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User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

Hi everyone,

This question is about the fleet that PHL sees for the two British Airways flights that arrive/depart everyday. Back in the day, BA used to run a 744 and a 773 to/from PHL//LHR. Any chance we will see the 744 back at PHL? I assume that the demand is not high enough to have a 744 in there and that BA does not have an extra 744 to spare? Any chance we will see two T7's this winter?

Also, if anybody has any insight on employment benefits in the USA that BA offers, I would greatly appreciate it. I have accepted a job offer from them at PHL and would like an in-depth analysis of what BA offers you in terms of health insurance, 401k, etc... I know the travel benefits are limited and come into effect only after 6 months of employment.

Thanks guys.

VikingA346 @ PHL


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User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

I don't think BA operates 773s, just 772s. But I doubt you'll see a 744 for a while - Lufthansa doesn't even send a 744 anymore.

If I recall from previous threads, BA seconds a second daily 763, as the PHL route can't support two planes with large premium class sections, especially with US flying to the London metro.

[Edited 2007-08-10 02:01:06]

User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4103 times:

BA never had a 773...


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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Why didn't you just append this to your previous thread?
Anyway, within the last year or so, BA has changed their aircraft strategy to many US destinations, based on the historical numbers of First/Club World class passengers. They reconfigured the 767s for CW.WT only - No F Class and the 777 for F,CW,WT. Cities which could not support F class were downgraded to the 767. PHL was sort of in the middle road and retained one 777 and one was downgraded to a 767. Quite a few cities were downgraded to ONLY a 767, Will BA ever return a 747 to PHL - unlikely, it's a gas hog compared to the 777, unless it has substantial passenger and cargo loads. Also, BA will likely face compettion out of PHL (for the first time) from at least US to LHR after March 2008, so I really don't see them expanding aircraft there unless they have a strategy to start multi-stop (e.g., U.S. 1 - U.S. 2 - LHR) routes after Open Skies starts. Another limiting factor with PHL is that other than a handful of AA (alliance) connections, PHL is mostly O&D. One thing though is that BA evidentally loves Philly - look at the new gate area and great First and Executive Club Lounges they just put in.


User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

Quoting Thering (Reply 2):
BA never had a 773...

My apologies. I know that BA never flew a 773 to PHL, it was a typo  Smile I know that makes a big difference!!

Quoting Vega (Reply 3):
One thing though is that BA evidentally loves Philly - look at the new gate area and great First and Executive Club Lounges they just put in.

Do you think its Philly in particular or an attempt to better the customer care at US airports? Another thing to remember is that BA is located in A-West at PHL, it's a brand new terminal. They probably got a good deal and couldn't resist building a lounge there. There arent that many airports (if any) that are currently being built where BA flies in the US. BA got lucky with PHL and can now better serve their customers thanks to the new terminal. BTW, the terminal is gorgeous.. Anyone been there?

Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 1):
If I recall from previous threads, BA seconds a second daily 763, as the PHL route can't support two planes with large premium class sections

You're probably right. I guess the 744 was an experiment then? Or maybe the loads just used to be higher. That's correct, BA does operate a 772 and a 763 daily.



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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 4):
My apologies. I know that BA never flew a 773 to PHL, it was a typo I know that makes a big difference!!

No probl!!



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User currently offlinePHLstudent From United States of America, joined May 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 4):
Another thing to remember is that BA is located in A-West at PHL

When did they move, when i was at PHL in June is A-east, BA still had signs all over the gate next to midwest.


User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1243 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

Quoting PHLstudent (Reply 6):
Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 4):
Another thing to remember is that BA is located in A-West at PHL

When did they move, when i was at PHL in June is A-east, BA still had signs all over the gate next to midwest.

April 19th or so. They were working on the lounge for like 3 months prior and it's kick ass. With the glazing on the windows, the blue lights in the entrance.


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 3):
Quite a few cities were downgraded to ONLY a 767

Correct me if I'm wrong but the only US city where I can recall a BA 763 ONLY service is DTW. Other markets which can't substain F service are the leisure ones served out of Gatwick on 2-class 772's like TPA, MCO, ATL, etc.



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

I forgot about BWI, ONLY 763  ashamed 


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7534 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Currently BA operates a 772 LHR-PHL, BA067, four days a week (Mon, Tue, Fri, Sat) and a 763, BA069, daily. According to their on-line timetable from 1 October they will operate both flights with 772s, BA067 four days a week (Mon, Thur, Fri, Sat) and BA069 six days a week (daily except Sun).

