surprised by this one.

Anyone see WN jumping on this route, or is the route adequately served from BWI?


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7128 posts, RR: 87
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8775 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 9):

Copy that. Failing to see their strategy here. Time will tell if it works.

  

I thought DL was taken the 738 delivery to turn around and resell them.

What the deuce?

 confused 

[Edited 2007-08-09 07:43:33]

User currently offlineIaddca From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8759 times:

LAX is the #1 destination from IAD, with 540,000 annual pax one way. But DL will be the #4 carrier to take on the route, and one little 738 is going to get swept away by the 5 daily heavies from UA and AA. And none of this considers the 4 A320s B6 sends everyday down the road to LGB.

User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8748 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 10):
This isn't unlike a similar route in BOS, where both UA and AA run several flights to LAX

UA is 2x BOS-LAX in the fall. I think they used to fly a few more frequencies in the past.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 9):
AA 3x daily n/s:

AA076 762
AA144 738
AA074 738

Right, but by the fall this routes goes back to 2x 738, 1x 752.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 11):
I thought DL was taken the 738 delivery to turn around and resell them.

only 30 of the 50 on order

good luck to DL on this route



yep.
User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1097 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8722 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 11):
I thought DL was taken the 738 delivery to turn around and resell them.

According to delta.com, the 738 fleet is currently 71....I believe that some of the ones on order were sold to other carriers, but there are still plenty of orders and options.

Quoting Iaddca (Reply 12):
LAX is the #1 destination from IAD, with 540,000 annual pax one way. But DL will be the #4 carrier to take on the route, and one little 738 is going to get swept away by the 5 daily heavies from UA and AA. And none of this considers the 4 A320s B6 sends everyday down the road to LGB.

Probably a bit more to it than competing with UA or AA.....perhaps feed to unknown flights out of LAX next spring or summer?


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8701 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 11):
Copy that. Failing to see their strategy here. Time will tell if it works.

It's going to be a red-eye, which is less risky then a daytime flight as it utilizes an aircraft that would potentially be sitting overnight at LAX.

This is part of DL's strategy to grow at LAX, not any type of retaliation or response; they simply can't have a good LAX operation without service to the major cities. Let's see if they add ORD service, that would be a real surprise. Their success will depend upon how much growth occurs at LAX in the months ahead, as they will surely be looking at a good mix of O&D passengers and connecting passengers. DL is a strong player at LAX though, with soon close to 100 daily flights to over 50 destinations and they have a strong FF base there. The flight's (currently) not timed for flights to Hawaii so it doesn't offer much in the way of connections at the moment, but we shall see. DL is really trying hard to become a stronger LAX carrier, they intend on LAX being one of their hubs soon, with the lineup like this: ATL, CVG, SLC, JFK, and LAX being DL's hubs. I wish them success!

Jeremy


User currently offlineIaddca From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 10):

Anyone see WN jumping on this route, or is the route adequately served from BWI?

With VX and DL, IAD-LA Area will be 19 flights, while BWI will have just 4 - 2 UA, 2 WN.

Issue with BWI is the weak O&D Demographics of Baltimore City, Baltimore County, Harford, and Anne Arundel relative to DC and Northern Virginia. This is one reason why it has very little TATL service, and the one LHR BA 767 service it is clinging onto is subsidized by the state of MD. And since WN and B6 came to IAD, and F9 to DCA, far fewer Northern Virginians are trekking all the way to BWI to catch a WN flight.

So WN isn't really serving DC-SoCal market anymore with a BWI-LAX flight. I like their IAD-MDW service, but to take on 4 airlines at once, not to mention the slot restricted DCA-LAX AS run, would be unlike them.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7128 posts, RR: 87
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8665 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 16):
It's going to be a red-eye, which is less risky then a daytime flight as it utilizes an aircraft that would potentially be sitting overnight at LAX.

Copy that. I still see UA handing them their butt.  yes 


User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1006 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8647 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 10):
Anyone see WN jumping on this route, or is the route adequately served from BWI?

WN is in the process of eliminating transcon and some near transcon flights. LAX/OAK-BWI will bite the dust.



