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US Baggage Handlers Probe At PHL  
User currently offlineNbseer From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 49 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5089 times:

Baggage handlers fired, allegedly for overtime ripoffs at PHL.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news...ys_investigating_bag_handlers.html

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User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5036 times:

Having flown through PHL several times on US, and 50 percent of those times having lost luggage. I find it hard to believe that the baggage handlers in PHL work at all, forget about overtime!! Maybe thats how they caught on to the scheme!!


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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5012 times:

I do not condone fraud agree US Airways should take whatever action is necessary for people who have fiddled the systems.

But when people are earning a measly $10 an hour, and having trouble make ends meet. I can see why people could be tempted to de-fraud the company and make extra money if possible.

I know working practises and law vary around the world, but does the USA not have a minimum wage law? $10 dollars an hour is less than £5 GBP and in the UK is would be illegal to pay that sort of money. No wonder the poor get poorer and the rich get richer!


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4960 times:

Some people (actually a lot) work for even $7 an hour. It's a disgrace for this country and the politicians.


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4906 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
I know working practises and law vary around the world, but does the USA not have a minimum wage law? $10 dollars an hour is less than £5 GBP and in the UK is would be illegal to pay that sort of money. No wonder the poor get poorer and the rich get richer!

To answer your question, minimum wage is $5.85 per hour, increasing to $6.55 per hour on July 24, 2008, and $7.25 per hour on July 24, 2009.



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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Minimum wage in this country is a joke. However back to the PHL emps, they have not acted well on their own behalf, nor has management done well either.


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User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

All of yall have a serious lacking of understanding when it comes to Economics. That goes to show how stupid most people in the country are. Even if the minimum wage was $20 bucks an hour and they were making that, these people would have the same standard of living!! Prices for everyone would go up. This has nothing to do with the rich getting richer BS. If we lowered the minimum wage to $2 an hour, prices for everything would fall because no one could afford anything (that is where supply and demand take over).

There are always going to be people that won't be rich and struggling to make it in a particular industry, and that is the way it should be. In our system, we are free to pursue better jobs and make conditions better for ourselves. Now whether or not we take that leap is another story, but everyone is not entitled to equal compensation.

LLiriBDL's comment about this being a disgrace for our country and our politicians is an absolute crock of S***. Please gain a better understanding of Econ before making such an ignorant comment.

Economics 101
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User currently offlineFanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1608 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
I know working practises and law vary around the world, but does the USA not have a minimum wage law? $10 dollars an hour is less than £5 GBP and in the UK is would be illegal to pay that sort of money. No wonder the poor get poorer and the rich get richer!

Don't forget almost everything in the United states is much less expensive than the uk. Housing, energy, groceries, automobiles, you name it, we pay less, and less in taxes too. Your minimum wage earners are no better off than ours, as far as purchasing power. $10 an hour to a college student who is working part time is pretty good money. We can argue all day which system is better, but at the end of the day, the real issues is fraud. The small amount these handlers are paid does not justify fradulant hours worked. On the other side of the coin, pathetic USAir will get what they pay for. Didn't we hear not long ago that PHL has the worst rates for lost baggage?



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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
But when people are earning a measly $10 an hour, and having trouble make ends meet. I can see why people could be tempted to de-fraud the company and make extra money if possible.

They knew what the job paid when they took it. If you don't like it quit, and do something else. Not liking your pay rate is not an excuse for stealing from a company, and that exactly what this amounts to..theft.

[Edited 2007-08-09 18:49:34]

User currently offlineB6ramprat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Didn't they have a massive call out a few years ago during Christmas?


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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

Quoting B6ramprat (Reply 9):
Didn't they have a massive call out a few years ago during Christmas?

Yes that was under the OLD US management not the new HP management.


User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1459 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Once again, greed betrays the thief. Once they stick their hand in the cookie jar, they just can't stop. They were caught when somebody noticed inordinate amounts of overtime paid to only certain employees.

Well duh. Maybe the reason those people only make $10/hour is because they aren't very smart to begin with.



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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 2):
But when people are earning a measly $10 an hour, and having trouble make ends meet. I can see why people could be tempted to de-fraud the company and make extra money if possible.

It's happened before at carriers that pay twice that... why do you think AA uses a hand scanner at ORD for the time clock...



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User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

HAHAH what a surprise.... NOT...

US' performance at PHL has been downright dreadful for the past couple of years. I can tell you from experience that they will hire anyone that can read and write and show that they are physically capable of performing the job. The hiring process consists of showing up at an "open house" US Airways has at their Lester location, spending about an hour filling out an application and doing a one-on-one interview, only to have a conditional job offer (contigent upon passing a drug screen and background check) only a few minutes after arriving for the open house. They are desperate for people.... It's too bad they can't get their act together, increase the wage for baggage handlers and hire some higher quality people. If you make the wage 9.59 an hour and hire anyone, of course you're going to get a real crappy workforce. The workers take advantage of the crappy mangement at PHL, that's why you see this scandal going on about the overtime pay. They need better management and they need to hire better quality people, otherwise PHL is going to stay the atrocity that it is.

