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Why No Glass Jetbridges In The US?  
User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 21097 times:

It seems weird that even at new terminals like MIA's J Concourse, JFK T9, SFO, etc, there are not glass jetways. Any regulation on this? Such a shame as it's a bit of an eyesore on the newer terminals.

Cheers
Coal


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 21084 times:

Why would there be a regulation? Im sure there are some.

User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 21062 times:

As with everything else in the U.S., it probably comes down to a function of costs. While I agree that glass may be more aesthetically pleasing, there may be underlying operational reasons that make metal bridges a better choice for the bottom line.

I don't believe there are any regulations which prohibit glass.

Picarus


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 21029 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
Im sure there are some

Nope

Quoting Picarus (Reply 2):
As with everything else in the U.S., it probably comes down to a function of costs. While I agree that glass may be more aesthetically pleasing, there may be underlying operational reasons that make metal bridges a better choice for the bottom line.

Do you think steel boxes are cheaper than glass? Methinks not. Plus, with that reasoning they would just make all terminals a big warehouse.

There's gotta be another reason.

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 21029 times:
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Well, I just think it hasn't been done yet, or like Picarus said, because of costs. The glass structure at CDG was a terminal right? Or was it sky bridge? (Now, I don't think developers are fearing a terrible collapse as it happened in France, but they probably just haven't really wanted to build such a structure.)


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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3590 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20981 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 3):
Do you think steel boxes are cheaper than glass? Methinks not.

Methinks you would be wrong. Glass jetways are more expensive than the traditional jetways. FMC makes both types.

Here is a link

http://www.fmctechnologies.com/Airpo...ridges/ApronDrive/GlassBridge.aspx

Here is the quote that sums it up from their web site:

"Best of all, while delivering the total performance that has made Jetway Boarding Bridges the world's leader, the Glass Bridge option is much less expensive than its impressive looks might suggest."

Translation: "Yes they are more expensive, but not so much more expensive as they used to be, and look how pretty!"


User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20969 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 3):
Do you think steel boxes are cheaper than glass? Methinks not. Plus, with that reasoning they would just make all terminals a big warehouse.

Actually, yes, I do. I can guarantee you that the metal boxes are cheaper than glass to acquire and maintain. There's no conclusion to be made about bridges vs. terminals. They serve entirely different purposes.

Picarus


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20773 times:

The reason is due to NFPA 415, Airport Terminal Buildings , Fueling Ramp Drainage, and Loading Walkways which prohibits glass except for a window in the ramp access door and a window in the cab to move the jetty. This is beacuse jetties are used as an evacuation route. From the NFPA themselves:

“The Committee’s intent of paragraph 6.2.4 has always been to restrict the use of glass and transparent or translucent materials in the passenger loading walkways to the minimum required for safe operation of the walkway. One of the main concerns is the psychological impact of people being able to see the flames and smoke, potentially negatively impacting the evacuation of the aircraft.”

An idea has been to use some sort of fixed-foam fire fighting system in glass jetties, but as far as I know, glass jetties are still banned in the US. Seems a little pointless to me, but there you go.

Edit: I think some people owe Coal an apology.

[Edited 2007-08-12 14:30:49]

User currently offlineSwissa330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20685 times:

and it's more expensive to maintain as well.
Glass has to be cleaned every now and then, as we all now from our appartment windos. So does metal probably, but only to prevent corrosion etc, not to 'look shiny'



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User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20608 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 10):
The reason is due to NFPA 415, Airport Terminal Buildings , Fueling Ramp Drainage, and Loading Walkways which prohibits glass except for a window in the ramp access door and a window in the cab to move the jetty. This is beacuse jetties are used as an evacuation route.

I'm curious, it appears the NFPA not affiliated with any government entity, so it appears adoption of the codes is voluntary and enforcement is jurisdictional. Correct? Then is it possible that a airport could indeed install glass jetbridges if it's governing jurisdiction did not adopt the codes in question?

I'm not looking for a fight, but rather discussion on whether there is truly any regulatory reasons why an airport does not install glass bridges within the U.S.

