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Real Close-up 787 PAX Window Pics  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5803 posts, RR: 47
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 21352 times:

Last night IAD787 posted three pictures on his blog. I can't post them here due to copyright stuff. However, they are pictures are of the REAL 787 windows. According to his blog, these are the actual window frames going on Dreamliner Two made by Alenia.

This should put the "are they really larger debate?" to rest once and for all. The pictures illustrate the actual measurements of the windows because there is a tape measure right in the photograph!

ALSO, there's a picture of the inside of the center fuselage for Dreamliner Two being worked on in Charleston.

Pictures are Here:
http://flightblogger.blogspot.com

[Edited 2007-08-15 16:46:45]


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User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 21199 times:

Thank God, I'm so sick of the 787 window threads.

YES, they are BIGGER. Here is the proof.

The D2 fuse pic is really cool actually. Good to hear they're installing ductwork and such before the unit gets to Boeing.


User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 21171 times:

Awesome! I can't wait to get a window seat on one of these birds.

User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 21092 times:

How large are they compared to DC10/MD11 windows. Those suckers were HUGE!

User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 20842 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Last night IAD787 posted three pictures on his blog. I can't post them here due to copyright stuff. However, they are pictures are of the REAL 787 windows. According to his blog, these are the actual window frames going on Dreamliner Two made by Alenia.

Are you suggesting the window frames installed on Drealiner One were fake?  Wink  Wink  Wink  Wink  Wink

Thanks for the update.


User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 20682 times:

One important item to report: Dreamliner One power on is happening in the next 10 days.


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User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 20621 times:

So the common wisdom was its 6 weeks from power on to first flight, right? Aug 25 + 6W is Oct 6.

User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20594 times:

Quoting SirOmega (Reply 6):
So the common wisdom was its 6 weeks from power on to first flight, right? Aug 25 + 6W is Oct 6.

The date certainly sounds feasible, but 4-6 weeks is a perception created here on a.net.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27341 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20455 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
This should put the "are they really larger debate?" to rest once and for all. The pictures illustrate the actual measurements of the windows because there is a tape measure right in the photograph!

Tell me do you know what the size of the windows are on the E70 ??? I though they were quite big and last weekend when I was on one I remember thinking the 787's windows are going to be even bigger.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5803 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20355 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
Tell me do you know what the size of the windows are on the E70 ???

Unfortunately I don't know what the size of the windows are on the E70 (haven't dlown on one yet).



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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20340 times:

Anyone know how they compare to the windows on the HS748? On those units the spacing is crap, but the size of the windows is awesome...


CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineCarls From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19890 times:

I hope after they turn it on, they can fly it soon.

User currently offlineFlyABR From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19828 times:

hope these bigger windows migrate to all future planes! i really hate having to scrunch down to see out the damn things when i'm flying...especially on those gawd aweful CRJs!

User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17259 times:

The pictures won't load for me.  Sad Anyone else have this problem?

User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17124 times:
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Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 13):
The pictures won't load for me. Sad Anyone else have this problem?

Same here. Did anyone save them that's willing to share?


User currently offlinePmurr From Fiji, joined Mar 2005, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17084 times:

I cant load the pictures either. Dont know what the problem is.

User currently offlineKDTWFlyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 835 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 16790 times:

Well, I found a link to PPG who is making the electronically dimmable systems for the 787. There is a picture of the window and it seems huge.



http://corporateportal.ppg.com/PPG/

[Edited 2007-08-15 21:47:46]


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User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 16749 times:

Working to fix the problem right now.

UPDATE:

My webhost host posted this:
We are currently experiencing some networking difficulties which is causing parts of our network to be inaccessible. This is affecting everyone in a random manner.

-----

Way to go guys... :-P

[Edited 2007-08-15 22:22:50]


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15024 times:

Did we crash your system? Sorry........  Wink


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User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14159 times:

BACK IN BUSINESS - Enjoy!

This is a temporary fix for now, but it's working again.



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14076 times:

Excellent!

That's the kind of window someone would get sucked out of. That would...suck.


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13887 times:

Quoting KDTWFlyer (Reply 16):
Well, I found a link to PPG who is making the electronically dimmable systems for the 787. There is a picture of the window and it seems huge.

While the window is large (very nice and....) I also like the perceptive stuff they do around it to make it look even bigger. The PPG is a perfect example, the smooth "opening curve" that leads from the window, the large oval definition line surrounding the whole thing. Be curious to see what the actual airline interiors do with this. The way the PPG pics shows it you could have a window ledge if you wanted but I suspect the real interiors will have the typical plastic protective insert that sits nearly flush with the passenger space.

Tug



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13030 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3):
How large are they compared to DC10/MD11 windows. Those suckers were HUGE!

I've been curious about that myself. I would guess they're about the same size. The windows on the DC-10/MD-11 seemed to make those types feel more spacious than they were. I always thought L1011 windows, which must have been at least a couple of inches smaller, especially in height, than those on the DC-10, were hard to see out of. They also seemed to be mounted a little too high on the fuselage compared to the DC-10/MD-11.

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 10):
Anyone know how they compare to the windows on the HS748? On those units the spacing is crap, but the size of the windows is awesome...

I think HS748 windows (and those on the F-27) were a little smaller than the similar oval-shaped windows on the Vickers Viscount (and Vanguard) which probably still set a record for large airliner windows. If memory correct they were 26" x 19" at their tallest/widest, so big the emergency exits were just the windows themselves as they were big enough to climb through.


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11294 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
so big the emergency exits were just the windows themselves as they were big enough to climb through.

Now those are real windows eh! I know the 748 isn't that big, but now that I think about it the square-ish overwing exits really aren't more than an inch or two wider/taller than the window in them. A little off topic now, but my personal favourite feature is found on the Hawker - the combination emergency exit and cargo loading door in the lav. Nothing like having a quick pee before evacuating, and being one of the first out  Wink


CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2260 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10658 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):

This should put the "are they really larger debate?" to rest once and for all. The pictures illustrate the actual measurements of the windows because there is a tape measure right in the photograph!

Is there really anything new here? The measurements were already known for a long time, and the tape measure only confirms them.


Credit: Seattle Post Intelligencer

Note the Seattle PI's dimensions for the 777 windows are slightly off, probably to emphasize a point... This Flight article had them at 388 x 273 mm (15.3 x 10.7 inches), i.e. the same width as the 787 but 3.1 inches shorter. In summary:

787 windows are 10.7" x 18.4" spaced 24" apart
777 windows are 10.7" x 15.3" spaced 21" apart

So, compared to the 777, each window is ~20% larger, but there are 13% fewer of them for a given length of the window belt.

Quoting Tugger (Reply 21):
The PPG is a perfect example, the smooth "opening curve" that leads from the window, the large oval definition line surrounding the whole thing.

I have to ask, why did they use that pygmy dressed in pink? A person with a normal-sized head would have been appropriate to give a better sense of proportion.  Big grin



25 ScrubbsYWG : a bit dramatic, wouldn't you say? I can't wait to see these on an AC bird!
26 Post contains images Theredbaron : In the event of decompresion from a shatered window...those huge windows will take you out cleanly....
27 IAD787 : UPDATE: After speaking with several people in Everett it looks as though power on will not happen in the next 10 days despite a fervent effort to achi
28 Glareskin : The pink pygmy definitely looks better than the normal guy.... The seat belts are that weak in the 787?
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