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Virgin America- Most Flights Late So Far...  
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10657 times:

I assume this is standard for a new carrier, but checking on the VX sight, most of their flights have been delayed between JFK and SFO (both directions), most of those by more than 30 minutes. The LAX-SFO runs have been a bit better. About 1/2 have been late, but late in the day, which leads me to believe they were awaiting inbound aircraft.

Was this entirely due to JFK weather (despite that usually not impacting morning flights) or is there something else?


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User currently offlineJabar From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10635 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Was this entirely due to JFK weather (despite that usually not impacting morning flights) or is there something else?

I can't say for sure on these specific VX flights but JFK has becoming a total nightmare this summer with delays on the ground inbound (waiting for gates) and outbound (up to 3 hours in the plane waiting to depart)

When I flew in Sunday night from CDG, I chatted with the captain after the flight and he said we were lucky we caught a open gate and that if we hadn't, we would have waited 1h30!!! He also said there were 50 aircrafts waiting for departure when we arrived....

With these circumstances, it becomes completely independant from the airline whether they leave on time or not.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10603 times:

Checking CO's JFK-IAH flights yesterday, they were getting off the gate nearly on time, but arriving progressively later into IAH, so that would confirm the 50 jet wait to depart buildup.

Must suck for VX to start service only to have their entire operation screwed up by JFK. Then again, they chose JFK as their first destination...

EWR looked pretty bad yesterday, too.



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User currently offlineTozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10584 times:

We're talking about Virgin America, VA, right? JFK SFO can be a rough city pair in the Summer (and spring, winter and fall too)


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User currently offlineFrontierflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10546 times:

Most people will probably forget about flt delays after they board those fine looking birds.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10525 times:

Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 4):
Most people will probably forget about flt delays after they board those fine looking birds.

As long as I can order food while I'm on the ground during a long ground delay and use my laptop via the power, I wouldn't care. I do hate the $8 movie crap, but maybe VX can have a policy to give them for free if ordered up during a delay? That would be a real "different" way of doing business.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10510 times:

Virgin America. VA? Everyone is writing VX, so I started doing so. Which is it? I like VA, but VX is the official IATA code.

[Edited 2007-08-10 19:57:11]


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User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10466 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
As long as I can order food while I'm on the ground during a long ground delay and use my laptop via the power, I wouldn't care. I do hate the $8 movie crap, but maybe VX can have a policy to give them for free if ordered up during a delay? That would be a real "different" way of doing business.

i didnt realize that you had to pay for the movies until i read the engadget in depth review of the IFE system. Lame lame lame. I can understand buying food, but movies for 8 bucks a pop? no thanks.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10444 times:

And $2 per simpsons episode. I mean... come on...


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8094 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10391 times:

Well, they fly to LAX, SFO, and JFK, 3 of the most delay-plagued airports in the world. Not surprising!


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10375 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
Well, they fly to LAX, SFO, and JFK, 3 of the most delay-plagued airports in the world. Not surprising!

LAX is not delayed plagued in my experience living here for 8 years. At least not when compared to the other major cities in the USA (Houston, Dallas, New York, Miami, Chicago, Washington, San Fran, Atlanta, etc.). The main delays I've experienced are planes arriving late from other places having left the gate late from those airports.



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User currently offlineShuggie From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10198 times:

Quoting Jabar (Reply 1):
When I flew in Sunday night from CDG, I chatted with the captain after the flight and he said we were lucky we caught a open gate and that if we hadn't, we would have waited 1h30!!! He also said there were 50 aircrafts waiting for departure when we arrived....

And yet everybody on here attacks LHR  eyepopping  ! I'm not defending Heathrow but at least this proves that there are other airports with very serious issues.


User currently offlineMtb555 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10118 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Was this entirely due to JFK weather (despite that usually not impacting morning flights) or is there something else?

0830 to around 1000L is pretty hectic on the taxiways, and is leading to a lot of late arrivals, despite getting off the gate on time. At B6, most of the morning flights are off the gate on time, if not early, but get caught on the taxiway which, while not nearly as bad as it is at night, can run long, causing late arrival. Earlier this week, they lined up the whole length of 13L/31R in the 31 direction and then back in the 13 direction. I really hope traffic control gets a handle on the constant gridlocks at JFK. It's been long enough, and it's only going to get worse.