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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1243 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 13):
They are desperate for people.... It's too bad they can't get their act together, increase the wage for baggage handlers and hire some higher quality people. If you make the wage 9.59 an hour and hire anyone, of course you're going to get a real crappy workforce. The workers take advantage of the crappy mangement at PHL, that's why you see this scandal going on about the overtime pay. They need better management and they need to hire better quality people, otherwise PHL is going to stay the atrocity that it is.

We aren't hard up for people at all. It's just that these are the people that the company is trying to funnel out. The ones that we hired years ago and were bad all along but skated through or were decent and then turned sour. We are overstaffed by close to 300 people or such for exactly this reason. They know they've got bad people and they are staffing accordingly to weed out the bad apples. I think hiring has gotten better as far as all the people I know that were hired with me or after me.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 13):
If you make the wage 9.59 an hour and hire anyone, of course you're going to get a real crappy workforce.

A starting wage of 9.59 an hour at an airline is pretty darn good in the United States.


User currently offlineSwaopsusafatc From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

I heard on the radio today that USAirways is having an ice cream social hiring event. On site interview and employment for rampers at PHL. Guess they are replacing them.

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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Quoting Swaopsusafatc (Reply 16):
I heard on the radio today that USAirways is having an ice cream social hiring event. On site interview and employment for rampers at PHL. Guess they are replacing them.

Criteria for hiring: must be able to spell "ice cream social".


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
A starting wage of 9.59 an hour at an airline is pretty darn good in the United States.

Especially for a job that requires very little skill. Before all you rampers start trippin', remember I worked on the ramp too, and while it is hard work, the basic job of a ramper is not that complicated. How hard is it to read a bag tag? Yes, there are some parts of the job that require skill: Load Planning, planning/leadership, Pushback, aircraft towing, but not all rampers have/need these skills.

Considering many rampers top at at over $20/hr in this country...it's no wonder airlines are struggling.

As far as the PHL situation is concerned...fire them all. They deserve it. But I'll give them some credit, that was a good racket they had going until some moron put 100hours of OT on their cert for one week...



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 18):
Especially for a job that requires very little skill. Before all you rampers start trippin', remember I worked on the ramp too, and while it is hard work, the basic job of a ramper is not that complicated. How hard is it to read a bag tag? Yes, there are some parts of the job that require skill: Load Planning, planning/leadership, Pushback, aircraft towing, but not all rampers have/need these skills.

Considering many rampers top at at over $20/hr in this country...it's no wonder airlines are struggling.

As far as the PHL situation is concerned...fire them all. They deserve it. But I'll give them some credit, that was a good racket they had going until some moron put 100hours of OT on their cert for one week...

Shockingly, US Airways pays their new-hire Ramp Agents more than they pay their new-hire Customer Service Agents!



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 12):
It's happened before at carriers that pay twice that... why do you think AA uses a hand scanner at ORD for the time clock...

Well a bit off topic, Independence Air used a finger print scanner for the time clock plus a pin number in addition



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 19):
Shockingly, US Airways pays their new-hire Ramp Agents more than they pay their new-hire Customer Service Agents!

Even more shocking, try Hub Specialists (Auditors, Time Keepeers, Admin, Clerks, etc)

7.50 to 7.75 to start.



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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 13):
If you make the wage 9.59 an hour and hire anyone, of course you're going to get a real crappy workforce.

A starting wage of 9.59 an hour at an airline is pretty darn good in the United States.

If you're in it part time as a college student, or similar maybe. Ever try and live in Philadelphia on $10/hour? Even a lower mid-range, unappealing apartment in a reasonable location well away from Center City would cost you around 150% of your take home pay. You could of course find something, but I wouldn't necessarily want to walk outside at night. And we haven't even considered food, clothing and transportation costs. You'd essentially have to live at the Poverty level on Welfare to exist on that salary alone in Philadelphia.


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 21):
Even more shocking, try Hub Specialists (Auditors, Time Keepeers, Admin, Clerks, etc)

7.50 to 7.75 to start.

Which is obviously more than they should have been making at Philahellphia!



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

This is not surprising, and is probably a wide-spread problem in the industry.

When I worked @ FL, we had a computerized time clock where you either swiped the bar code on your employee badge or entered your badge number on the key pad. There were guys who would leave early or would be late for work and have someone clock in/out for them.

When I worked @ EV, it was even easier to fudge the numbers as we used a time sheet that we would turn it at the end of a pay period. We had closing supervisors that would credit folks with 4 hours of overtime even if they only worked 30 minutes over (This was done so they could actually get folks other than the K-2 line folks to help out at the end of the night, but even those of us on the closing shift would get this as well, even if we got off on time.). There were pay periods where I made more money off of the overtime I was credited for than off of my base pay. Very rarely did I even work a quarter of the overtime hours of which I had gotten credit for.