By the way BA067 will be scheduled to arrive at 2.30pm local time. BA069 at 7.00pm from 1 October. Currently the 763 (BA069) is scheduled to arrive at 7.25pm local time.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

I don't know...looking at the timetables on BA's website, it lists both BA067 and BA069 as daily.

The online BA timetables do show that both BA067 and BA069 operate with a 772 starting October but shows them as daily.


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):
Currently BA operates a 772 LHR-PHL, BA067, four days a week (Mon, Tue, Fri, Sat) and a 763, BA069, daily.

I don't know where you are getting that from. 067 and 069 are both DAILY and always have been.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):
from 1 October they will operate both flights with 772s,

The 772 switch is for the month of October only and it is Daily as always, likely in support of connecting Octoberfest traffic to Germany. LH periodically brings in a 747 during that period also.


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 3):
They reconfigured the 767s for CW.WT only

Umm, unless if confused, all the long haul 767's have CW/WT+ and WT, the only 2 class 767's are euro configs.

They better have 3 cabins, or I have no idea what class I booked someone in the other day


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Quoting Trekster (Reply 13):
Quoting Vega (Reply 3):
They reconfigured the 767s for CW.WT only

Umm, unless if confused, all the long haul 767's have CW/WT+ and WT, the only 2 class 767's are euro configs.

I just ignored the WT+ cabin as not really relevant to the discussion - but just knew after I posted it that an alert UKer would nit pick it  biggrin   biggrin 


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):

Sorry lol, I work for em haha


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7534 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 12):
I don't know where you are getting that from. 067 and 069 are both DAILY and always have been.

Thanks for the correction. You are right. By way of explanation the BA On-line Timetable actual has three screens for, for example, BA067 in August. The screens are identical except for the 'Frequency' data. The first screen gives the frequency as 'Monday Thursday Friday Saturday', the second as 'Tuesday' and the third as 'Wednesday Sunday'. When I checked the data from this source my check was simply not comprehensive enough.

You are alsao correct that the second daily flight is a 772 only in October. In November it reverts to being a 767 but the timings of both flights alter slightly. BA067 departs LHR at 1145 am in August but at 1115 am in November and is scheduled to arrive in PHL at 230 pm in August but only ten minutes earlier at 220 pm in November. Similarly the 763 flight BA069 departs LHR at 415 pm in August, 445 pm in November arriving at 725 pm in August and 820 pm in November. These timings suggest stronger expected head winds in trhe winter months partly compensated for by earlier departure from LHR for BA067.


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 9):
I forgot about BWI, ONLY 763

and IAH.  smile 


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 17):
Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 9):
I forgot about BWI, ONLY 763

and IAH.

IAH is 763 to LHR via DTW, however they have 2xdaily 4-class 772's to LGW soon to be IAH-LHR with the upcoming EU-US open skies



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User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

BA moved to A-West a couple months ago.. however some of their offices are still in A-East... DL will be taking over the space in A-East in October (gates A12-13 and 10) and the old BA tkt counter. One of the BA lounges in A-East is being converted into the new USO.
BA uses a 763 and 772.
LH and AF alternates between a A330 and a A343.

The New BA lounge is their "New" design for all the Clubs. It is split into two identical areas. The Left wing is for "First Class" and has plush seating, better beverages. The Right wing is identical to the left, with less "luxurious" seating, beverages. Nice design, Been in there a few times.

The Airport wanted and forced the international carriers sans US Airways to the "city gates" in A-West and US Airways uses all the A-East gates , except for A-3, 7 and 9 after 2p for the "seasonal" international departures. Its going to be interesting next season with DL, YX, AA, USA3000 and US Airways "seasonal" international flighs operating from A-East.


User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1243 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

Quoting N917ME (Reply 19):
The Airport wanted and forced the international carriers sans US Airways to the "city gates" in A-West and US Airways uses all the A-East gates , except for A-3, 7 and 9 after 2p for the "seasonal" international departures. Its going to be interesting next season with DL, YX, AA, USA3000 and US Airways "seasonal" international flighs operating from A-East.

Actually, we never use 3, 5, 7 or 9. And yes it will be interesting with DL over there  Yeah sure


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 4):
You're probably right. I guess the 744 was an experiment then? Or maybe the loads just used to be higher. That's correct, BA does operate a 772 and a 763 daily.

Putting an aircraft on a particular route is never an experiment. I think that there are destinations that are more profitable for the 744 to fly than PHL.


User currently offlineELTENELEVEN From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

I remember when they flew the L-1011 into PHLBig grin


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User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 12):
LH periodically brings in a 747 during that period also.



Quoting Vega (Reply 12):
LH periodically brings in a 747 during that period also.

US also send an A333 to MUC during that time.


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