I gotta tell ya, I saw the VX 320 parked at the hardstand, with the door open. That purple mood lighting filling the windows and doorway before sunrise was quite a sight!  Smile


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8643 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10068 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Virgin America. VA? Everyone is writing VX, so I started doing so. Which is it? I like VA, but VX is the official IATA code.

IATA : VX
ICAO : VRD



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9875 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
Well, they fly to LAX, SFO, and JFK, 3 of the most delay-plagued airports in the world

LAX is far from being a delay-plauged airport.

Matter of fact its the 4th best airport in the nation in ontime departures for the 12 months ending June 2007.
http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/reports/2007/august/200708atcr.pdf

p.s. (SLC,PDX,SAN were the best)



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9772 times:

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 7):
i didnt realize that you had to pay for the movies until i read the engadget in depth review of the IFE system. Lame lame lame. I can understand buying food, but movies for 8 bucks a pop? no thanks.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
And $2 per simpsons episode. I mean... come on...

Come on, VX is an LCC. If you don't want to pay, bring your own iPod Video, portable DVD player, or laptop computer. Or choose a window seat and see the scenery outside.


User currently offlineEvers From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9727 times:

listen to JFK ATC, its insane at peak times. i would hate to be one of the controllers there. those delays dont really suprise me.

http://www.liveatc.net/topfeeds.php

first post w00t :P


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9727 times:

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 15):
Come on, VX is an LCC. If you don't want to pay, bring your own iPod Video, portable DVD player, or laptop computer. Or choose a window seat and see the scenery outside.

Charging above market rates is not cool.

99 cents for a 22 minute TV episode would be alright, as would be $5 for a movie.

But $8 is more than pay per view or a video store rental. $1.99 is the price of a video episode you can have forever, not just one flight.



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9617 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Charging above market rates is not cool.

I agree with you. But it also happens anywhere else. How about ridiculously expensive drinks in the hotels' mini bars? If you want free food and entertainment, you can fly full-fare airlines.


User currently offlinePapaNovember From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9557 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 13):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Virgin America. VA? Everyone is writing VX, so I started doing so. Which is it? I like VA, but VX is the official IATA code.

IATA : VX
ICAO : VRD

The cursor cheat on VX is coming up as "ACES (Columbia)"???


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9519 times:

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 18):
I agree with you. But it also happens anywhere else. How about ridiculously expensive drinks in the hotels' mini bars? If you want free food and entertainment, you can fly full-fare airlines.

If I don't want to pay that, I can step out of the hotel and go someplace.

If I stepped out of an airplane, while it might please some grumpy a.netters, it probably wouldn't be good for my longterm health.

But again, above MARKET rates. Hotels all generally overcharge for stuff, and the more expensive the hotel, the more they charge.

But VX is charging more than competitors for entertainment. Thus their fees are above market. If DL, for example, also charged $8 for a movies, then maybe there's a point there. But they charge $5. As does B6. And other carriers with AVOD don't charge anything...



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User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9516 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
Well, they fly to LAX, SFO, and JFK, 3 of the most delay-plagued airports in the world. Not surprising

Yes, SFO and JFK are delay-plagued as is EWR and sometimes ORD when the weather is bad. But LAX is the opposite of delay-prone due to its efficient layout of 4 parallel runways (although ORD will have that luxury eventually). As Laxintl mentioned, it ranks toward the top of major airports in the US in terms of on-time performance. Of course it helps when the weather there is ideal most of the time. ATL, DFW, DEN, DTW, IAH, and I think MCO also have 4 parallel runways, but aren't as "on-time" as LAX due to inferior weather conditions much of the time.


User currently onlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3581 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9475 times:

Quoting 747fan (Reply 21):
ATL, DFW, DEN, DTW, IAH, and I think MCO also have 4 parallel runways, but aren't as "on-time" as LAX due to inferior weather conditions much of the time.

ATL has 5 parallel runways.


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9392 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
If I don't want to pay that, I can step out of the hotel and go someplace.

If you don't want to pay 8 bucks per movie, you can

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 15):
bring your own iPod Video, portable DVD player, or laptop computer



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
If I stepped out of an airplane, while it might please some grumpy a.netters, it probably wouldn't be good for my longterm health.

:D Good sense of humor.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
But VX is charging more than competitors

What's wrong when a company is charging more than its competitors? It's not illegal. In this case, there's no obligation for anybody to watch movies on VX and moreover, there's no obligation to fly them in the first place.