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User currently offlineIaddca From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8585 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 19):
LAX/OAK-BWI will bite the dust

I refer to BWI as a bus station with runways - great for cheap fares to Columbus and Nashville, but nothing much happening besides that. WN is 54% of their traffic, and of BWI's top 10 destinations - all are East of the Miss. except for DFW. PVD is #4 and MHT is #6 - basically routes work out of BWI when WN can stimulate demand with low prices. So if they abandon BWI-Calif, no guarantee UA or AA will pick up the slack for them.

DL picking up LAX-BWI would be even more senseless than their LAX-IAD run, unless they want no F or J passengers, and few business travelers in Y.


User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8540 times:

Finally another choice to fly to IAD nonstop, i wont have to endure UA's or AA's service anymore ... YAY!  cloudnine  A little competition is never a bad thing... However the only reason i can for this service seems to be their expansion at LAX, i only hope this is a sign of more expansion...(wishful thinking maybe, but one can hope!)

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

As said above, give it about six months and they will probably pull the flight!

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8426 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 16):
DL is a strong player at LAX though, with soon close to 100 daily flights to over 50 destinations and they have a strong FF base there

Not only that, but what is also a fact that has not been mentioned among all the "Delta will pull out in less than 6 months"-talk is that Delta also has quite a sizeable FF base in the D.C. area as well that could be very interested in this flight. Yes, the majority of DL's presence is at DCA, but since DL can't fly DCA-LAX, IAD-LAX it is. Surprising move, but combining the facts of relatively low utilization costs and nice FF bases at both ends of the route, this flight actually stands a chance against the competition.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8426 times:
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Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 1):
Definitely surprising



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 1):
this could have something to do with their recent growth at LAX.



Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):
Very strange move by Delta



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 9):
Yeah that will be a great route for them to fly....

IMO... DL will drop it with-in 6months.

Of course it has to do with the LAX buildup, you guys realize that DL's LAX ops has grown to over 50 domestic and international cities from 10-15 less than a year ago; the total number of daily flights offered (both DL and Connection) has just about doubled in less than a year...this is just another spoke in the LAX network......

...many of you are also acting as if this is the first time that DL has entered a competitive market out of LAX....do you think that SFO, SEA, DEN, PHX, LAS are all a walk in the park? There will be more....and as usual, there will be more predictions of doom and disaster on the ever-wise a.net... Yeah sure At the end of the day, many will work and some won't...but so far, most of the domestic expansion at LAX is progressing decently.

And yet, when VX announces LAX-IAD with no base on either end and as a completely new entrant, nobody says they will be run out of town by UA or AA in the market??? Product-wise, DL will be offering at least a very competitive product both front and back...the 738s being deployed will be equipped with the Song-PTVs at each seat and by then, DL transcon First will also be back to proper silverware, real glasses, choice of meals, an amenity packet, etc., and Coach will have BOB....certainly a better product than UA or AA and more than competitive with VX...

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 2):
Wow, they've taken on a traditional UA route.

Just like LAX-SFO / LAS / PHX / SEA / DEN / HNL / OGG / JFK / BOS, etc., and yes, there will be more to come...


