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Why No UAX or American Eagle Service ORD-ERI?  
User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

It seems that this is a route the MQ or United Express could make work at least 2x daily to ORD. How come this market is left to NW and (DL)?

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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7563 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

Primarily due to slot constraints at ORD.....they can make better use of flying other routes.
There are a number of cities in the Northeast/Ohio Valley/Mid-Atlantic that UA and/or AA do not serve from ORD that they arguably could make work if they had the slots and/or aircraft.


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

Unfortunately the likes of the close in Airports get the luxury of having 7-10 CRJ/ERJ flights a day into ORD.....Can you kind of see why ORD is over constipated with air traffic.
USair used to fly direct but also nonstop from ORD - ERI. Even at one point when Erie was the home base of operations for the Old Jestream International (born as Vee Neal Airlines) before becoming Piedmont Commuter and moving their ops to DAY, used to fly Jetstream 31s from ERI to ORD, WAS LGA PIT PHL CLE DAY and other major cities like that...Yes, I said ERI-ORD on a J-31....
I have the schedule to prove it. But it is packed away with some other items.
I dont see that UA or AA would choose to serve this city. two CRJ/ERJ flights to ORD are not worth the effiort...Maybe 4 but certainly not just 2....

Access-Air



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User currently offlineATLBoiler From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Actually effective September 6th, DL is leaving ERI completely.

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 2):
Even at one point when Erie was the home base of operations for the Old Jestream International (born as Vee Neal Airlines)

The same Vee Neal that now runs Saab charters and an FBO at LBE? Interesting.

Also, UA/MQ don't serve ERI at all. I always found it interesting UA didn't, when they could run a Saab down to IAD is well.

Quoting ATLBoiler (Reply 3):
Actually effective September 6th, DL is leaving ERI completely.

That says alot, DL seems to run a CRJ to any strip long enough to handle one.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7563 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 4):
That says alot, DL seems to run a CRJ to any strip long enough to handle one.

For the pre-2007 DL yes, however come Sept 6th a few other CRJ markets go bye-bye.

ERI
BGM
ILG
MTH

There are a few more knocking on death's door too....where rumors of a withdrawl are pending
APF
HVN


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
There are a few more knocking on death's door too....where rumors of a withdrawl are pending
APF
HVN

HVN's been gone for quite a while. However, you can add Macon to your list of recently chopped airports for DL. Also, TUP and ACY are getting dangerously close.

As to the topic at hand, ERI could probably support ORD service, but it's just not important enough to justify the slots for AA/UA. As is now, I'm guessing many in ERI drive to CLE/BUF for Chicago flights. ERI might be a good Allegiant market.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 6):
ERI drive to CLE/BUF for Chicago flights.

Most people I know from Erie (and that's quite a few) typically go to PIT or CLE, not BUF.


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

Judging from how much mainline service is left at BUF, PIT, CLE compared to 7 year ago, I don't think the region is exactly booming with demand.... carriers might be safer sticking with the larger cities...


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User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

I'm surprised that DL is leaving this market. It does seem that UA and AE could reallocate some of their ORD slots from saturated markets in Illinois and Wisconsin.

ORD expansion will be a God send


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 8):
compared to 7 year ago, I don't think the region is exactly booming with demand....

Interesting you say that, yet PIT has their highest O&D levels ever.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7563 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Quoting KDCA (Reply 9):
I'm surprised that DL is leaving this market. It does seem that UA and AE could reallocate some of their ORD slots from saturated markets in Illinois and Wisconsin.

Also consider how airline hubs developed. Back in the days there was no such thing as an RJ. Markets that were large enough got mainline and cities that were smaller and reasonably close got turboprops. ERI at that time was a huge US (and their predeccesors) market, due to its proximity to PIT. NW too, due to the proximity of DTW. Same reason why you don't see US have any presence in small Midwestern cities.

Now with additional aircraft available airlines have been expanding the reach of their hubs. The biggest problem is that ORD is max'ed out and UA & AA put their aircraft where it makes the most sense for them financially and/or competitively. They have been entrenched in many of these midwestern markets out of ORD for years and generally fill these planes with ease, and have built up a strong amount of loyalty.

If AA & UA could both run ATL-style superhubs out of ORD, then you would probably see them in ERI. However, maybe not, as DL couldn't make ERI-ATL work, even with the enormous amount of connections available.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 10):
Interesting you say that, yet PIT has their highest O&D levels ever.

People have different prespectives on "growth"
Enplanements are up primarily to due to drop in overall air fares in the region where US used to charge sky high fares.
Population & economic growth are no where near the rising levels that of the Southeast & Southwestern parts of the USA.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
However, maybe not, as DL couldn't make ERI-ATL work, even with the enormous amount of connections available.

Weren't the CRJ's taking restrictions out of Erie in the summer (and winter with the incessant snowfalls up there) on their relatively long voyage to ATL. They don't have the longest runways up there.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 12):
Weren't the CRJ's taking restrictions out of Erie in the summer (and winter with the incessant snowfalls up there) on their relatively long voyage to ATL. They don't have the longest runways up there.

Runway length was cited as part of the reason for DL's departure. ERI's primary runway is 6500 ft which isn't too bad, but given the relatively poor runway performance of the CRJ and the length of the flight, apparently it was taking restrictions frequently.

DL originally offered ERI-CVG 3x daily, but those flights got dropped as the CVG hub was "right-sized".


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