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When Did VS Get Rid Of The Flag Carrying Lady?  
User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Ok it's been several occasions where I have seen VS arrive SFO, but by the cockpit the young lady carrying the British flag is no more. The aircraft I saw today was G-VHOT and she didn't have it on her. I also haven't seen it on the "other" VS 747's (but cant be sure of the other regs since I am spotting from my office window). I looked in the database but could not find one that did not have the lady upfront except for G-VFAB (that's of course she's in the birthday scheme). Can anyone else confirm what my eyes keeps on seeing with VS or are my eyes playing some pretty good tricks on me.  Confused


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So what I see is identical to G-VFAB in the front but the tail scheme is identical to G-VHOT just to point out what I see.

Does anyone know why she's going away?

-Stealth

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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5109 times:

The new VS livery currently includes the "flag carrying lady", as you put it.


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User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Have to say that I have not seen a VS lady without the flag except VFAB with the birthday flag. And what a beautiful sight she is! Anyone with a latest shot may atest to your info but have to say all the girls I see have the flag flying.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

The livery on G-VFAB was a one-off special "Birthday Girl" livery celebrating the airline's 21st birthday. The rest of the fleet maintains the Vargas Girl pinup in the usual location on the fuselage.

User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4839 times:

Alright Just saw G-VHOT (got the reg from passur) taxi out. The lady is missing and from I can see with the sun reflecting on the body, It has been painted over and it also appears the titles have changed slightly. I wonder if she's the next one to be repainted into the new livery, or maybe she was going to be but becuase of the needed capacity they are going to wait until the summer season is over. So I saw it twice today and both sides did not have the lady. someone catch her on her arrival tomorrow (Aug. 14) at LHR and prove I am not going crazy..

-stealth


User currently offlineFlytuitravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4699 times:

Her names Tinkerbelle.....
I think.. LOL


FLYTUITRAVEL.


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5178 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

I remember reading a while ago that there were a few issues with virgin wanting to start flights to the middle east, as the lady on the fuselage would be seen as offensive over there.

Perhaps virgin has a couple of aircraft without the lady, which are used for service to such countries?



That'll teach you
User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

VS were told to remove the lady as it was thought to be offensive.

User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1514 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

I flew -VHOT a couple weeks ago EWR-LHR-EWR... there was no lady present on either side of the aircraft.


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User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Thank you VGNATL. I knew I wasn't losing my mind or sight. crazy  Just surprised it took this long to validate what I saw.

User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

Quoting Revo (Reply 7):
VS were told to remove the lady as it was thought to be offensive.

Let's hope G-VFAB is never subbed onto a Middle Eastern flight, then!  duck 


User currently offlineSevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

G-VHOT has been missing the flying lady decals for a good couple of months now. It is the only aircraft (except for G-VFAB which is still in the one-off birthday girl livery) without it and there are no plans (that I know of) to actively remove her from the fleet.

G-VHOT did have the profile of the flying lady painted over in a union jack design for a relief flight to Basra a couple of years back but this is unrelated. I believe they were removed for some kind of maintainence/skin inspection and new ones have yet to be applied.

Regards



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineTrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Quoting Revo (Reply 7):
VS were told to remove the lady as it was thought to be offensive.

How can it be offensive? After all its not as though she's completely naked.

D.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

I saw G-VHOT the other day at JFK and was wondering the same thing:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k170/swfshots/virginatlantic744jfk.jpg

And by the way, thanks for linking to my G-VFAB shot! Big grin



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 6):
I remember reading a while ago that there were a few issues with virgin wanting to start flights to the middle east, as the lady on the fuselage would be seen as offensive over there.

Well they certainly don't mind her in Dubai !!.

IIRC that is one of the reasons VS chose not to fly to Saudi Arabia after BA pulled out, despite being asked to by the British Government, as they were not prepared to remove the Varga Girl from the aircraft.

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineScott0305 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Sad. It's not like it is a swastica or anything. Would any of the US airlines remove the US flag if it were offensive to any middle easterners while on the ground there....I think not. Put the girl back and stop being silly.

User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Quoting Scott0305 (Reply 15):
Put the girl back and stop being silly

Woah easy there tiger. Did you not read the whole thread, or in particular the reply posted by SevenHeavy ?.

 Wink



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineScott0305 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 16):
Woah easy there tiger. Did you not read the whole thread, or in particular the reply posted by SevenHeavy ?.

I did but I also read reply 7 by Revo.

Perhaps I should rephrase. If it is indeed the case that the lady has been removed because she is seen to be offensive in places where oppresive regimes limit the rights of women then VS should put her back. If it is just a maintenance thing then I withdraw my comment.


User currently offlineSevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

Quoting Revo (Reply 7):
VS were told to remove the lady as it was thought to be offensive.

Not true. May I ask your source?

As previously pointed out VS fly into the Middle east, Africa and India and do not experience any issues with the current (or any previous) livery.

As I said it was essentially a maintainence issue, nothing more.

Regards



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

so does that mean she'll be next to be painted into the new scheme?

User currently offlineAnglo2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Go on Virgin keep the girl and sod those who find it offensive. I suppose next the female crew members will have to cover up from head to to just keep every one happy.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 14):
IIRC that is one of the reasons VS chose not to fly to Saudi Arabia after BA pulled out, despite being asked to by the British Government, as they were not prepared to remove the Varga Girl from the aircraft.

VS did cover up the Flag Carrying Lady when flying to Basra for a special charter. They simply put a decal over it with the Union Jack.

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