25 MAH4546 : They shouldn't have trouble filling this flight, but it isn't like they are going to become a major player in the market with one daily. This is a hug
26 Fewsolarge : Ya think? I wouldn't expect this kind of route until the hub had more maturity, and particularly, something to offer in terms of connections that UA
27 Post contains images Alitalia744 : It's not about trying to compete with UA/VX/AA - it's about properly building up the LAX focus city for things to come. Look at JFK and replicate on a
28 Post contains images Jetlanta : You are crazy if you think DL is going to deviate from their plan because some start-up will be in the market. DL announced this route because it pla
29 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : Slowly over the last couple of years we've seen DL add some mainline service to LAX to places like RDU, TPA, JAX, FLL, MCO, MSY, BOS, JFK (5x now on
30 B752OS : You have to admit, UA probably sees a good amount of connecting traffic on the IAD-LAX run everyday along with AA to sustain 19 flights a day and bet
31 FLYGUY767 : It has everything to do with the growth in the Los Angeles market with Delta Air Lines. The plan from what I have heard is to have the flight up to 2
32 MaverickM11 : Why is this so surprising? It's low risk flying like BDL or JAX but to an actual city with actual demand to LAX.
33 Iaddca : I remember how expensive this route was in the 90s, so if nothing else we'll get great fares. Cheaper to fly from DC to LA now than take an Acela trai
34 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : The SLC flights to PHL (2x 752 per day) are always full, and BNA has been successful with an MD-90 even beyond what they originally thought could wor
35 MaverickM11 : Not necessarily while it's a redeye. Daylight flights generally have a premium over redeyes, so competing redeyes will likely get cheaper.
36 B777A340Fan : Too long of a trip to fly on a 738. I would never fly.
37 FLYGUY767 : American Airlines flies it daily with a mix including 737-800 United Airlines flies it daily with a mix including A319 The flying public outside of A
38 Socalatc : Alaska has been doing it for a couple years now (LAX-DCA) They started on a 737-700 now since been upgraded to a -800. People do not seem to mind, an
39 SLCUT2777 : DL does several eastern seaboard destinations on a 738 from SLC (RDU, IAD both come to mind). Even when it is a full impacted flight, a DL 738 is muc
40 HVNandrew : Many of DL's mainline flights out of LAX to the east coast are operated with the 738, including BOS, BDL, JAX, and now MCO.
41 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...but how then would you expect the hub to "have more maturity" without this kind of route?
42 DCA-ROCguy : Alitalia744 and Jetlanta's analysis seems right to me on this one. DL has had success building their focus/ feed operation at JFK (success some of us
43 Floridaflyboy : I'm not sure I follow this statement. What internal dissatisfaction is there with the SLC hub??? SLC is an excellent hub for Delta, and is being regu
44 Post contains images IADCA : A lot of that has to do with the fact that it comes into DCA. For a lot of people, the extra time (and money) you spend getting from IAD to DC proper
45 FlyPNS1 : Why is that? In coach, the seat width for both carriers is the same and WN actually has more seat pitch (33-34" vs 32"). As others have said, this ro
46 Halls120 : Concur. I fly IAD/SFO and IAD/LAX all the time, and the only advantage to flying on a bigger plane is the easier upgrade opportunity.
47 Jetlanta : The hook is that it is this is one of the largest O&D markets in the U.S. and Delta is the nation's third largest airline with major customer constit
48 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : Let's just call it preference for this: The 738 is a bigger aircraft than the 737NG, and is less on a 5+ hour trans-con' flight. I think WN couldn't
49 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : The 738 is a bigger aircraft than the 737NG, and is less on a 5+ hour trans-con' flight. I think WN couldn't get the results wanted on BWI-LAX/OAK due
50 MAH4546 : While the verdict is still out on if this will workf, Delta won't get "killed" on LAX-IAD, and they would not get killed on MIA-LAX. These are dense
51 DAL767400ER : I doubt it. LAX-SJU is too small of a market, and in recent years DL really didn't give a sh!t about PBI. Is there any remotely reasonable thinking b
52 EXAAUADL : You mean the #1 destination that DL currently doesnt serve from LAX? Wouldnt JFK/ATL/ORD/SFO/DFW/DEN be bigger?
