AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5821 posts, RR: 23 Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6327 times:
Answer me this:
So A.net has been very quite as of late about Air India and Jet Airways to SFO (specially Jet). So I am hearing from a good source that both will start in Oct 07. I can't find anything on either websites.
So is this true?
If so it appear between yesterday and Oct., SFO will receive 5 new airlines.
Virgin America
Southwest
Aer Lingus
Air India ?
Jet Airways ?
ASSFO
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
FLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6291 times:
Quoting AS739X (Thread starter): If so it appear between yesterday and Oct., SFO will receive 5 new airlines
Has there been any more discussion of Oasis Hong Kong, Kingfisher, V-Australia, BMI, or Emirates entering the San Francisco market? I could have sworn someone said that TN was going to offer the A319 Business Class Config on an SFO-BOB service.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38514 posts, RR: 80 Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6277 times:
This is all great news!
I look forward to flying Virgin America to New York, hopefully before the year is out.
If Air India starts up service here, I'd love to see their 747s in the older/current livery before they all get repainted to the new cheaper looking livery.
FLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6271 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 2): If Air India starts up service here, I'd love to see their 747s in the older/current livery before they all get repainted to the new cheaper looking livery.
Unfortunately I think it is to be the 777-200LR from Bangalore.. "The Tech Express"
Osprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6155 times:
Oasis Hong Kong is going to be starting service to OAK I believe. Still wish AI had gone to SJC, but I have to be honest that that was a pipe dream at best.
I also would love to see EK or BMI at SFO though.
"Reading departure signs in some big airports reminds me of the places I've been"
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38514 posts, RR: 80 Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6093 times:
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 3): Unfortunately I think it is to be the 777-200LR from Bangalore.. "The Tech Express"
Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 5): Oasis Hong Kong is going to be starting service to OAK I believe.
Nice.
That will be Oakland's only passenger 747-400 service.
Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 5): Still wish AI had gone to SJC, but I have to be honest that that was a pipe dream at best.
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't SJC have really strict noise abatement laws and no after hour flights due to it's proximity to rich, whinny nimby's?
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22077 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6054 times:
Its only a matter of time before some Indian carrier shows up at SFO. Jet, Air India or Sausalito's own Vijay and his Kingfisher.
I would not hold my breath however as each one seems to be good at planning for lots of routes but failing to execute.
Btw- I wonder if AI does show up if its service regularity will be any better than what they are doing at LAX, where 3-6 delays are the norm, if not straight out cancellations due continual stream of equipment problems?
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38514 posts, RR: 80 Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6014 times:
Any word SAS coming to San Francisco?
I know that has come up a few times in the boards here. Sorry in advanced if it's been talked a lot about before.
Osprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5994 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 6): Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't SJC have really strict noise abatement laws and no after hour flights due to it's proximity to rich, whinny nimby's?
Actually, I doubt the noise abatement laws or the late hour flights would be a problem if AI or anyone else decided to run 744s, 777s, or 787s into SJC. If they saw their was a profit to be made out of SJC they would probably just schedule around those times.
"Reading departure signs in some big airports reminds me of the places I've been"
Zkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1501 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5929 times:
when BD do finally get it together , think SFO is there somewhere , but it won't happen till next year (08) - when open Sky's kicks in.. and then it will be with an A330-200 series aircraft, tho at least they will have the new ''sleeper pods'' in business class. so looking forward to them coming online. (about time) !
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38514 posts, RR: 80 Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5905 times:
Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 9): I doubt the noise abatement laws or the late hour flights would be a problem if AI or anyone else decided to run 744s, 777s, or 787s into SJC. If they saw their was a profit to be made out of SJC they would probably just schedule around those times.
True, however a 4-5 hour delay in arrival or departure may fall between the SJC's silly 11:00PM to 6:30AM curfew which most carriers rather not deal with.
FLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5794 times:
Quoting Zkojh (Reply 12): Also heard (rumor) that NZ are looking at flying AKL-RAR-SFO too , or at least one of the pacific islands like they do to LAX
Is that why people have been talking about the 777 flying to RAR from AKL?
BAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 31 Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5577 times:
VA and Jet Airways will start service to SFO before year end.
AerLingus? NO
Southwest: I doubt it; the reason they pulled out was that they didn't want to pay the costs of operating there.
The rest, who knows?
One thing I do know (and this is fact): The airport authority at SFO (The City) has a very aggressive sales and marketing department and they do a very effective job of attracting new players to the market. The A side of the international terminal will have its full compliment of gates soon, so there will be room for growth in 2008. I am less certain about the central terminal; I believe that Virgin America is operating out of the new terminal complex for now...a good idea, especially if they are going to provide feed to their British sister carrier.
SAS: I doubt they will add SFO, although they were talking about it for some time. Their focus is on Asia at the moment, although they could use more gateways in the US (IMHO).
As I said, the rest? Who knows...
baw716
David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22077 posts, RR: 51 Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5556 times:
Quoting BAW716 (Reply 17): Southwest: I doubt it; the reason they pulled out was that they didn't want to pay the costs of operating there.
Dont know where you have been, however SWA resumes SFO service on August 26th with 18 departures to MDW, SAN and LAS.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5523 times:
Quoting BAW716 (Reply 17): Southwest: I doubt it; the reason they pulled out was that they didn't want to pay the costs of operating there.
...WN has restarted SFO for a multitude of reasons...1)better costs (I heard they are paying up to 40% less than when they were last in SFO), 2-more competition and the need for expansion/serving other airports 3) with SFO upgrading its navigation system, there are much less delays than there have been in the past....
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 18): Dont know where you have been, however SWA resumes SFO service on August 26th with 18 departures to MDW, SAN and LAS.
Quoting Tracks (Reply 19): Aer Lingus start DUB-SFO non stop on October 28th of this year
...hoping to see AI soon and EK in a couple of years....
Legacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1843 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5478 times:
Quoting BAW716 (Reply 17): VA and Jet Airways will start service to SFO before year end.
AerLingus? NO
Southwest: I doubt it; the reason they pulled out was that they didn't want to pay the costs of operating there.
Wow, you were really off on this one. I still enjoy reading your insights on air travel. I knew a few of the AZ ground staff at SFO. I miss seeing the "green" jackets.
VA started service yesterday. As posted on other treads, it is doubtful 9W will start service this year into SFO. I assume it is getting approval from the Chinese Gov't for rights.
As stated , Southwest starts in a few weeks and EI in October.
SFO has another two or three International carriers in the pipe line. There was a quote by a airport official stating they had five carriers lines up for new service.
EI, possible AI but the three others are a mystery???
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5358 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 22): Has Thai Airways considered returning to SFO again?
...would be very nice to see a TG A346 @ SFO (like LAX).....
Legacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1843 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5295 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 22): Has Thai Airways considered returning to SFO again?
Thai never flew schedule service into SFO. The only time a TG flew into SFO was a diversion due to 911. The bussed the passengers down to LAX.
John@SFO
25 Superfly: Well I hope Thai returns under different circumstances.
26 FLYGUY767: Southwest has been selling the new service to SFO for a while now: Service is flown to Las Vegas, Phoenix, and San Diego starting 26 August http://pr
27 Robbie86: SK is looking quite deep into SFO to start a CPH-SFO service and they are also looking to start CPH-HKG... But with increasing traffic to PEK from bo
28 Osprey88: Might have to rethink my European connection hub now, SAS's onboard Internet is just too tempting.
29 FLYGUY767: I had a moment, it is LAS.MDW.SAN Apologies.. -JD
30 Superfly: Thanks for the info. Does SAS have more A340s on order?
31 Robbie86: SK currently have seven 340's and they are beeing used on the following routes: ARN-PEK ARN-BKK (Oct 31) CPH-NRT CPH-BKK CPH-PEK CPH-ORD CPH-EWR CPH-
32 Doona: The long haul focus is on Asia at the moment, mainly PEK and BKK as I understand it. It's odd, SAS Group made quite a large chunk of cash last year,