Picarus


User currently offlinePaparadzi From Malaysia, joined Jan 2005, 202 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20572 times:

From a flight crew point of view, a glass jetway lets the crew to see the passangers before they board the aircraft. Any suspicious movement can be monitored from the cockpit, not to mention that you can monitor the progress of the boarding process too.


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User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20557 times:

Quoting Paparadzi (Reply 17):
a glass jetway lets the crew to see the passangers before they board the aircraft. Any suspicious movement can be monitored from the cockpit, not to mention that you can monitor the progress of the boarding process too.

You gotta be kiddin', right!? Firstly only the PIC would be able to see the jetbridge. Secondly, surely they hav ebetter things to do, such as pre-flight checks. Thirdly, only useful for checkin out the young females boarding the flight (or males for those female PIC's!), and even then, the cockpit doorway is better, unless you're on a 747!



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User currently offlineNitrohelper From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 469 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20461 times:

Quoting Picarus (Reply 16):
I'm curious, it appears the NFPA not affiliated with any government entity, so it appears adoption of the codes is voluntary and enforcement is jurisdictional. Correct?

The NFPA codes are incorporated into building codes by reference. The NFPA is used by all the national building codes. A second issue is that you will find it very difficult to get fire insurance coverage for your facility if it doesn't conform to NFPA standards.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20451 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 3):
Do you think steel boxes are cheaper than glass?

Glass wall JetBridges are about 30% higher in cost than corrugated metal.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20451 times:

Quoting Picarus (Reply 16):
I'm curious, it appears the NFPA not affiliated with any government entity, so it appears adoption of the codes is voluntary and enforcement is jurisdictional. Correct? Then is it possible that a airport could indeed install glass jetbridges if it's governing jurisdiction did not adopt the codes in question?

I'm not looking for a fight, but rather discussion on whether there is truly any regulatory reasons why an airport does not install glass bridges within the U.S.

IIRC, there's nothing in Part 139 that prohibits glass jetways. However, the Part 139 Best Practises suggests NFPA compliance, and remember that NFPA codes are developed under ANSI codes.

There are other reasons why airports would choose to adhere to NFPA codes. Insurers will often demand it, or put premiums up if airports don't comply, union issues can crop up, and airports would have a tough time defending themselves from criminal and civil cases should the worst happen.


User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20440 times:

Hmm…standing in a glass tube in the middle of August in ATL, IAH, MIA, DFW, etc…
I vote no.


User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20389 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 23):
standing in a glass tube in the middle of August

Hmmm...wonderful new contraption...air conditioning!!!!



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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20337 times:

Oh yeah, silly me. I forgot about air conditioning.  
I only live in the part of the world where the AC is blasting 24/7 10 months of the year. AC is not cheap, and glass tubes don’t make it any cheaper.

[Edited 2007-08-12 16:16:18]

User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20286 times:

In YVR...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/JetwayAtVancouverBC.jpg/800px-JetwayAtVancouverBC.jpg

Thweeeeeettt!



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20264 times:
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Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 23):
Hmm…standing in a glass tube in the middle of August in ATL, IAH, MIA, DFW, etc…
I vote no.

Standing in a steel box is no better. The difference is you can insulate that steel box much better than you can the glass tube.



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User currently offlinePAHS200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20265 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
Why would there be a regulation?

because it the USA....  Wink

Quoting Coal (Thread starter):
Such a shame as it's a bit of an eyesore on the newer terminals.

it is...and we can't look out of them

michael


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20258 times:

Quoting Picarus (Reply 16):
I'm curious, it appears the NFPA not affiliated with any government entity, so it appears adoption of the codes is voluntary and enforcement is jurisdictional. Correct? Then is it possible that a airport could indeed install glass jetbridges if it's governing jurisdiction did not adopt the codes in question?

As others have pointed out, while the NFPA is not directly affiliated with a governmental entity (they are a non-profit independent org) their "model codes" like the National Electric Code [NEC], the National Life Safety Code [NLSC], etc. are adopted by reference or as ammended by a large number of jurisdictions, frequently at the state level as well [for example, California's California Electric Code [CEC] is based almost entirely on the previous NEC].