53 EXAAUADL : At some point DL is going to run into a brick wall in LAX, jusr like they have in NYC and BOS when they tried serving Chicago...Glen has done well fo
54 IADCA : No, I think that might actually be right. Keep in mind that both LAX and SFO are huge routes for United, which hubs at IAD, and that everything else
55 Post contains images JRDC930 : Thats what i dont understand, its not like this is a High risk venture of 4or5 daily flights, besides people here make it sound like LAX is a dead en
56 EA CO AS : But loyal DL customers are already able to fly DCA-LAX on Alaska Airlines - earning DL SkyMiles in the process, too. DL pulls this one in six to eigh
57 Dutchjet : Its interesting.......when hearing that DL will launch service on the IAD-LAX route, the initial reaction is ""What the hell, why is DL getting involv
58 Panamair : DL has a total of 50 738s on firm order; here is the delivery schedule: 2007: 10 2008: 7 2009: 14 2010: 19 The 10 in 2007, 7 in 2008, 14 in 2009, and
59 FlyPNS1 : Yes, the 738 is slightly longer, but that's about the only difference. The 738 is no less cramped than a 737NG. Easy to fill a flight, yes. Easy to g
60 Dutchjet : Thanks for the quick and cohesive answer.......I did not think that DL was ending up with any of the 738s. Do you think that there is a chance that a
61 SLCUT2777 : I likewise would like some additional information since DL has quite obviously a shortage of mainline equipment. While in BK last year restructuring
62 FLYGUY767 : If every domesitc route on every US airline was flown based on high yields you would have 90% of the domestic capacity reduced. Be that American, Del
63 FLYGUY767 : If every domestic route on every US airline was flown based on high yields you would have 90% of the domestic capacity reduced. Be that American, Del
64 Panamair : Your guess is as good as mine....the previous thinking was more towards the negative side (i.e., they had enough 738s for their needs). The 738 is a
65 Iaddca : BWI has great options for ground transportation, just horrible choices for air transportation once you've checked in. 30 nightly transatlantics from
66 DualQual : Small nit to pick. The 738 is a 737NG. Just as the -600/700/900 are also NG's. I think you all meant the 738 is no less cramped than a 73G (-700). /n
67 SLCUT2777 : This wouldn't surprise me at all since they have a shortage of said equipment. This would actually be a smart move by DL since who knows, Boeing migh
68 EXAAUADL : ok, ok...I can see LAX being number 1 from IAD, but not the other way around...Since DL is working on a LAX strategy and not an IAD strategy I though
69 Jetlanta : What brick wall have they hit in NYC? Other than the fact that there are capacity issues at all three airports, its hard to see where the market has
70 IADCA : Well, I may have misunderstood the poster who asserted it in the first place, but I thought the "one-way" claim in his post meant IAD-LAX, but specif
71 Iaddca : I brought this up earlier, but you are correct. LAX is the #1 destination out of IAD, but IAD doesn't even hit the top 5 out of LAX, which are ORD, L
72 EXAAUADL : For one starting with Chicago
73 Jetlanta : At 11+ daily frequencies? That is a brick wall? Seriously, it is a fortress hub for UA and AA. Delta's presence in the market shows it's commitment t
74 HVNandrew : UA doesn't even fly LAX-ATL.
75 Jetlanta : Exactly.
76 Tommy767 : But honestly, is DL that much better in Y when compared to UA or AA? Okay, maybe a free bag of chips on DL but UA and AA have better frequencies. Hmm
77 Post contains images Panamair : Since we're on a.net where PTVs are all the rage, yes, DL will be better in Y between IAD and LAX because there will be AVOD PTVs at each seat
78 FLYGUY767 : Maybe he was thinking of the few moons ago that United Airlines operated the route with an airbus.. Why? They have 6 757-200 flights a day to JFK.. P
79 Fewsolarge : Ha! True. It seems much less surprising after a day to digest it, but I kind of figured they'd do more building in the West and to more medium market
80 DTWAGENT : Can a B738 make a flight that long going head to head with the jet stream with out stopping for a refuel some place? Chuck
81 DualQual : Yes. Ours go every day from EWR to the west coast.
82 HVNandrew : Yes. As already pointed out in this thread, DL runs much longer flights on the 738 without any problems.
83 Tommy767 : I'm don't think DL will have all of their 738s with AVOD online by March 2008. They would have to be running them through MX awfully quick. I have a