33 Ctang: Air India currently "flies" to SFO through codesharing with SQ - SQ1/2 via HKG.
34 Robbie86: CPH-IAD ARN-EWR ARN-ORD Are, AFAIK, served by 330's
35 Jacobin777: ...hopefully we'll be seeing real AI metal in SFO soon....
36 Superfly: Unfortunately it wont be one these beauties. We're only going to get their twin engined 777 with the new cheap livery. View Large View MediumPhoto &c
37 BAW716: OK all, I blew it. I didn't look before I opened my mouth about Southwest...my apologies. I believe, the rest of my post is reasonably accurate. Appre
38 Xpfg: No, Aer Lingus starts up in Oct. at SFO. You were wrong there too.
39 Aussie747: V Australia (Virgin Blue Subsidiary) should announce by end of September where its two USA routes will be. Stay tuned.
40 SkyyMaster: OK, so which is it? I'd always heard Oasis was coming to OAK. Yet other threads on here have posts by "people who know people who know people" who in
41 SFO777200LR: SFO is a very interesting place. We seem to attract lots of international carriers (especially European) but for some reason, we can't keep them here.
42 Oakjam: I have bought a ticket for August 30 from SFO-SAN on WN. Nice to see WN return to SFO. BART has a train car painted with a Southwest ad detailing the
43 SkyyMaster: This puzzles me too. At one time, after JFK, SFO was considered a sure bet to be EK's second US gateway; now they are going to IAH and LAX. I would n
44 AA767LOVER: I wonder if such a routing could be viable. Would it be transpacific, or routed via Europe? If Jet Airways starts to SFO, I don't doubt it would be a
45 Legacyins: After SARS, 911 and the economy, SFO disbanded its marketing department to attract new carriers. The marketing division at SFO has come back in full
46 SkyyMaster: I know this is probably on another thread, but we all know how efficient the search engine on here is. What is the status of the old international ter
47 Mexicana767: I hope that Aeromexico comes to SFO!!! Aeromexico filed US DOT applications to fly to North Bay airports (OAK, SFO and SJC?) and also SCK, but so far
48 Oakjam: Would AM use the Delta/Sky team counter to log in flights to Mexico at Oakland(OAK)? I have heard that AM has applied for the US dot applications for
49 Insiderinfo: air india service will start oct end or early nov.. it will be SFO..BLR...ATQ...with a 772LR.. plane will change in BLR...but from a marketing standpo
50 SFO777200LR: Still vacant. I remember a year or two ago I spoke with some big shot at SFO. He said that there are/were two plans for the Old International Termina
51 Legacyins: I don't think it will be this year. There was a rumor that they were starting a route transiting through Frankfurt by the end of this year. It would
52 Jetfuel: Expect a Virgin affiliated Airline from Australia next year too
53 Jacobin777: I know you prefer the quads, but me, I'm into the big twins...just flew on an AA B772ER today.. ....IndyAir as well as WestJet flew to SFO.... ORD/LA
55 Nimish: What's the source of this information? This sounds like another of AI's gazillion random announcements. On a lighter note - Foolish and AI are pretty
56 Superfly: Now why would Emirates come to San Francisco? Is there a demand strong enough to support it?
57 SkyyMaster: Hey, they gotta fly 150+ widebody aircraft on order someplace. Seriously, the same could probably be said for many current or planned destinations. I
58 Superfly: SkyyMaster: Emirates go to Houston for obvious reasons, the oil industry. New York because it's a major financial center and Washington because it's o
59 Legacyins: Air India is not flying to SFO yet. EK has made Dubai into a transit Hub. Who wants to go to Dubai in the middle of summer when the temps reach 130 d
60 Superfly: That what I meant but it looks official. No quad EK quads to SFO? Oh well.
61 AirplaneBoy: Don't forget that Frontier, an official US major carrier under the DOT, has been serving SFO since 1995. AirTran Airways (another US major) and Spiri
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