Even when it's not a code requirement (or a requirement not enforced by the Authority Having Jurisdiction*) insurance companies often require compliance with the stricter/"more safe" of either local code or the NFPA model code.

And even when it's not required locally or by the insurer, "ignoring" a NFPA model code may have liability implications should an unfourtunate event occur -- i.e. in this case the argument could be made that the airport should have reasonably known that using a glass jet bridge would slow evacuation, and therefore the death/injury/mental trauma was due to their neglegence by using a glass jet bridge rather than a metal one (or something like that, I'm not a lawyer - I just read caselaw).

But hey, I wouldn't mind seeing a glass jetway either...

Lincoln

*- In most NFPA codes the AHJ is, in escence, free to waive any regulation or to require something over and above the regulation



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20178 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 23):
Hmm…standing in a glass tube in the middle of August in ATL, IAH, MIA, DFW, etc…
I vote no.

The glass used in those jetways is double paned and insulated. From the link to FMC's page on Glass Bridges:

Quote:
At the same time, double-pane glass with argon fill is available to reduce condensation and thermal transfer, adding real-world practicality to aesthetic beauty.

Most residential and commercial windows on the market these day are similar and help reduce energy costs. Although they would have to make sure the roll-up door at the end of the jetway is pulled down when the jetway is not in use (that way they can properly cool the jetway.

Most airports would probably never go for them as they really don't go with the terminal architecture.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20078 times:
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Quoting Srbmod (Reply 30):
The glass used in those jetways is double paned and insulated.

Isn't physics easier when you can just ignore all that pesky science, particularly in this case greenhouse effect!!

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/grnhse.html



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20056 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 23):
Hmm…standing in a glass tube in the middle of August in ATL, IAH, MIA, DFW, etc…
I vote no.

Why would you be standing in the jetway? You're in it for about 10 seconds, tops! Oh way, you're an A.netter  wink 