84 Panamair : The first 738s will be going in for the mods by the end of this month. 28 738s are supposed to get the AVOD, winglets, slimline seats, etc., done by
85 Halls120 : He's right. While DL is known for frequent flights from DCA and IAD to ATL, they are far behind UA, AA, and US in terms of visible market penetration
86 UAL777UK : Aren't we missing the point here, AVODS, PTV, New carpets etc....sorry guys but I for one am not going to fly a red eye or simply go for that one flig
87 ChrisNH : Delta's motto: 'The routes we love most are the ones that someone else starts first.'
88 Post contains images Panamair : Yes, just like nonstop JFK-BOM, JFK-OTP, JFK-PSA, ATL-TLV, ATL-DXB, JFK-IST, JFK/ATL-VCE, JFK/ATL-BCN, all routes pioneered by someone else...oh, yes
89 Halls120 : AVOD in DL Y class indeed will make them more tempting. But when I'm flying to the west coast, UA's increased frequency, more legroom in Y+, and chan
90 Panamair : That's all fine and well...I don't believe I ever said that DL would win anything based on having AVOD PTVs. Reply 76 simply asked what advantages DL
91 Halls120 : understand. I'm actually happy that DL is giving IAD fliers the option of avoiding the hell that is ATL, especially in the summertime. With just one
92 Jetlanta : I have no idea why people think that Delta needs to appeal to every customer in the market. They will go in with a FRACTION of the capacity that the o
93 Post contains images B777A340Fan : Yup, yup, yup.... That's why I never fly AA, AS, or DL. I am however a HUGE fan of UAL, so instead of flying the A319 across the country, I would fly
94 FLYGUY767 : That is false that AA is far ahead of Delta Air Lines Washington D.C. market with the following: D E L T A = 105 Flights Ronald Reagan Washington Nat
95 Jetlanta : I think Halls is talking about Delta's marketing presence in WAS. It's true that DL spends very little in WAS, as most of it's marketing budget is ai
96 FLYGUY767 : Thank Jetlanta, For clearing up what Halls meant.. -JD
97 IADCA : 1) DL's two main markets from the DC area are ATL and the LGA shuttle. That's what they're known for here, rightly or wrongly. I can't state this str
98 Alitalia744 : Quick question IADCA - Do you have Household Penetration, Brand Awareness/Affinity, passenger end destination rates/travel-through and rate of repeat
99 FLYGUY767 : Where is the statistical data to prove your point? Is there anything that exists that can prove your point? I have a feeling the above is nothing but
100 Iaddca : DL is #6 at IAD, with just 750k annual pax, or about 4% of the domestic traffic, 3% of total. It trails UA, UAX, B6, AA, and WN. Comair carries 150k a
101 Jetlanta : Well, 1.3+ million annual passengers are not just travelling in the NYC and ATL O&D's. But the truth is, it may be perceived that way by people in Was
102 Iaddca : AA's ahead of DL 839k to 705k at IAD, and 2.257m to 1.950m at DCA. While not a DC airport, AA is also ahead of DL at BWI 1,140k to 957k.
103 SESGDL : Those numbers are rather insignificant. In total, including BWI as a D.C. area airport, DL is just some 600k passengers behind AA in the D.C. area. U
104 IADCA : (Sorry, long post, I hope it's okay to just refer to it rather than copy and paste it all) The point I was making was about the general mood of consu
105 Jetlanta : Jeremy, those numbers are pretty insignificant, but if you look at RPM's and Passenger Revenue, it gets much wider. Those two matter to the airlines
106 Post contains images EA CO AS : "Clearly" I don't, oh great one. We'll see.
107 Jetlanta : Sorry, didn't mean to sound arrogant. My point was that, for what Delta is trying to accomplish here, this is a very low hurdle.
108 Tommy767 : DL's strong point is DCA. BWI/IAD are much weaker stations for them and both don't see shuttle services. Do you have any data that shows that DL IS F
109 JRDC930 : I would agree that it'll be tough at first, but the flip side is that with only one flight a day there wont be much risk. I agree service and product
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Delta To Begin Heathrow Service, Problems posted Sat Jan 29 2000 16:28:10 by DeltaAir
LA Times: Delta To Add 37 Flights At LAX posted Mon May 7 2007 19:58:31 by ORD
UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG posted Thu May 3 2007 16:16:02 by RDUDDJI
JetBlue To Begin PBI/IAD posted Wed Aug 2 2006 14:50:02 by PlaneGuy27
Delta Receives U.S. DOT Approval To Begin Flights posted Tue Feb 28 2006 21:50:59 by Positiverate