User currently offlineBlueSkys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8817 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
But $8 is more than pay per view or a video store rental. $1.99 is the price of a video episode you can have forever, not just one flight.

I challenge you to find a Blockbuster at FL310....  Wink


I do agree though, 8 dollars a movie is a bit lame. Maybe even Very...


25 Post contains images Ikramerica : LAX has a lot of things going for it leading to few delays. Parallel runways that have consistent winds. And when they happen to shift, the just rever
26 MattMSP767 : Come on people... if you dont want to pay 2 dollars for a show, then dont buy it. No one is holding a gun to your head. At least you have the option t
27 WNCrew : Once the aircraft has left the gate it is then considered a "secure" cabin and thus FA's are not permitted to bring carts out into the aisles. They c
28 Mandala499 : What next? Pay $1 to use the onboard toilet? LOL Oh dear, did I just give some executive an idea? Mandala499
29 Bkircher : Also remember that the prices "may" come down once the airline starts making regular money and is more stable. The prices do seem high, but name one o
30 PlanenutzTB : Please define the phrase "most flights late"? VA, VX, whatever, who cares has not even completed two full days of regular scheduled service between tw
31 ANother : I'd be more worried if they all charged the same price ... New operation, newish business model. I think, from their perspective, they are pricing th
32 Post contains images SANFan : Thank you for proving my point, Laxintl: you see VX, if you'd started out connecting SFO and SAN, you wouldn't be having these delays! So come on now
33 M404 : $8 movies - And you expected them to make up for the low fares, HOW ?[Edited 2007-08-11 10:18:39]
34 ThePRGuy : Brand new airline, what do you expect?
35 Sevenair : Honestly, its embarassing listening to you all pick tiny little faults. Face it, the ONE AND ONLY problem most of you guys have is that it is an "outs
36 LH417AF025 : i thought the tv was free on VX? or just not the ondemand tv?
37 Nonfirm : Yuo are right because it threatans jobs.
38 Post contains links Afterburner : Please don't start making this thread to be a thread that arguing whether or not VX is a foreign airline threatening the existing airlines like this l
39 Post contains images 777fan : I doubt that. No channel nine to pass the time while on the ground?! Forget it. It wouldn't make a difference if I were sitting in the most comfortab
40 RICARIZA : Yes, but the IATA code is VX; I know the cursor says ACES(Colombia) but it is a defunct airline so I guess IATA assigned that code to Virgin America.
41 SandroZRH : Why argue? They're not gonna change their business model because of you. If you don't like it, don't fly them. Other people will happily take your pl
42 Post contains images Ikramerica : Rather than "guess" why not read? i work for no airline at all. And I asked a SIMPLE question about WHY the flights were late, and it is because of J
43 AirNZ : Just to remind you then, none........exactly the same as none in the US either. How come? If American's are being employed how are are jobs threatene
44 AirNZ : Ah! I forgot Air Berlin......which incidently was founded by an American in the USA!!!!
45 AirNZ : Would you like reminded of Ryanair as well?
46 BestWestern : Well, Virgin Atlantic is the UK's worst punctuality airline -what can you expect...
47 Azhobo : No, it is JFK. It is the worst airport in the US for on time dep/arr. I have flown two routes through JFK this past 2 weeks. PHX - JFK -LGW and PHX -
48 AirNZ : Another reminder which I was hoping you'd get on your own....Aer Lingus.
49 BestWestern : Ryanair Aer Lingus Air Berlin VLM Thats four for you....
50 Post contains images JetBluefan1 : I still think it's too early to tell how successful VA will be in terms of operations, but one thing's for sure - their flight status page on virginam
51 LHRBlueSkies : Please, do explain this posting! Most interesting... he ha...good one...or 2!!! I was gonna say, anything Virgin touch gets delayed, planes, trains a
52 Azhobo : Gee, you think I was serious? Maybe stated another way. "Avoid JFK at all costs. They should just level that place so they can build a modern efficie
53 Post contains images ANother : Excuse me, That's the code for one of our cantons - Vaud. We've got another BS - Basle city (or Stadt) A lot of (american) tourists like to drive up
54 Rdwelch : I'm sorry, but the 10 y/o in me says you have to post a picture. Please.... Gus.
55 Post contains links Azhobo : 2007 airport on time rankings http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_..._tables/2007_06/html/table_04.html Anyone airline who uses JFK, Laguardia, or New