Cheers
Coal



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25 Glareskin : And still modern glass with reflecting surfaces might reduce heating in the jet bridge better than the practically non-insulated steel bridges. Of co
26 Post contains links Srbmod : " target=_blank>http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu....html Car windows and greenhouse windows typically aren't double paned and insulated like the w
27 Cloudboy : WIthi a giant moving long tube of glass panels, god knows how many poor jetway "drivers" and all the stresses a jetway goes through, do those glass je
28 Zenarcade : From reading previous threads I was under the impression that jet-bridges are the airlines responsibility. American carriers may not want to shell out
29 Post contains images 102IAHexpress : Still would be warmer than a conventional steel jet bridge. If the jetbridge was constructed out of electric translucent glass maybe it could it be c
30 Jsnww81 : I've often wondered this myself. Which each new terminal that opens in the US, I keep hoping that maybe some glass jetways will appear. I've used them
31 Post contains images Zenarcade : Double sided advertising with adverts for pilots.
32 ZANL188 : Unfortunately those reflecting surfaces and coatings defeat the architectural point of using glass in a jetway - transparency. You're still ignoring
33 Luisca : All of the jetways and terminal are glass at PTY, were average temperatures are in the 30s and it is hot all year. Even if it is more costly the term
34 Tdscanuck : You couldn't carry jetway loads through the windows. You'd need a metal (steel) truss structure to handle the loads and flexible mounting between the
35 Post contains images B52overSMF : It could also be just so that the passengers can't see the usually dirty dirty workings that go on underneath the terminal building or all the rampers
36 Flyabunch : From my own experience, jet bridges in the U.S. all look like they are cleaned about once a year if that. If they had glass wall panels, there would b
37 InnocuousFox : Of course, we could simply put windows in them.
38 DfwRevolution : And maybe that's all a terminal should be. Airports have become shrines where the local government spends millions of dollars of taxpayer money for e
39 San747 : ONT has 4 of them now- gates 205, 206, 405, and 406. They're actually extensions of the original jetways due to new TSA screening areas being built un
40 Jcded : Ontario (ONT )airport in California has glass jet bridges. jc
41 PPVRA : Don't forget metal is more ramp rash resistant. Yup, especially when you've got something like 100 (just a guess) jet bridges to maintain in ATL, for
42 Airportplan : ATL actually has closer to 200 gates. So yes, it is a no brainer to have cheaper, easier to maintain steel bridges.
43 SJC4Me : Yes and I think they justified the expense because they are trying to compete with LAX for business. Of course people aren't going to use ONT because
44 Glareskin : You can hardly see the material that I mean. It is hardly influencing the transparency. It is available as sticker material for retrofitting. The eff
45 Lincoln : Where (which terminal/gates)...? When I've flown through ONT we've boarded through standard bridges.... still a step up from the old ONT terminal in
46 LHRBlueSkies : You've obviously never used a jetbridge!! ha ha..maybe in the states, where airlines lease the terminals...but over here in Europe they remain the pr
47 Sllevin : You have to spend money to keep glass clean, and it's also a bear to cool since it's fundamentally a greenhouse. In MIA...holy moly. Steve
48 Poitin : So, why should the airport owners put money into glass jetways if they are just going to be use to let passengers walk from the terminal to the airpl
49 San747 : Note my previous response- Both terminal 2 and 4, and the gates listed above.
50 OB1504 : But they would add some natural light, at least. Many times, the airport is the first thing a visitor to a city/state/country/etc sees, so you want i
51 JamesJimlb : seriously guys, glass jetways or not, it doesn't matter, all it is, is the gateway to your plane. who cares if for 1 minute before you get on a very
52 Flyabunch : If cities in the U.S. really cared about first impressions for visitors, do you think that some of our fine airports would have been let go the way t
53 Post contains links Paneuropean : Last week AMS installed a glass Jetbridge at the C concourse. It's a three months expiriment and after that, they will decide of more will be installe
54 Lincoln : Sorry, didn't see your reply. Since you noted that they're extensions of existing jetways, how much is actually glass? I assume it's just the extenti
55 Post contains images San747 : No problem The glass section of the jetway is only the extension. They added the glass extension and simply moved the original jetway out about 100 f
56 N776AU : I actually like covered jetbridges. I just like the feeling of it, then turning the corner, looking out the small window(s), and then seeing your airc
57 Qblue : Airports spend money to attract airlines and passengers to travel through them. The airport is the first impression pax get of a city or the new count
58 Coal : Ever heard of first impressions? Erm... Steel jetways are made of carbon steel, not stainless steel. Hence they need to be constantly painted ("coate
59 Cloudboy : I'm telling you guys - it's all just part of the evil plan. No windows on jet bridges, they are now asking passengers to keep the blinds closed, dwind
60 Lincoln : Yeah, but you're making a couple assumptions there -- that may or may not be correct -- 1) The airport/airline actually cares about preventing rust 2
61 Post contains links and images Halls120 : Really? How often are those jetbridges painted???? I've been flying out of IAD and DCA for the last 16 years. I don't believe the jetbridges have eve
62 Panman : All steel has carbon in it i believe.
63 RFields5421 : Ever visited any of the new homes in developments in the DFW area recently. Feel the heat coming off their triple pane windows - on the inside with t