25 Malaysia : Another way of fudging numbers was one company that strictly used sign in sheets only and never used time clocks, I dont know if has been changed yet,
26 San747 : Interesting... Is this sort of fraud and incompetence and negative issues happening only with US East at PHL? It's not systemwide is it? I just got hi
27 Malaysia : Oh I beleive it has happened at LAS as well. especially letting CWA Customer Service Agents pick up open time in the Timekeeping (nonunion) departmen
28 San747 : Great. Oh well, I just hope my new crew won't play any games like that. Honestly, what I don't understand about this whole thing is how those rampers
29 ContnlEliteCMH : Or how about not doing it because it's wrong? My mama taught me that stealing was wrong. Apparently for some in this thread, their mamas taught them
30 SHUPirate1 : A-Friggin-Men Brotha!
31 Post contains images San747 : Well, of course, I also wouldn't do it because it's wrong. But I kind of figured it went without saying. Honestly, I'm not really even capable of att
32 HPRamper : Fleet service isn't a job to make a living at. It's a great job for a college student, especially one still living at home. Anyone who tries to raise
33 PHLapproach : That's exactly what we use, Workbrain. Apparently about $1 Million dollars was stolen from the company in this scheme. All I know is that I just move
34 Malaysia : Well I was referring to the timeclocks, but the program was entirely different and actually a very nice system that had many features that the Workbr
35 MD11Engineer : We use a sign in sheet, but the shift leaders (moi) has to verify the times and sign for any overtime. Jan
36 Platinumfoota : Thats only after working 10+ years for an airline. I dont believe thats enough money for someone who has worked for over 25 years for an airline. Bei
37 Asuflyer05 : So it's US's fault they got frauded because they pay their rampers $9 an hour to start? Would you blame a rape victim for the crime because she wore
38 Ambassador : Slovacek.... to add to your comments, this is why I dislike the liberal politicians so much. They position themselves as heros to the low wage workin
39 Mtb555 : As a 'ramper,' I take offense to that comment, as well. The reason "those people" make 10 an hour is because that's what the airline decides to pay f
40 StasisLax : Regarding part of the issue with the tremendous number of "lost" US bags at PHL, I have to wonder if this is due to a "small" percentage of the US bag
41 Post contains images SW733 : I completely agree with this. My bad has made it through PHL most times, but my customer service experiences with US Airways have been horrific, in f
42 Malaysia : I think Ill stay away from PHL then.
43 Vega : Then you should stay away from every major U.S. airport, especially JFK, SEA , MIA.and LAX
44 IliriBDL : Making 20 bucks an hour you would simply raise your standard of living. Say that you pay 1000 a month rent/or house, going from 9 bucks to 20, thats'
45 Slovacek747 : Raising minimum wage from $9 to $20 an would NOT raise the standard of living (perhaps for a very brief period). In order to pay that much, every comp
46 SHUPirate1 : I almost never do check bags, but my one experience with checking a bag on US Airways was a couple of summers ago, coming off a redeye into Philadelp
47 Post contains images Srbmod : Corruption and criminal activities at a big city airport? Intelligence has almost nothing to do with it. Some of us actually went into the industry k
48 Malaysia : Whats the top out pay for a US ramper? since its an LCC now? 16-17?
49 IliriBDL : I know it's possible to become educated in this country. I came here when I was 14, wasn't my choice, (due to war), but I had to learn English, gradu
50 ContnlEliteCMH : You may be offended at whatever rubs you the wrong way. Were there a "disrespected user" list, you could add me. No sir. The *reason* those rampers m
51 Post contains images IliriBDL : I'm not defending them. I hope and wish they go to jail for what they did. It's wrong to steal. Simple as that. Yea, I too believe we share common vie
52 Jetdeltamsy : You are right. Fraud is fraud and it is illegal. Those involved should be prosecuted. That being said....payroll time manipulation goes on everywhere
53 Max999 : Do you also dislike the conservative politicians who position themselves as heroes to the religious right with their rhetoric about gay marriage back
54 PHLapproach : Interesting to hear this. I just handled some QVC stuff off of 723 - DUB and it had hand written on all the boxes - Jewelry/Earrings - Necklaces. A f
55 PHLapproach : At a Class I, top out after 10 years is like 17.35. Class II station is topped out at 15.60 or so.
56 PHLapproach : The funny thing is, in our workbrain if you clock out a minute late it gives you the rate for that minute or if your 5 minutes late it will dock you
57 M404 : Lots of comments about low pay being a catalyst and excuse for crime but I'd like a USAir employee give us some insight to whether these particular fo
58 MD11Engineer : A few years at FRA several cargo managers were fired and jailed because they stole cargo (e.g. cell phones) in bulk and sold it over eBay. Jan[Edited
59 HPRamper : Under the new transitional agreement, all stations will have the same pay scale. No more Class I, Class II and AWA pay scales.
60 HPAEAA : What about the old HP Location differential? that gone as well?
61 Mtb555 : That is in a way what I meant. The pay is stated and it's the potential employee's choice to accept that rate and work the job or seek employment els
62 Malaysia : The differentials will all be removed from the new merged mainline operations with the exception of Piedmont getting some extra permission to offer a
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