56 Post contains links Laxintl : I think the ontime Departure ranking is more appropriate as it reflects airport specific performance better. http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_..._
57 Azhobo : Actually the two are nearly equivalent in their meaning. One is not necessarily more important than the other. In a flight from ATL to BOS this past
58 Ikramerica : Well, just about every JFK-SFO flight has been delayed for VS since the start (both directions). And every day it's cascading into the SFO-LAX-SFO tur
59 ScrubbsYWG : i was just surprised with all the virgin america stuff i read on here, that i dont remember reading that all the inlfight entertainment that was so re
60 BlueSkys : How so? Its American Pilots, American FA's, American AME's etc.... that are working for the company. Its creating jobs. If your going to think of a v
61 Post contains images Tozairport : Roger that, thank you. I was wondering why a Columbian airline was doing all this SFO-JFK flying!
62 Ikramerica : We won't know until they start normal pricing, not launch pricing. Into the future for SFO-JFK, it seems the lowest price is $278 R/T plus tax, which
63 Post contains images Nonfirm : They are not creating some of the jobs that are harder to get and that would be maintenance they hired a contractor.They also hired a contractor to h
64 Post contains images Afterburner : How come? Care to explain? Competition is never good for anyone who can't compete fairly.  [Edited 2007-08-12 11:32:43]
65 Post contains images LHRBlueSkies : Oh, I'm sorry...Dear VX, please can you ensure that any and all staff you hire or sub-contract jobs to are paid the highest wages possible, given the
66 F9Animal : I was kind of shocked to learn that VX was targeting SFO. I have no issues with SFO, except for the winter months..FOG.. FLOW CONTROL.... I wish them
67 AirNZ : Sorry, what exactly are you talking about? Irrespective of who actually hires who to do a particular piece of work, that is creating jobs. If that's
68 Dxborbust : Just flew VX0851 SFO-LAX today, August 12. Virgin America exceeded my wildest dreams. It was the highlight of my five day trip (or did that go without
69 Ikramerica : Have they revised their schedule to no longer be late? Or is it the weak jetstream? The reason I ask is I noticed that now they are still leaving JFK
70 Azhobo : Not a jetstream issue. JFK is just so bad for being on time that they have 1+ hour built in to the posted flight times to cover sitting on the ground
71 Ikramerica : Then it's changed, because last week, they were leaving the gate nearly on time and getting in late, but now they are leaving the gate late and getti
72 Azhobo : My flight was a few weeks ago through JFK, so i cant vouce for before then. The pilot did say it was unusual to leave on time over the past few month
73 LGA777 : For those who are fans of live ATC websites JFK ground late afternoons and early-mid evening is probalby the most entertaing ATC freq to listen to in
74 Ikramerica : especially since they take your personal player away on AA before landing for no reason I can see. wouldn't these have to be FAA certified to be dist
75 Zeke : I saw a report in newsweek recently, it said 68% of all flights in the USA are late, seems industry wide problem.
76 FLYGUY767 : Dont single out JFK.. The same practice is done with flights from EWR, LGA, BOS, PHL, DCA, ORD, DFW, and ATL -JD
77 Azhobo : I dont know about all the others. The only ones I have frequented is Atlanta, and I have never had a problem there, and EWR many years ago, and that
78 BoeingBoy : International arrivals take precedence at JFK and domestic departures have the inane ability to schedule them at the same time. When 40 heavies are 3
79 FLYGUY767 : You may want to check the June stats for Newark.. -JD
80 Post contains links Azhobo : My mistake, delays longer than 3 HOURS. JFK was twice as many as Newark. LaGuardia was third worst. My main point in this thread was that Any new air
81 FLYGUY767 : Virgin America has a hub at SFO, not JFK.. -JD
82 Mirrodie : And why are you equally obligated to convince us $8.00 is unfair? Considering a motion picture in the movie houses is now $9.50 and we have to deal w
83 Ikramerica : whatever man. If you think paying $8 for a movie that's left the theaters (some are 20+ years old) and watching it on a 10" tiny screen (while EVERYO
84 Post contains images Mirrodie : Not sure why you feel it's my "problem." It's a win-win. And I don't have to justify that to you. Neither me nor the users have to show you anything.
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