64 F16arm : I belive that ACY had some installed, (it's been a while since I've been there but I think the DL gate has um)
65 Post contains links and images NADC10Fan : , you do. In probably the hottest of the bunch! I invite you to view post 43, if you please ... And another comparable tropical location with glass -
66 ONTFlyer : Do you know if 403 and 404 are going to be getting them. I seem to recall construction around one of those gates recently?
67 Centrair : Neither Kansai or Chek Lap Kok have glass bridges (that I can remember..thought for sure HKG had them). NGO and ICN do. NGO has done quite well with
68 LACA773 : It was a nice surprise to arrive in GDL & PVR on different trips to find glass jetways there! I was surprised. They look great and after reading the l
69 Glareskin : Yeah sure, that's what they thought in Minneapolis for the bridge..... If you look at the movie that is posted by Paneuropean (see below) you can hea
70 Post contains links and images Phatfarmlines : Looks like LGA had them once upon a time. View Large View MediumPhoto © George W. Hamlin View Large View MediumPhoto © Art Brett - Photovati
71 Indy : The airport is often a city's first chance to make an impression on a visitor. The question is do you want the impression to start the moment they ste
72 Post contains images Coal : Erm... well if they care for the jetways not to crumble They need to be coated or galvanized to prevent rust Yes, but carbon steel is usually alloyed
73 Zippyjet : Glass jet bridges would be cool looking but, not cool. Not cool in the sense, of temperature. Glass unless it is extremely tinted is not practical at
74 Post contains images Halls120 : You put glass bridges at IAD or JFK, I guarantee you that whatever nice first impression the glass airbridges give, it will be erased by the rest of
75 Airbazar : No, not at all. I simply meant to point out that in the US, in general people are not willing to pay much for aesthetics. Just look around. Well, it
76 Post contains images NADC10Fan : Fair enough ... comment withdrawn!!! (Earthquakes ... ) I was about to say ... it seems fairly well established that the cost aspect is definitely in
77 Coal : Galvanized once. Coated many times. Cheers Coal
78 Halls120 : True. The new terminal at DCA and the Main terminal at IAD are impressive structures, and pleasant to look at. The C and D terminals at IAD, are, by
79 Post contains images Airbazar : Sorry, that didn't come out right either What i meant to say is, just look at how hard it is to convince tax payers for things like improved school b
80 Post contains images Coal : I sell Iron ore, metallurgical coal, and manganese ores and alloys for a living. Trust me. I know. Cheers Coal
81 Post contains links and images LH423 : How long do you plan on spending on them? Having boarded fully-loaded 747s, the maximum wait-time I've seen in normal circumstances is about 3 minute
82 Halls120 : Good for you. How about posting some actual evidence to support your claims other than "trust me, I know" that a steel jet bridge can last for 10 yea
83 Post contains images Coal : I didn't say it could last ten years with only an initial painting. You did Cannot find the evidence on your own, now can you? Are you a lawyer by an
84 Halls120 : In response to your yet to be substantiated claim that that jet bridges need constant painting. Remember this - "Hence they need to be constantly pai
85 Post contains images Coal : Since you're the one putting words in my mouth, at least be consistent as to which ones you do put in there How convenient not to include your name o
86 Indy : So you have pretty jet bridges to look at while you are trapped on the plane for many hours too. "I'd be pissed sitting on this plane for 5 hours if
87 Post contains images Halls120 : Be glad to. Here are your exact words. So, when can we expect to see your evidence that supports the above claim? Reply #79. If you still can't find
88 Zippyjet : Those glass jet ways are way cool looking but, if the MAA ever put them in, maybe when our grandchildren are having kids, the passengers deplaning wou
89 Post contains images NADC10Fan : Now, children ... there's no reason to be uncivil in Civil Av, is there? Interestingly, I did a quick Google search but couldn't find any stats either
90 Post contains images Halls120 : I found the same thing you did. the closest example I could find was the article on painting sea containers. And as far as being civil, I've been exc
91 AirNZ : Valid points, and each taken....however I still don't see the problem in anyone asking a simple question and it has nothing to do with knowing what y
92 Post contains images Halls120 : All I'm trying to do is point out the OP is making a claim for which he hasn't posted any documentation in support of, and attempting to pass it off
93 RFields5421 : I really doubt there is a structural difference between the glass and steel jet bridges as far as their load carrying capacity, or ability to stand up
94 LHRBlueSkies : Agreed. Oh please. Would you call the rcent bridge that collapsed in the US 'showy architecture'? I think not. Pot - kettle - black. Bang on - excell
95 Halls120 : If I could afford the acquisition, operating and maintenance costs, I'd opt for the glass, of course.
96 Ha763 : Well, the Interisland Terminal at HNL has been open for about 12 years now and the jetways have never been repainted. In fact, in the 7 years since I
97 ADent : Have you seen the new RJ wing on B concourse at DIA (aka KDEN)? Exposed cinder block and no ceiling (there is a roof, but the ceiling is just the und
98 NADC10Fan : Just got back from IND, where they're building an all-new, two pier midfield terminal and concourse set, with a very nice and modern glass constructio
99 Post contains images PC12Fan : Next time you're in STL, just take a look at those beauties on D concourse.
100 777236ER : And also from aircraft attached to them.
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